Anyone having success with Kayle ?

[quote=alexvsevil]I've been building her AD and typically going Berserker Greaves / 2x Doran's Blade / Infinity Edge / Phantom Dancer / Frozen Mallet. I'm definitely having some difficulty and while I'm sure a lot of it has to do with my skill (ie little to none) I was wondering if maybe other people have had more success with other builds, and that I might have a slightly better record if I switch it up a bit. It's a miserable trip from level 24 to level 30, getting like 70 exp per 40 minute PVP match losing all the time being trolled by teammates being called a noob by enemies etc... :B[/quote]

[quote=Embracing]Kayle top is good I recommend going full-on ad carry build tho Zerk+doubledorans+ie+pd+lw+ga+bt[/quote]

[quote=alexvsevil]What about runes/masteries? standard 21/9/0? my runes right now are attack speed, armor per level, magic resist, and move speed quints. not sure if flat AD would be significantly better? any general pvp tips? ive found that i have to ward myself pretty often which slows down my purchases and makes me just absolute garbage mid game. in mid game i want to farm so that i really shine late game, but if i try to farm top after the turret's down, i get ganked. if i try to get into teamfights i get focuses even when i try to hang behind the tanks. if i try to farm the jungle i get yelled at for stealing creeps. xD[/quote]

[quote=bsurma][quote=alexvsevil] What about runes/masteries? standard 21/9/0? my runes right now are attack speed, armor per level, magic resist, and move speed quints. not sure if flat AD would be significantly better? any general pvp tips? ive found that i have to ward myself pretty often which slows down my purchases and makes me just absolute garbage mid game. in mid game i want to farm so that i really shine late game, but if i try to farm top after the turret's down, i get ganked. if i try to get into teamfights i get focuses even when i try to hang behind the tanks. if i try to farm the jungle i get yelled at for stealing creeps. xD [/quote] 21/9/0 is fine. Flat AD/armor pen marks and AD quints would do better on [[kayle]] top. Also, your seals should be flat armor, too. Considering your question, your goal is to build the advantage early-game. [[kayle]] is usually picked for top as a counterpick. Put her against [[darius]], [[tryndamere]] or any champion that is susceptible to kiting and you'll see what I mean. Harass and kite a lot with your [[reckoning]] + [[righteous fury]] combo and farm up for mid-late game. Also, [[intervention]] really helps in troublesome situations like stubborn gankers. You can also use it to mitigate most of the damage that comes onto you. This way, you can deal with the most important targets more quickly. Don't know about you, but [[kayle]] is not a toplaner that is easy to gank. And also, I don't believe [[sight ward]]s can slow you down so hard. Maybe you just buy too much of them or you're forced to buy it, I don't know. Either way, [[kayle]] does really fine. One of the most reliable sources of DPS for top. Squishy, but scary.[/quote]

[quote=alexvsevil]What's the difference between sight wards and vision wards besides cost? I was under the impression that Sight Wards don't show you when an enemy is in a bush, while vision wards do. Or does vision ward show enemies in bushes, just not enemies who are stealthed? I just realized I bought the wrong armor runes, haha there goes all the IP ive saved up >.<[/quote]

[quote=bsurma][quote=alexvsevil] What's the difference between sight wards and vision wards besides cost? I was under the impression that Sight Wards don't show you when an enemy is in a bush, while vision wards do. Or does vision ward show enemies in bushes, just not enemies who are stealthed? I just realized I bought the wrong armor runes, haha there goes all the IP ive saved up >.< [/quote] When placed in a bush, [[sight ward]] reveals all the enemies that are located in it and the surroundings. [[vision ward]] is used for characters with stealth like [[twitch]], [[evelynn]] or [[shaco]]. You cannot see them with [[sight ward]]s if they are using their stealth ability. They also reveal other [[sight ward]]s and [[vision ward]]s. Hope this helped :)[/quote]

[quote=alexvsevil]Yeah that answered it perfectly thanks ^^[/quote]

[quote=Berzerk]Kayle is strong, just need to know when to use your skills In a fight.[/quote]

[quote=alexvsevil][quote=Berzerk] Kayle is strong, just need to know when to use your skills In a fight. [/quote] could you give me some examples? i try to use my slow on enemies who are chasing or trying to escape, my speed boost to evade ganks or give my allies a bit of hp to survive that one last turret blast, or ult whichever carry is being focused right as that Darius jumps to do that ult...my timing isn't perfect and my knowledge of every skill ability isn't either but I think I do ok ^^[/quote]

[quote=Jpikachu1999]Generally you want to use your [[Reckoning]] on who you are going to focus. 10% extra damage is really strong. Your ult can be used in the way you described, but it's better to use it as a whole bunch of people start focusing one of your team members. That way, you absorb a lot of the damage, and turn the teamfight around really easily. You probably want to use your heal to help the initiator on your team actually initiate. Sometimes it's hard to get to a certain spot fast enough, so your speed boost will be incredibly helpful. Just a few things that came to my mind.[/quote]