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League of Legends Build Guide Author Dunk the Lunk

Hide and seek rules by Dunk (Crystal Scar removed 22.2.2016

Dunk the Lunk Last updated on February 10, 2016
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About me and this guide

Crystal Scar map to be deleted 22.2.2016. This guide will not be continued and applied to other maps. Thanks to all the people who used it to play customs with me. I hope you found it useful



I am Dunk after Duncan the Tall from the Song of ice and fire. I play league on both european servers. My most played game modes are hide and seek and aram. I don’t play much ranked but I have 3 accounts in platinum.

This guide is continuation to my previous set of rules I wrote on the old EUW league board. Click here to view the old thread.

The sole purpose of this guide (as its predecessors) is to become the most comprehensive and logically consistent set of rules available for hide and seek game mode played in League of Legends.

In contrast to majority of competing rules put together by others players this one will attempting to cover all the necessary details a player needs internalize in order to make the most out of the game mode while also explaining the logic behind each section of rules.

The general trend, as far as community-made rules are concerned, has been that many rules have been taken for granted even if intrinsically they aren’t at all in line with the main idea behind hide and seek.

It’s still a work in progress though.


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General idea and rules behind hide and seek as a game mode

  • hide and seek is a custom game mode played in Crystal Scar
  • draft pick is used in champion select more often than not
  • In game there are 7 players in total: 5 hiders and 2 seekers
  • capturing objectives other than the Storm shield in the middle of the map is forbidden for both teams
  • 2 seekers have 40 minutes to take down the hiders who have 5 lives each
  • in contrast, hiders aim to survive the 40 minutes
  • game ends when either all the hiders run out of lives or 40 minutes is reached
  • both seekers and hiders have their own sets of rules; detailed separately further below


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Forbidden champions

Previously I had Kassadin, Master Yi, Rengar, Teemo and Kassadin listed as only prebans mainly (because those 5 had been considered preban-worthy since the game mode was conceived and people were therefore used to them(. In this ruleset, however, I will make separate prebans for hiders and seekers as seen below.

My reason for changing the prebans are the buffs and nerfs towards certain champions as well as (hopefully) increased diversity in picks afterwards.

I might also consider adding Twisted Fate as a seeker ban but then I’d be forced to include more stealth champions under the hider bans so TF remains open for now.

Prebanned for hiders:

Teemo's passive makes him nearly impossible to locate before Oracle's Extract and similar items are allowed at the 15-minute mark. The harass from his mushrooms turns seekers game into a hell.
Her passive. That's all.

Prebanned for seekers:

Extremely difficult to outrun. Master Yi's ultimate allows him to ignore all the soft crowd control while providing him a movement speed boost. Add his Q, the true damage from his E and a Youmuu's Ghostblade and your team is lucky to survive the 20-minute mark.
Banned from seekers due to his ultimate. The vision it gives added to his assassin kit nets Rengar a kill nearly every time it's off cool-down
Her passive allows her to ambush hiders who are located outside the outer circle. Rylai's make also make her Q spam too overpowered.

Note: Owner of the game decides the prebans always. You can’t force prebans on someone because this or that guide tells you they’re different.


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Draft pick & ban phase

As mentioned above under the general rules -section, Hide and seek is usually played in draft mode. Both hiders and seekers therefore have 3 bans each. I will try to cover a few of the better hiders and seekers here respectively.

There will be more than three so as a first pick you can decide which champions you despise the most as you're banning. You can also choose a decent pick for yourself from below.


Suggested hider bans




Shaco
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Kha'Zix
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Wukong
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Twitch
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Udyr
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Morgana
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Janna
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Leblanc
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Rek'Sai
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Zilean
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Bard
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Rengar
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Suggested seeker bans



Warwick
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Rammus
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Lee Sin
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Twisted Fate
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Nidalee
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Teemo
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Udyr
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Rek'Sai
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Nocturne
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Nunu
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Akali
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Quinn
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Hider itemization


Hider build examples:


Standard
Nitro button
Against double AD
Against double AP


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Seeker itemization


Seeker build examples


AD DPS Seeker
AD assassin
AP caster


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Further information about hiding rules

