and note to bengaeb that i am NOT insulting you or attacking you in any way. I appreciate you giving me your thoughts and not down voting it when you haven't tried. I really do. I also noticed i forgot to answer the volley question. What i meant by sudden burst is before your phantoms dancers. After having two phantom dancers, volley won't be needed anymore because your damage output with basic attacks is higher than you using your volley.

And "note that i didn't mention how to fight fast enemies", you have frost arrows and two phantom dancers, how can you not fight a fast enemy? If by the time you read that line you haven't noticed how, you really do deserve a facepalm.

Ok i'm sorry, maybe i used the wrong term. What i meant was at least try it out once or twice before voting? By looking at just the items, masteries and runes then immediately voting my guide down, that isn't exactly fair is it? If you want to down vote it after you have tried this once or twice, i'll just say ok i'm sorry it didn't work out and thanks. I'm not trying to make my guide look good, i'm just asking that you at least try and not vote my guide down just for the sake of voting. I spent nights on this. I believe the voting is after you have tried it once or twice and it doesn't work out then you come back to give your feedback,vise versa for when it works out. So i hope i am not leaving any wrong ideas in my previous posts.

Master your build before it should be voted on. I believe you want to put your guide in favorable light in such case, it may be given a number of games but master - it's a guide - not a definite way to play ASHE.

You put your thoughts on the table, if you want positive review your guide should reflect it, it must be made desirable and believable.

"Note that I didn't mention how to fight fast enemies, if you haven't figured it by now, you deserve a facepalm from the world.". Mobafire my good author caters to all players with varying skill levels and playstyle.

My earlier opinion on your build stands - it requires exemplary kiting skills, positioning and map awareness, a PD>PD>IE item progression means it lacks damage per hit, to dish out lot of dmg mean a lot of stationary autoattacks (move and you may lose ASPD, unless the user is so leet his aspd is not affected by movement), not a glass canon but a more of a light machine gun and i play ASHE more like a designated marksman on a battle rifle.

you say you use volley as a sudden burst of damage yet you leave it at one coupled that with 2 PD's that is more like a utility/support skill than a source of damage in early to mid game.

600 range means your tied with anivia at zilean but below Annie, Caitlyn, Tristana, Kog'Maw and Twitch. 600 is not decent nor above average its like TOP 6 - give it some decent damage and the AA Poke could be free from counters.

"Once you hit level 7, other skills like Volley and Frost Shot starts to be more useful than Volley" this contradicts itself, Volley cannot be possibly greater than itself. You start to level volley when it starts to fall off it damage effectiveness (its also the time of the game where volley hurts AA sustained damage - the player must make a choice for a utility shot or sustained focus fire).

Does a build truly have to be mastered before it should be voted on? That's not to say that a specific build does or does not work, it's solely dependent on the player and their playstyle. If someone uses the build and doesn't like it because it doesn't work for them personally, they'll downvote and explain why they didn't like it. If I use a build that's completely against my playstyle, I'm not going to put days into using the same build to try to "master" it just so I can give a +1 when it finally starts working for me.

Mobafire and building guides is not about fairness. I'm sorry that you feel it's not fair that a lot of voters are not liking your build/guide. I've had a lot less success with my guide than I was hoping for, but it's just a guide. If people don't like it, that's okay. Because it works for me, and that's really all that matters, in my opinion.

Don't worry, I'm not downvoting, but I'm not upvoting either. Keep up the good work.

I said "with people insulting you" in one of the comments, you must've missed that.

And it's not that my build isn't optimal, it is, you're just not skilled enough to pull it off. So don't say my build isn't optimal. Don't talk about my build as if it was bad when you haven't even tried it or mastered it yet.

Yeah of course it's nothing personal, I don't even know you. It's just that you're down voting before mastering my build. How is that fair to me?

I did. I made 3, in fact, with 3 more on the way.

Look man, you're taking this all as a personal attack, and it's not. Your build is just not optimal. Nothing personal.

And thank you to stig3000 :)

We'll see your noob *** run from gap closers with no boots ok? The "zombie hand" you call zombie hand has name, Madred's Bloodrazor, I said it's used in a situation where you're up against tanks with Thornmail. Read the ****ing guide and don't down vote with just one glance at items runes and masteries. We'll also see you try hard to kill a tank with thornmail and 300 armor when you buy a Last Whisper. Don't be a loser and read the guide before commenting please.

Dude 2 phantom and boots drop those boots and that zombie hand and use 1 more blodthirster and 1 whisper
-Peace H4rd2kill

Good :)

Just a few points for you to think about. Firstly, you don't have to go all out dmg just because you are trying to make it glass-cannon, you can still get defensive seals and glyphs which will help so much more. You will definitely be getting targeted by assassins so those defensive runes help.

Why do you get madred's? I understand you can kill those HP stacking tanks fast, but you have no magic pen, so if they just get some, your madred will not be as effective as a last whisper.

Other than that I feel this is a nice glass-cannon build and mostly follow it.
If you can rebut the above statements I'll +1 for you. :)