Graves Build Guide by Robo Ninja Monky

i like your guide, its very good, but i would like to see in the section of suports talking about Karma, one of the best suports if well played

In the support section i have some concerns.I have to agree that Leona is a gr8 laning partner(i preffer her too cause of her passive and 3 stunns-including ulti) but soraka is a weak support nowadays.I mean there are the bruisers like nautilius,blitz,leona,alistar(cc king xD) who in my opinion are better than sona or soraka.Soraka gives u sustain but she cant set kills..while those i mentioned above have tons of cc setting kills over and over again.Except this part of the guide everything is ok.

Good for you. "In my opinion". Also, Soraka is amazing for Graves because she allows him to spam his burst skills while continuously gaining mana besides the over-healing.

I didn't say that soraka is a bad suport.She offers the biggest sustain in this game.But the new meta focus more on tanky supports.It s the only thing dat i mean.Besides if u focus soraka in the first 4-5 lvls she can be easily zoned out or killed or getting oom.If u re laning with a soraka u re main concern should be farming and harassing, relying on your jungler to set up ganks, while laning with leona for instance, u re partner(leona) can set up ganks as long as she has 200 hp.

Hi, im Realmrider. I voted 1-, but I can't leave you w/o any explanations, right?

First of all, I really need to know what summoner level are you?
-Why do you take Ignite, since Graves has no sustain w/o lifesteal/decent support? The ONLY AD Carry that could use Ignite would definitely be Tristana, but no one else. Switch Ignite with Cleanse or Heal, and I may change my vote already.
-In your main cheet sheet, you start with Doran's Blade but still go 21-9-0. That's not really a great idea, considering you already get enough sustain from the blade. 21-9-0 would be a good idea if you recommend a start with boots & pots. Otherwise, go 21-0-9 for either manareg or movement speed.
-You take Vampiric Scepter after you buy Berserker's Greaves AND Infinity Edge? What's gonna be your sustain source?
-Dude, you use soo much colour, couldnt you just do it w/o all of the columns, paint and stuff?

What a cry baby you are....you are also CLUELESS, lmao. You ask what summoner level I am...what level are you kiddo...you are wrong on so many levels.

1. Since the nerfs to Heal, Ignite is the better choice. Heal is now shifting out of favor, cleanse is only a good replacement if the enemy team has a ton of CC or if you are against a heavy cc lane yourself. I have alternative choices displaying this fact as well, so obviously you didn't read the whole guide, you're a troll.

2. "In your main cheet sheet", first off, it;s "cheat" not "cheet", l2spell -.-. Second of all, The cheat sheet only includes one of the multiple choices of starts I include in my items section, this is because the cheat sheet can only have one path...DERP, read the guide you failure troll, not just the cheat sheet.

3. Yes, that is the only sustain you take until much later in the game, this is because you are a ranged ad carry and not a bruiser or something of some other sort. Your job is to be proteted by your team and dish the most damage you can from safe positions, if you knew this, or practiced this, you would know that you do NOT need more sustain than a Vampiric Scepter until later in the game. L2p buddy ;)


4. Hating on the color of the guide? Lol, that's just a pathetic excuse to rage because you have some stigma against beautiful guides, go to hell, I don't give a ****. You're just another dumb MOBAfire idiot troll =) keep your -1 and enjoy everyone seeing your comment and seeing how truly clueless you really are about the mechanics of this game ;)

Hi, it's me again here to reply your comment.
1. Don't call me a cry baby =) I realized some things, and I just got it why MOBAFire has such an awful community. Its full of immature people that are flaming the other users for being extrovert and honest. And im stopping to vote up on purpose to gain reputation.

2. No one uses Ignite on AD Carries, and so me neither. It's just too bad, most carries have no sustain at ALL without some defensive items. You have none except for Guardian Angel which you buy too late in the game. And what should you protect yourself with in midgame teamfights? Maybe with Ignite? Or perhaps with a Guardian Angel, the last item you purchase? You're playing a weird metagame.

3. I apologise for my grammar, english is not my native language. And I cant menage to speak 4 languages perfectly at the same time. And buy some ****ing brain dude. I wrote that it's weird you start with 21-9-0 and a Doran's Blade. You will have no utility at all, because as you said, Graves is a slow *** hippo. So maybe start with boots and THEN go 21-9-0?

4. And i must ask if you were high when you wrote the 3rd paragraph. Sorry, shouldn't you buy a vamp scepter after a BF sword? I mean, you buy it after the item that costs four ****ing thousand. And you telling me to learn to play? im not even playing ad carries and yet i know that.

5. I didnt rage, nor i said that your guide is beautiful. Its just too much coloured, it burns the readers' eyes.

I definitely won't check your guide ever again just for flaming me hard. And lastly, try to master a champion and PARTLY the game before writing a guide. Remember, if i downvoted w/o any comments, then i'd be a troll. But i actually left you my thoughts, so i think you have no right/s to call me like that. Be sure to check out my Jarvan guide which ima release soon. You'll definitely learn a lot about coding, and how to actually make a good looking guide.

You yet again ignore the fact that you are picking parts of the guide and ignoring others in your comments. You are patehtic. Peace bro, not indluging your fantasized bs derived from idiocy and ignorance ;)

Man this RealmriderX1 guy is obviously so jealous LOL, poor guy =/

Uh, why would i be? :) I just dont agree with the fact that this is the 1# graves guide.