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Analysis for a Lane Swap on Purple Side of Summoner's Rift
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Analysis for a Lane Swap on Purple Side of Summoner's Rift
Coming back to the guide and reading it through again I was wondering about the problems of trying this on blue side... I think I have a solution, or several...
A) You can pick a strong early game team and just invade / ward Purple team's blue and get it for your AP Carry.
B) You can just use a champion that does not use mana, ie. Zed, Katarina, Tryndamere, Renekton (I have personally won 1v2 lanes as Renekton against ranged), Rumble, Nidalee (cat form for mobility, use mana from human form for sustain and warding spells), Mordekaiser, etc. I know that some of these would not work, I was just making examples of champions that are not blue dependent.
You could get the ap carry the purple team's blue immediately, but this only helps them in the early game. So your team would have to invade consistently in order to get them the blue buff, which would be difficult if you are not easily winning the game.
Using a manaless champ solves this, but this limits the number of champions you can pick while if you were on the purple side, you would have more champion options
A) You can pick a strong early game team and just invade / ward Purple team's blue and get it for your AP Carry.
B) You can just use a champion that does not use mana, ie. Zed, Katarina, Tryndamere, Renekton (I have personally won 1v2 lanes as Renekton against ranged), Rumble, Nidalee (cat form for mobility, use mana from human form for sustain and warding spells), Mordekaiser, etc. I know that some of these would not work, I was just making examples of champions that are not blue dependent.
Rofl. Kass can 2v1? np. Sure you can stick your adc and support mid, but it won't stop most mid champs from farming, and they WILL outlevel you guys eventually. The reason adc/support mid sucks is because the only midlaner that can MAYBE handle a 2v1 bottom is vladimir, and he's guaranteed to lose his tower well before 10 minutes. You can zone me all you want, once I hit level 5 with morgana, I'm going to get plenty of farm. Also, if this strat happened, I'd probably send my support mid if our adc has good mobility.
You are contradicting yourself man. You said that Vladimir is the only midlaner that can 2v1 a bot lane, then you said you could get plenty of farm as Morgana in a 2v1 bot lane.
This is just a simple lane swap strategy.
You wrote way too much on general concepts.
If you want to actually make this better list out the pros and cons and you're done. You definitely overwrote this.
I'm just saying, the solo lane will almost always get towerdived at early levels, and the solo lane towers will get pushed down leaving for general disadvantages.
You're right Embracing, this is just a simple lane swap guide and yes I did overexplain a little but I have my reasons. If I were to just post a list of all the pros and cons of the strategy and just that, then people would quickly vote down or argue against why this strategy doesn't work because they wouldn't know WHY the strategy would work. I needed to explain the strategy out more because people become more receptive to this strategy when it is explained with logic.
Also, the solo lane might be tower dived and the solo lane tower will be pushed but the enemy solo laner can be tower dove as well and enemy solo mid tower can be pushed as well. In the end, your team might lose bot tower/bot lane but you will gain mid tower/mid lane and more map control than the other team does.
I will probably work on a pros and cons list as well.
interesting.... you might want to specify that your junlger be strong around lv6 if they lane swap. if they lane swap their apc will most likely try and steal blue expecially with their supports new acceccability to blue. also the 2v2mid would screw with the tactics of alot of supports who normally camp in the bush(thresh,blitz,nidalee,etc) and a few adc. doubt it will rock the meta because it requires draft due to the shear number of mid laners that either dont need blue or can handle a 2 v 1 lane. Also note that if they dont swap lanes the support better have good reaction speed. A good apc can burst down your adc in the blink of an eye leaving little time for the support to cc stop them or heal the adc. support champions are either usually suishy heal with poke (several dont even ave hard cc) or tanky with alot of cc. The squishies need to worry about being burst down while the alot of the tanky have a delay on their cc (thresh, leona,etc). It would be interesting to see how laning agianst a burst mage effected the adc builds. Would they start using Quicksivler sash or merc? Perhaps grab some hp or a null magic.
Your apc would also have to make some agustments. He would level slower, have less gold, and be more suceptable to ganks. His build and character would change accordingly. He would have to have no less than 3 of the following;built in sustain, high base damages, ability to farm easily, and a good excape. Things like chalice would be less prominent and they might start grabbing maybe and early chain vest. Thats the beautiful thing about ideas. They make way for a slew of new ones.
Also why did you choose valentines day to post this?
1. Good point about the junglers
2. Yes a good apc can burst down the adc or the support but one of the reasons to have a 2v1 mid is to deny the apc. If the apc is not denied and is able to level up along with the adc then this strategy is not being used to its max effectiveness.
3. It would be interesting to see what new builds occur if people try to counter this.
4. This strategy most definitely works best in draft.
5. I uploaded this guide in october last year. I updated the guide on valentines day because I noticed the guide had become "fresh"
You wrote way too much on general concepts.
If you want to actually make this better list out the pros and cons and you're done. You definitely overwrote this.
I'm just saying, the solo lane will almost always get towerdived at early levels, and the solo lane towers will get pushed down leaving for general disadvantages.
Your apc would also have to make some agustments. He would level slower, have less gold, and be more suceptable to ganks. His build and character would change accordingly. He would have to have no less than 3 of the following;built in sustain, high base damages, ability to farm easily, and a good excape. Things like chalice would be less prominent and they might start grabbing maybe and early chain vest. Thats the beautiful thing about ideas. They make way for a slew of new ones.
Also why did you choose valentines day to post this?
I think the idea of this guide is interesting.
I will show it some friends and if your idea convinces them, we will try it out and give you some feedback. Actually I'm quite sure there's a catch, otherwise it would be a well known strategy I guess.
lFatality
I'm glad you are trying the guide and I'm glad you might give me some feedback. I've had little feedback that is from experience from using this strategy so I'll be very glad if you actually send me a message about it.
To be honest, I think this strategy is not in circulation because everyone is a little scared to go against the meta or to risk the ap caster to become underleveled. I'm pretty sure very few people want to play as the caster in the 2v1 lane which is a valid fear.
But if you do find a catch, PLEASE tell me because I want to improve this strategy even more.
I will show it some friends and if your idea convinces them, we will try it out and give you some feedback. Actually I'm quite sure there's a catch, otherwise it would be a well known strategy I guess.
lFatality
This is really interesting! It looks good to me, and I can't wait to try it with my friends :) +1
Consider enabling force comment so you can see what people who vote are thinking when they vote.
Also consider adding some lists of champions that work for certain lanes and pairings, and examples of team compositions to play this against.
I'm glad you like the guide and I'm glad you commented about the guide.
I'm working on adding the lists of champions who work well for bot lane, right now and I might add a section on team comps to play this against. However, like I said in the guide, I don't have a lot of free time so a section like that will take a while to make.
If you or anyone else could try out this strategy and message me about team comps this works well against, then that would speed up the creation of that section
I'm not going to force people to comment in order to vote because I feel that discourages people from commenting and I would like to have everyone's honest opinion about my guide
Consider enabling force comment so you can see what people who vote are thinking when they vote.
Also consider adding some lists of champions that work for certain lanes and pairings, and examples of team compositions to play this against.