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Heimerdinger Build Guide by Thulfe

AP Carry Heimerdinger: The immortal (APC MID)

AP Carry Heimerdinger: The immortal (APC MID)

Updated on January 16, 2015
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Brian Hail (8) | February 13, 2015 9:48pm
Concerned with the lack of penetrating power. Sure you'd be able to stay alive throughout a fight, but you'd do virtually no damage to any champion should they decide to build magic resist.
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Rexy17 | January 18, 2015 6:11am
I only gave the mute example as a last resort. Since I've been playing, I think that I've only muted 2-3 players. It is really impressing that you changed the behaviour of some player, but not all of them are persuadable. It is also true that there can be no communication between muted people, therefore muting isn't the best option, but when you have to deal with close-minded people, well, it's better not really to mute them, but at least to ignore them.
About Yi: It is true that there is power in one champion, but you shouldn't judge a champ by the ammount of raw power or you will have to place Veigar & Nasus to top tier as they are the champs who can have the most damage. Yi has significant weaknesses as he can be counter-jungled in early, and any form of CC (except maybe slows) render him useless. He does scale well, but only in late-game. As a result, you will never see Yi played in higher tiers.
I only said the proximity thingy because you gave the example of 8/10 games which were a bad experience. It is true that I prefer playing premades of 2->5 which reduces the chances of getting "bad" players, but I've encountered them, and I acknowledge the existence and the abundance of them.
Glad you felt good about reading my post :)
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Thulfe | January 18, 2015 5:19am
Thank you good sir for such an answer!
I just don't think so higly of the constructive criticism. It's something purely personal. I understand it serves to help people get better at what they do, but... Well, it usually doesn't do as much as it intends to do.
About muting, well... I had some few chances of changing the opinion on a player and, instead of reporting, honoring them, for their behavior AFTER flaming. They just started being nice and all, and we even became friends. I can't do that if I mute them. Furthermore, I had the bad fortune of being reported for not keeping in contact with the team, just for muting them... I hate muting people, I want to be fully aware of what they say. Muting solves little, in my opinion.
You say there are no noobchamps, and I respect your point of view. I , personally, have no problem dealing with most of them, since I think I handle Heimer pretty well... However, it's highly unfair to put a teleport , a healing shield, and such a damage to one champion (Yi). Of course, if you handle him early on, he is not a problem (same as all of them). But that's not the point. It's just unfair that ONE champion gets SO MUCH POWER, whereas they nerf things that help other champions get to their level. It's like turning the tide in their favor.
I DID check jhoijhoi's guide while making this one.Very fun guide! The bad Karthus is hilarious!
And about the ending... Well, it's not that it happens in my proximity, it happens to everyone I know playing this game... So it IS a matter of the community, not an individual thing.
Nah, not at all! You didn't bore me! It is fun to read moderately large comments! Makes me feel happy and important at the same time! C:
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Rexy17 | January 18, 2015 1:56am
Firstly I would like to say that where there are no comments on a subject whatsoever, there will never be progress. This can be called constructive criticism and you should learn from it, not dismiss it. I also agree that pure criticism is bad and discouraging and will often not help you at all. But after you get past it, you may want to revise your point of view on the matter and where you get to question yourself, there will be progress. If you want to make a guide though you need to see many points of view from other players and maybe overlap them, combine them or come with something new. I don't believe you can make a comprehensive guide without consulting other opinions on the matter.
Secondly about toxic behaviour, I agree there are many players who are toxic and not fun to play with. I also agree that those matches are no fun at all. That's why Riot made the report and tribunal system. I also agree that those systems are not perfect and have room for much improvement, but they do at some extent their job. If you get reported many times for offensive language, let's say, the system they've implemented will check if the reports had some truth in them. If they find one case of offensive language/game or harrassement, the system will do it's job regardless if you had the right to harrass the player or not. Next, you can't possibly know the age, face, name of the player unless they give them to you and they can lie. Of course that you can determine the psychological age of them by just reading their behaviour and that can't be accurate.
What is more, it doesn't matter if you had less fault than the one you reported, the system doesn't measure the fault you had by comparison with others, even if you had just 1/1000 of the fault of the player who reported you, it was still a case of punishment for what you have been reported. My advice, to prevent future problems, if you don't like a player's behaviour just "Mute" him then report him in the end screen. Don't place wood on fire or you might burn yourself.
Last but not least, about "noob" champions & nerfs. Riot nerfs one champion/object when they think that they are too oppressing. If you don't agree with Riot, that's an individual problem. Players should adapt to changes, not deny them, curse them and so on. Now, there are no noob champions. I agree that there are some champions that are easier to play than others, but they have their weaknesses. Also, you will find huge differences in diamond players playing one champ or silver players playing that same one. If you don't know how to play against them, that's another individual problem. You must adapt to situations on every match-up. For example, if your opponent has killed you once, twice, you will never try to kill him again, you will poke, wait for opportunities and play defensive while also adapting your build to your situation (build resistances).
I will not comment the build in this form because I belive you already received the comments. I only suggest that if you wish to write further guides, you should check jhoijhoi's (or I believe that was the name) guide of how to make a guide :).
I will end by saying that is your choice wether you belong to a society or not, but you can't blame the whole society for some unfortunate events happening in your proximity.
Anyways, although my comment probably bored you (every reader) already and might not have helped at all, I still wish you all a good day :D.
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Thulfe | January 17, 2015 5:02pm
Shhh...
I do agree with most of the things you say, and I understand that it's my fault for calling this a "guide" instead of something else. Sure enough, I could've used a forum (had no idea of such a forum though). I don't need you to take me serious on this, it's of no use to me , whatsoever, anyways.
Games apart, and talking in a professional way, constructive criticism is often rather poor. And pure criticism is insulting. One must climb the stairs, the... "levels" , of one such community, by respect and personal standing and prowess... Not accepting criticism, even if it is meant to help. And why in the hell would I want to join such a toxic community? 8/10 of all the matches I've played were of terrible , unpolite players;the tribunal system is stupid, banning me for ONE report (in which, besides, I had far less fault than the one who actually reported me), but not punishing the most toxic players; there are many kids, with no respect towards their elders; many good champions and objects get "nerfed", but the terrible noobchamps (as an example, Yi, Katarina, Fizz, Darius, Blitz...) are always the same, they never get any changes...
Please do tell me WHY would I want to belong to such a society, when this is little more than a hobby...
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Vynertje (386) | January 16, 2015 7:38am
Meiyjhe wrote:

