Let's Take a Moment To Consider Lanedyr

[quote=AncientNecro]Got me a 6 game win streak going with Lanedyr in Normal Soloque. I know that doesn't matter to most of you, but normal is where I practice. I'm not always solo lane either - since there isn't always a jungler. I give a few more deaths away than I'd like, but I make up for it in pure pushing power. Usually around mid game the enemies simply run when they see me / try to avoid me. Some questions: -[b]What do you think?[/b] -[b]How do you play LaneDyr?[/b] (granted, you're not always solo top because there is not always a jungler in normal soloque :/) -[color=#ff0000][b]I don't want to hear shit about the jungle[/b][/color]. -[b]What interesting builds have you tried?[/b] -[b]Any sweet tricks/tips/plays?[/b] [b]And here are the item builds I've used for my last 6 wins. In addition, I've got Flat AD Reds, Armor Yellows, MR Blues, Flat AD Quints.[/b] From first win to most recent win (end of game build): (1) [[Heart of Gold]], [[Ninja Tabi]], [[Ionic Spark]], [[Madred's Bloodrazor]], [[Null-Magic Mantle]], [[Vampiric Scepter]] (2) [[Wriggle's Lantern]], [[Spirit Visage]], [[Mercury's Treads]], [[The Bloodthirster]], [[Trinity Force]], [[Chain Vest]] (3) [[Ninja Tabi]], [[Madred's Bloodrazor]], [[Wit's End]], [[Trinity Force]], [[Guinsoo's Rageblade]], [[Thornmail]] (4) [[Ninja Tabi]], [[Warmog's Armor]], [[Thornmail]], [[Atma's Impaler]], [[Phage]], [[Giant's Belt]] (5) [[Philosopher's Stone]], [[Ninja Tabi]], [[Randuin's Omen]], [[Wriggle's Lantern]], [[Warmog's Armor]], [[Phage]] (6) [[Wriggle's Lantern]], [[Berserker's Greaves]], [[Wit's End]], [[The Bloodthirster]], [[Spirit Visage]], [[Ionic Spark]] Thoughts?[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]I don't really like most of your item builds. :/[/quote]

[quote=AncientNecro][quote=Luther3000] I don't really like most of your item builds. :/ [/quote] I figured most people wouldn't :P If you can't tell, every build is a mix between wanting to experiment, and buying what I need to buy in order to properly counter the enemy team. You should hop into NA chat man :P[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]Only thing I like about any of the builds is Wriggles. You need the free ward honestly and it helps with Dragon/Baron when you start grouping.And, if you absolutely need to, it'll help you take double golems whenever you need to.[/quote]

[quote=Vort]Lanedyr is fairly viable. His early game can be a bit of a struggle against agressive lanes, however. And you pretty much never want to get a [[Madred's Bloodrazor]] that early -- and outside of the jungle. I also really dislike the [[Guinsoo's Rageblade]] pick. There are far better items for Udyr... always. So unlike jungle, i'd argue there are times to go Tiger Udyr, and times to go Phoenix Udyr when laning, that basically boil down to if you want to be pushing lanes and filling the role of an AoE off-tank or tank in fights (Phoenix), or if you want to be a single target bruiser (Tiger). With both setups in mind, i'd most likely open Cloth Armor and x5 Health Potions when facing physical damage, or Boots and x3 Health Potions when facing magic damage or skillshots. If i can get away with it on Phoenix Stance Udyr, I don't build a Wriggles (in jungle or lane), but on Tiger Stance, I'd pretty much always get one. Here are my rough builds for both stances (for lane), subject to slight order or item change depending on your needs in that game. Phoenix Stance: 1.[[Wit's End]] 2.[[Mercury's Treads]] 3.[[Sunfire Cape]] 4.[[Randuin's Omen]] 5.[[Force of Nature]] 6.[[Trinity Force]] Tiger Stance: 1.[[Wriggle's Lantern]] 2.[[Mercury's Treads]] 3.[[Trinity Force]] 4.[[Warmog's Armor]] 5.[[Atma's Impaler]] 6.[[Wit's End]] Hope you can pull some strand of usefulness out of all this![/quote]

[quote=AncientNecro]Thanks for all of the insight's / suggestions. I don't view Wriggle's nearly as important in normal games where 80% of the time there is not an enemy jungler. I do have a tendency to ward the belt for the team whenever i have the extra gold though. By the way im up to an 8 win streak. Still feeding and pushing like insanity. My in game name is the same if you'd like to verify ^_^ here are the most recent 2 builds: (7) [[Ninja Tabi]], [[Thornmail]], [[Force of Nature]], [[Warmog's]] (8) [[Bloodthirster]], [[Mercury's Treads]], [[Randuin's Omen]], [[Wit's End]], [[Warmog's Armor]], [[Giant's Belt]] I should mention that I'm still working my way up after a hugeeee ELO fail by my brother. I'm not sure if he played any normal games or not, but if he did, that could be a majorly contributing factor to my overly frequent wins in normal. These builds could be shit! I think a lot of the wins may have to do with morale strategy in game. I always try to be funny and helpful towards my team. Also, when you are laning Udyr and B into a mid gank, their mid almost 100% of the time will cuss the lane for no MIA. If you can do this 2-3 times early, trollishly, and successfully (whether you die in the process or not)... it's a pretty good team breaker.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000][quote=Vort] Phoenix Stance: 1.[[Wit's End]] 2.[[Mercury's Treads]] 3.[[Sunfire Cape]] 4.[[Randuin's Omen]] 5.[[Force of Nature]] 6.[[Trinity Force]] Tiger Stance: 1.[[Wriggle's Lantern]] 2.[[Mercury's Treads]] 3.[[Trinity Force]] 4.[[Warmog's Armor]] 5.[[Atma's Impaler]] 6.[[Wit's End] [/quote] These builds seem okay, or at least better than Necro's. I've never tried atmogs on Udyr but I guess it should work fine.[/quote]

[quote=Atarios]I find the builds weirdish , but lanedyr at top bursts heaps with tiger.[/quote]

[quote=Kramis]I do really well in solo que 1700+ with boots>4hp pots, 2 dorians blade > phage > atmas> armor or mr depending on team and stats > i usally get a kind gem pretty early. then upgrade phage to trinity or frozen > if u are against a really agressive laner top i sometimes build wriggle or if we are gonna go a fast baron. max tiger and some points in E>W depending on lane. and actually blood thirster really is kinda good , if u are doing really well i can sometime consider bloodthister after page and some mr/armor.[/quote]

[quote=Embracing]With Phoenix you go full on tanky with Wit's End and / or maybe one or two more offensive items, but rarely. With Tiger you go a standard offtank build with AD items. (Wriggles, Warmogs, Atma's, etc etc possible list of items go on) P.S. Ionic is good on Phoenix Udyr I heard.[/quote]