  • each hider has 5 lives
  • allowed summoner spells are Heal, Ghost, Exhaust, Cleanse and Flash
  • hiders can leave the base when the game starts at 1.20 but waiting until 2.00 in order to purchase more expensive boot enhancement is allowed
  • in case a hider hasn't left the base before 2.30 he'll be reduced 1 life and if he/she stays there for longer other players can decide about additional life reductions•
  • once hider has left the fountain he can’t recall or walk to base
  • hiders may hide anywhere on the map except under their own fountains laser range
  • knocking seekers into hiders fountain deliberately is forbidden and leads to 1 life reduction (e.g Alistar's Headbutt
  • 1 helper per 1 seeker is allowed (e.g 1 hider helping other hider if there’s only 1 seeker chasing); •this enables 3 versus 2 situation if 2 seekers are chasing yet once the helpers have succeeded at helping the targeted hider they must part ways: group running is forbidden.

    Example

    Spoiler: Click to view

  • •no more than 2 hiders are allowed to stay in 1 hide simultaneously
  • first offense of aforementioned rules concerning grouping leads to a warning for the first player to exceed to limit of allowed helpers/players in 1 hide.
  • however, if the warned player(s) keeps breaking the rule they will get reduced 1 life towards each offense
  • hider is allowed to buy items when he’s dead and should leave the base immediately after spawning•
  • once a hider respawns, he has 30 seconds of immunity to hide starting from the moment he spawns (this is called grace time)
  • hider is obliged to write the time his/her grace ends in All-chat or he has no grace time (e.g you spawn at 14.50; write “”/all grace 15.20””)
  • if seekers damage or follow a hider during his/her grace the hider in entitled to recall and call his grace time anew
  • grace time ends if a hider is active in any other way than actual hiding (for example: taking the buff in middle, using activated items, blocking seeker skill shots, using CC abilities)
  • seekers can’t deliberately follow hiders during grace time•
  • once seekers decide to recall hiders may never interrupt it
  • once seekers health goes below 300 hiders must give seekers a chance to start the recall (generally 3 seconds to start it)
  • however, if the seekers carry on seeking under 300 health hiders can keep using crowd control spells on them without repercussions unless the seeker starts his/her recall (recall can never be interrupted)


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What kind of abilities can hiders use?


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What can you do as a hider when you're out?

  • once a hider runs out of 5 lives he is to have 0 impact on the on-going game
  • •he has to stay in base and even if seekers come to ability range hiders aren’t allowed to influence them
  • •vision spells such Twisted Fate's Destiny are also forbidden once the named champion is out
    moving outside the base to the outer ring is allowed only if seekers give hiders permission to do so
  • hiders who are out are never allowed to enter the fog of war (staying in the middle next to the storm shield is forbidden at all times)
  • trying to get to seekers base (bug) for fun is allowed only with seekers permission


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Further information about the seeking rules

  • seekers may start hunting down hiders (leave their base) at 2.00
  • all summoners spells are allowed for seekers (only 1 Clairvoyance is permitted)
  • working together to catch a single hider is recommended•
  • seekers can buy, recall or walk to base whenever they feel like
  • once the seekers health goes below 300 he is obliged to start a recall
  • if the seeker continues to seek below 300 health he risks dying to hiders crowd control
    (if a seeker dies because he didn’t recall under 300 hp it’s his own fault)
  • •once the seeker starts recalling he can’t cancel it himself (no fake-recalling)•
  • if seeker fake-recalls and proceeds to kill a hider thanks to it the kills doesn’t count
  • •when hiders have their 30-second grace immunity seekers are not allowed to attack or follow them deliberately
  • •seekers are allowed to use all abilities


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List of allowed abilities for each champion (A - Z)


Aatrox:
•
  • •Q and E allowed

Ahri:
•
  • ••E and R allowed
  • •R should be used only to escape
  • Q is allowed after patch 5.2 but is not allowed to be targeted on seekers deliberately

Akali:
•
  • •W and R allowed
  • •R should be used only to escape
•
Alistar:
•
  • all abilities allowed