Then it is wise to put in your introduction that this isn't made to guide people, that it is just to show your build and discuss the content. You could also make a thread instead in the theorycrafting forum.

You do realise that silver is the second lowest tier out of 7 tiers total, right? Not saying that silver players are bad (as they are still better than the average player if I am correct), but there is still loads of room for improvement. Guides are meant to help out those who wish to climb further than where they currently are. That doesn't mean that silver guides can't write good guides btw. I know some really good silver guidewriters.


Quoted:

I actually AM lvl 30 , and in constant battle with silvers, and once smashed to pieces a golden Ahri. Sure enough, that proves nothing... Alas, this wasn't made to HELP people, just to see what they think of it.
Besides, why would a Silver player actually NEED a guide? If he/she is there, probably is because of experience. Therefore, I fail to see how any guide might help.


Bronze is the bottom 20%, silver the next 45%, so I'd say Silver 3 is the average ranked player. Surely though, Silver players still have A LOT to learn in this game so they will actually use guides.

In my opinion though the 'good' silver writers are more an exception to the rule. Most of them actually get to write good guides because they know to ask advice from 'better' players. That's a completely different debate though.

But yeah, if you just wish to see what people think of it, use theorycrafting forums. Guides are to help people, forums are for discussing.



Regardless, you saying you are "in constant battle with silvers" implies that you either only play normals (where people don't really play seriously) or somewhere in bronze 1 (playing against Silver V's). Else you would've said you are silver yourself. Hence I can't really take you seriously on this.

This is not to bully you away though, everyone has to make a start. However, you do need to learn to accept constructive criticism if you ever want to get somewhere in any community and the League/Mobafire community is no exception.
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Meiyjhe (538) | January 16, 2015 7:00am
Thulfe wrote:

I actually AM lvl 30 , and in constant battle with silvers, and once smashed to pieces a golden Ahri. Sure enough, that proves nothing... Alas, this wasn't made to HELP people, just to see what they think of it.
Then it is wise to put in your introduction that this isn't made to guide people, that it is just to show your build and discuss the content. You could also make a thread instead in the theorycrafting forum.

Quoted:
Besides, why would a Silver player actually NEED a guide? If he/she is there, probably is because of experience. Therefore, I fail to see how any guide might help.
You do realise that silver is the second lowest tier out of 7 tiers total, right? Not saying that silver players are bad (as they are still better than the average player if I am correct), but there is still loads of room for improvement. Guides are meant to help out those who wish to climb further than where they currently are. That doesn't mean that silver guides can't write good guides btw. I know some really good silver guidewriters.
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Thulfe | January 16, 2015 6:40am
I actually AM lvl 30 , and in constant battle with silvers, and once smashed to pieces a golden Ahri. Sure enough, that proves nothing... Alas, this wasn't made to HELP people, just to see what they think of it.
Besides, why would a Silver player actually NEED a guide? If he/she is there, probably is because of experience. Therefore, I fail to see how any guide might help.
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Vynertje (386) | January 16, 2015 5:43am
Of course it works for you, but that doesn't mean it is the most optimal way to play. For example, I can play one of my favourite champions Janna in two ways: supportive or transitioning into a mage. Now both ways will work for me, mostly because I'm very experienced on Janna just like you are on Heimerdinger, but also because enemies will not know how to capitalize on my weaknesses. Does that mean both ways are just as good? Not necessarily: in this case the supportive Janna is by far the best way to play her.

