So lets talk shaco.

[quote=Pølsemanden]So i recently picked up the guy who brought mé to gold. Shaco. Does Mobafire have Any good shaco players? More important do you know some good item builds? I ran: 6arpen marks, 3 ad marks 9 armor seals 9 mr/lvl glyphs Lifesteal quints 21/0/9 Ghost/smite Doran's blade, as boots, madred's, zeal, phage, triforce. (at this point i was so far ahead)tbc, big madred and GA[/quote]

[quote=Sanguined]I don't get any arpen, as his shiv is magic dmg but scales with ad. So I'd say full ad marks and quints. I don't like lifesteal, because he's mainly for ganking. I tend to get either exhaust or ignite instead of ghost. Which i get depends on what my top lane has, if they have ignite i get exhaust, visa versa. I like ensuring fb with shaco after the double buff grab. I start boots 3 pots to help that too, and rush sheen or phage (sheen if i get good ganks early, phage if not) and try to get triforce at around 20min. Fitting in a razor but not a wriggles in between. It makes a very hit and miss game, it's all dependant on my success in the early ganks, but hella full for it. It's mostly been hit :)[/quote]

[quote=The Overmyynd]Shaco works on his crits and high initial damage along with his slow to make good ganks. Agreed with nixing the lifesteal and arpen, go straight AD. Exhaust is a much better ganking tool than ghost. Good build includes: [[boots of swiftness]] [[wriggle's lantern]] (good for early farming and INFINITE WARDS) [[trinity force]] [[infinity edge]] [[bloodthirster]] [[frozen mallet]] [[atma's impaler]] to replace the wiggles late game OR Some people run AP shaco for higher burst. In this build, a lich bane is ESSENTIAL. [[sorcerer's shoes]] [[lich bane]] [[rod of ages]] [[rabadon's deathcap]] [[deathfire grasp]] [[abyssal scepter]] The really big differences here are in the boxes and clone. number 1, the boxes hit for a FUCK TON if you run AP. The clone, however, isnt quite as cut and dry. For AD shaco, the clone's basic attacks deal good damage, but his explosion is nearly totally negligible. However, if you run AP shaco, the basic attacks arent really good for much, but the explosion is DEVASTATING. In AP shaco, if you have a lich bane, 3 of his 4 abilities have a 1:1 AP ratio. Thats STUPID. Either way works, it all depends on how you like to run your shaco.[/quote]

[quote=Mooninites]I hope you're not serious[/quote]

[quote=Pheyniex]i found interesting that you bought [[The Black Cleaver]] on the game you had with me. I know, you were fed, but you were dealing crazy damage =O[/quote]

[quote=Pølsemanden][quote=Pheyniex] i found interesting that you bought [[The Black Cleaver]] on the game you had with me. I know, you were fed, but you were dealing crazy damage =O [/quote] I was 14/1 by the time i got it and they didn't build any armor. -45 armor=0 armor on no armor ad-carry.[/quote]

[quote=tehAsian][quote=The Overmyynd] Shaco works on his crits and high initial damage along with his slow to make good ganks. Agreed with nixing the lifesteal and arpen, go straight AD. Exhaust is a much better ganking tool than ghost. Good build includes: [[boots of swiftness]] [[wriggle's lantern]] (good for early farming and INFINITE WARDS) [[trinity force]] [[infinity edge]] [[bloodthirster]] [[frozen mallet]] [[atma's impaler]] to replace the wiggles late game [/quote] Oh god no... Crits + high initial damage = squishy dead [[shaco]]. Glass cannon [[shaco]] is terrible, [[frozen mallet]] + [[atma's impaler]] + [[trinity force]] + low base health pool = bad and not viable. And [[boots of swiftness]]...I think you just went full derp. 15 AD, 13 Armor, and scaling MR runes are better, Shiv does magic damage and you scale well off total AD from Q anyway. For ganking [[ignite]] > [[exhaust]] > [[ghost]]/[[flash]]. Extra damage to SECURE(I really don't mean steal) kills is better as you already have a built-in 30% slow on E. Item build should be something like: [[boots of speed]] start (mobility and slow from red + E is real stronk) [[madred's razors]] for faster jungling [[heart of gold]] or [[wriggle's lantern]] here if fed [[boots of mobility]] for ganking [[heart of gold]]/[[wriggle's lantern]] Then you build completely situationally. I tend to build [[wit's end]] here mostly because I need MR and it bumps your jungle speed a bit through the wriggles proc. Also, AS helps [[shaco]] chase because his AA animation is fucking terrible >_> also why I build [[phage]] around here. Then I go [[trinity force]] if I don't need survivability, or [[frozen mallet]] + [[maw of malmortius]] + [[randuin's omen]] for bruiser [[shaco]]. Aura items are also pretty good. [[zeke's herald]], [[aegis of the legion]], etc. They add a bit of durability and pretty useful stats. [[guardian angel]] is great on [[shaco]] too, because you can go in, die, and by the time you revive Q will be off CD and you can jump out again. Annnnnnnnnnyway, [[shaco]] has a lot of viable build paths, there's not really anything that's 'best' :P[/quote]

[quote=JEFFY40HANDS]Shaco can be fun, but his damage is lack luster....All the enemy team needs is a tanky bruiser or solid CC and you're basically fucked. Even amazing Shaco players can't outplay pure durability built into kits with amazing damage output. He's extremely hard to place, he dies in team fights easily., what he can provide is very strong ganks. Even after they nerfed his JiTB to shit.[/quote]

[quote=Phever]Who do you play against? Shaco is one of the worst late game even fed. Hes just not a viable choice to put in a team comp. I mean a maokai jungle vs a shaco jungle, the team with the maokai will win crazy late game if they just farm. Shaco is like master yi. only good for backdooring.[/quote]

[quote=Pølsemanden][URL=http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/833/shacof.jpg/][IMG]http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/8592/shacof.jpg[/IMG][/URL] yeap, what a useless character only 3rd highest winrate overall on platinum. we really need more solid team comps up there.[/quote]