Amumu:
•
  • ••Q and R allowed
  • ••leveling E allowed but using the active is forbidden

Anivia:
•
  • Q, W and R allowed
•
Annie:
•
  • •••only the ability that has the stun is allowed to be used on seekers
  • •getting stun stacks on seekers is forbidden
  • E is forbidden altogether

Ashe:
•
  • •••W and R allowed
  • ••autoattacking is forbidden

•
Azir:
•
  • ••••Q, E and R allowed without conditions
  • •autoattacking with soldiers is forbidden (results in a warning and if repeated in 1 life reduction)
  • •placing soldiers on seekers is forbidden

Bard:
•
  • •••all abilities allowed
  • ••auto-attacking is allowed only with his Meeps -passive

•
Blitzcrank:
•
  • •••••all abilities allowed
  • ••be careful with bursting enemies down from above 300 health
  • ••if a seeker bursted from above 300 hp to death the hider dealing the killing blow gets reduces 1 life

Brand:
•
  • •••no abilities allowed (see above Abilities for hiders)

•
•Braum:
•
  • •••••all abilities allowed
  • •••autoattacking to get passive stun procs isn’t allowed

•
Caitlyn:
•
  • ••••••W and E allowed

Cassiopeia:
•

Cho’'Gath:
•
  • ••••••Q, W allowed

Corki:
•
  • ••••••W allowed as an escape

Darius:
•

Diana:
•
  • ••••••W, E and R allowed
  • •••using Q is forbidden altogether

Dr. Mundo:
•
  • ••••••Q, W and R allowed
  • •using W to harass seekers by standing on them even if they aren’t trying to catch you is forbidden

Draven:
•
  • ••••••W and E allowed

Ekko
•
  • ••••••proccing passive with auto-attacks is forbidden
  • ••all abilities allowed
  • using E to harass is forbidden - it can only be used to escape

Elise:
•
  • ••••••spiderform: E allowed
  • •human form: E allowed

Evelynn:
•
  • •••••••preban for hiders
  • •W and R allowed (added abilities for people who get her in all random)

Ezreal:
•
  • ••••••E allowed as an escape
  • ••be careful with bursting enemies down from above 300 health
  • •E shouldn’t be used to harass

Fiddlesticks:
•
  • ••••••Q, E and R allowed
  • ••W not allowed to heal (see above Abilities for hiders)
  • ••using R is allowed only to escape (not to harassment)

Fiora:
•
  • •••••all abilities allowed with a couple of tweaks
  • •using Q or R to harass the seeker is forbidden (use them as an escape)
  • •••auto-attacks to get movement speed stacks from E are forbidden

Fizz:
•
  • ••••••Q, E and R allowed with tweaks
  • Q and E should be used only to escape
  • leveling W is forbidden

Galio:
•
  • ••••••all abilities allowed

Gangplank:
•
  • ••••••W and R allowed without conditions
  • ••auto-attacking o to proc the passive movement speed forbidden (see above Abilities for hiders)
  • using Q is allowed only if its used instantly after powder keg to slow the seekers - using Q on seekers deliberately leads to 1 life reduction
  • ••••••using E for vision is forbidden (see above Abilities for hiders)
  • ••••••E is allowed only if it's destroyed instantly either to gain movement speed or to slow the seekers

Garen:
•
  • ••••••Q and W allowed

Gnar:
•
  • ••••••Mega Gnar: all ablities allowed
  • ••Mini Gnar: all abilities allowed with tweaks (auto-attacking to get W procs is forbidden)

Gragas:
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  • •all abilities allowed
  • ••auto-attack after W is forbidden
  • •••be careful not to burst seekers down from above 300 (you get reduced 1 life if you do)

Graves:
•
  • ••••••W and E allowed

Hecarim:
•

Heimerdinger:
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  • ••••••only E allowed
  • ••placing down turrets for vision is forbidden
  • •••only E is allowed to be used with R (I know upgraded Q would slow but as it is high DPS it is forbidden)

Irelia:
•

Janna:
•
  • ••••••all abilities allowed

Jarvan:
•
  • •••••all abilities allowed with a couple of tweaks
  • •Q and E are allowed only if used together
  • using Q and E separetely leads to a warning (if repeated Jarvan gets reduced 1 life)

