Ask a Diamond [Week 1: Bot lane]

[quote=Nyara]Oh, neat, it will be of use, thanks! I will try to ward the respective buff and keep a sharp eye on the jungler: I don't now where he may be? *Ping ?* "Hey ADC, jungler may be near, let the lane be pushed a while", I know where is he and the mid laner? I go to ward deep. About the predirect and usual ganks times I did know them already, though sometimes the enemy laners doesn't react like on a Pantheon's ultimate and stuff or when they react it were sometimes too late.[/quote]

[quote=Embracing]@Nyara: Always play under the mindset that there potentially might be a gank when you're pushing hard. Especially if you're against champs like Panth or Noc, you should know beforehand that they have long-reach ganks, and that your lane might be a target of their gank if they haven't appeared anywhere else on the map.[/quote]

[quote=Nyara]So it's pretty much the same as playing against an [[Evelynn]]? Now I think about it [[Evelynn]]'s perma cloak is also a sort of long-reach gap closer, too. That makes things clearest to me, then.[/quote]

[quote=xIchi]The difference is the reaction time pantheon and nocturne have. While you can easily predict the time eve will take when you spotted her, panth and noc can be around within a shorter time frame. In cases like this, they are more dangerous. Eve is only dangerous if you do not know her current position.[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard]If you're against a Nocturne or Pantheon post 6 and you know they're on the bottom side of the map (or you don't know where they are), I would not recommend pushing unless your [[flash]]es are up. Noc ult has a 3 minute cooldown at rank one, so he's not going to want to use it on targets with escape summoners still up. If you can make him waste an ultimate and get nothing out of it, that's a huge victory for your team. You should also probably ask your jungler to get deep wards when the panth/noc hits 6 because as a support, you probably can't roam and ward that deep. Also it's not a sure-fire way of preventing ganks, because both junglers can just walk up lane and ult, but you might have a better idea of when it's unsafe to position aggressively.[/quote]