The better you get in this game, the more you'll realize that you need to adapt to the meta or you'll forever be stuck at lower ratings. As I said, the thing exists for a reason. I used to have a Heimerdinger guide too which I thought worked great, but the higher I climbed I noticed the tactics and builds I used just didn't work as well as they did at lower ratings.

And that is the problem. Of course you're allowed to share your own perspectives on a champion in a guide, but in the long run you are supposed to help people with with your guide. Helping in this case also means that you'll be giving them advice how to get better. Right now your advice may work for people below level 30 or at bronze ratings, but a silver player looking for Heimerdinger guides will really get ****ed for not picking flash, buying boots etc.

That is why I always advice people to AT LEAST get level 30 and get some experience in ranked before writing guides; just because you're writing a guide that needs to be of use for everyone up to silver, perhaps sometimes gold ratings. That is also why I downvoted your guide: it doesn't provide anything for players somewhat higher up the ladder.
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Thulfe | January 16, 2015 5:27am
Vynertje wrote:

@Scaling AP: they give you more AP by level 7 or so, which should be about 7-8 minutes into the game if you play a solo lane.

@HP To survive early/mid game. Also, as I mentioned I strongly disagree with your items so you'll be at 2k hp max. 80hp early game vs 4 ap? I know what to pick.

@Turbo start: Your start is sucky because you have 0 defense and you'll get oneshot by a level 3 leblanc. Magic pen gives you more damage than AP marks, period.

@Summoners: Everyone at my elo (diamond 3) runs it for a reason. You need flash to escape stuff and get out alive, it can also allow you to make plays you otherwise wouldn't be able to make.

@Masteries: Your setup is really bad compared to other options out there. This basic setup is a lot better compared to what you run: http://gyazo.com/7e466a691ffc9d0c8c43f6b405b84663

@ROA: It takes time to stack so it's an early game item. Heimerdinger doesn't need the mana and the ap is low-ish compared to other items at that pricepoint. For 1600 gold you get as much AP as ROA does after 10 minutes.
@Rylais: The slow doesn't work very well with your turrets. Again, the item isn't bad, you're just better off with other items.
@Boots: You do need boots. Why? Because otherwise you may not have dodged that ahri charm coming your way. It doesn't matter if you have about 500hp more because you WILL get blown up by a full burst, while boots may have caused you to avoid their engage, dodged that skillshot etc.

Dude, the meta exists for a reason. It is THE DEFINED BEST way to play at an exact moment, and not taking boots is not meta breaking, it is stupid. Heimerdinger is the slowest champion in the game with 325 movement speed and boots WILL help you escape sticky situations.

Even professional players buy boots and use flash when they battle for 1 million dollars, and here you are thinking you know better. Lol.

PS: I used to main Heimerdinger and run a 80-something-% winrate at Diamond 3 level.


Sheesh, relax. Didn't say I do it better.. It's just my build, and it works very well with me!
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Vynertje (386) | January 16, 2015 5:16am
@Scaling AP: they give you more AP by level 7 or so, which should be about 7-8 minutes into the game if you play a solo lane.

@HP To survive early/mid game. Also, as I mentioned I strongly disagree with your items so you'll be at 2k hp max. 80hp early game vs 4 ap? I know what to pick.

@Turbo start: Your start is sucky because you have 0 defense and you'll get oneshot by a level 3 leblanc. Magic pen gives you more damage than AP marks, period.

@Summoners: Everyone at my elo (diamond 3) runs it for a reason. You need flash to escape stuff and get out alive, it can also allow you to make plays you otherwise wouldn't be able to make.

@Masteries: Your setup is really bad compared to other options out there. This basic setup is a lot better compared to what you run: http://gyazo.com/7e466a691ffc9d0c8c43f6b405b84663

@ROA: It takes time to stack so it's an early game item. Heimerdinger doesn't need the mana and the ap is low-ish compared to other items at that pricepoint. For 1600 gold you get as much AP as ROA does after 10 minutes.
@Rylais: The slow doesn't work very well with your turrets. Again, the item isn't bad, you're just better off with other items.
@Boots: You do need boots. Why? Because otherwise you may not have dodged that ahri charm coming your way. It doesn't matter if you have about 500hp more because you WILL get blown up by a full burst, while boots may have caused you to avoid their engage, dodged that skillshot etc.

Dude, the meta exists for a reason. It is THE DEFINED BEST way to play at an exact moment, and not taking boots is not meta breaking, it is stupid. Heimerdinger is the slowest champion in the game with 325 movement speed and boots WILL help you escape sticky situations.

Even professional players buy boots and use flash when they battle for 1 million dollars, and here you are thinking you know better. Lol.

PS: I used to main Heimerdinger and run a 80-something-% winrate at Diamond 3 level.
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