Jax:
•
  • •Q, E and R allowed
  • ••Q allowed only as an escape

Jayce:
•
  • •••••hammer stance: Q and E allowed
  • •cannon stance: E allowed
  • ••••R allowed

Jinx:
•
  • W and E allowed

Kalista:
•
  • ••••••only R allowed

Karma:
•
  • ••••••all abilities allowed
  • ••empowered W not allowed

Karthus:
•
  • •W allowed

Kassadin:
•
  • •E and R allowed
  • ••R is not allowed to be used on seekers on purpose

Katarina:
•
  • ••••••E allowed
  • •using W to get movement speed is not allowed

Kayle:
•
  • •Q, W and R allowed

Kennen:
•
  • ••••••E and R allowed
  • •Q, W and auto-attack to proc passive stun is forbidden (see above Abilities for hiders)
  • •••••E should not be used on seekers

Kha'Zix:
•

Kindred:
•
  • ••••••Q allowed as an escape - not to help or poke
  • ••W not allowed at all
  • ••E slowing active allowed
  • ••R allowed

Kog’'Maw:
•
  • ••••••E allowed
  • ••don't try this

Leblanc:
•
  • •W, E and both of them mimicked are allowed
  • ••using Q at all is forbidden

Lee Sin:
•
  • ••••••all abilities allowed with tweaks
  • ••Q only allowed as an escape (not to harass as dealing pure damage isn’t an allowed form of helping)
  • •••••if you use first part of Q you should always use the second part(otherwise it's considered harassing and not escaping)

Leona:
•
  • •all abilities allowed

Lissandra:
•
  • ••••••all abilities allowed

Lucian:
•

Lulu:
•
  • ••••••all abilities allowed with minor tweaks
  • •E not allowed on seekers

Lux:
•
  • ••••••Q, W and E allowed
  • •detonating E on seekers before it explodes naturally is forbidden as it provides no additional crowd control when it explodes

Malphite:
•
  • •••••Q, W and R allowed

Malzahar:
•
  • ••••••Q and R allowed

Maokai:
•
  • ••••••Q, W and E allowed
  • •since the 4.11 changes Maokai's saplings get the same treatment as Shaco's boxes:
    •stacking saplings in order to do more damage is forbidden since the slow doesn't stack
    •sapling stacking: putting down 2 saplings or more within range of each other so closely that they can attack 1 target simultaneously

Master Yi:
•
  • ••••••Q, W and R allowed with tweaks
  • ••Q allowed only to dodge spells or autoattacks
  • ••••using Q to harass leads to a warning and if continued to a 1 life reduction

Miss Fortune:
•
•
  • •E allowed
  • •W allowed to strut instantly

Mordekaiser:
•
  • ••••••W allowed
  • ••using abilities to proc passive shield is forbidden

Morgana:
•
  • ••••••Q, E and R allowed
  • ••be careful not to burst from above 300 health

Nami:
•
  • ••••••all abilities allowed
  • •W should not be used on enemy intentionally

Nasus:
•
  • ••••••W and R allowed
  • ••R shouldn’t be used to stand on and harass seekers if they aren’t actually chasing Nasus

Nautilus:
•
  • •all abilities allowed
  • ••using 1 auto-attack to proc passive root is allowed (however, if Nautilus keeps auto-attacking for more he gets a warning and a 1 life reduction if he still does it)

Nidalee:
•
  • ••••••cat form: W allowed as an escape (not to jump on seekers
  • ••human form: only E is allowed
  • •••••Nidalee’s human form W is forbidden
  • •••••despite her new passive she still can't use Q or W to gain movement speed in human form

Nocturne:
•
  • •••••all abilities allowed with tweaks
  • ••R should be only used as an escape
  • ••••Q can not be used on seekers - results in a warning and if repeated in a 1 life reduction

Nunu:
•
  • ••••••all abilities allowed
  • ••be careful not to burst seekers down from above 300 (doing so leads to a reduction of 1 life)

Olaf:
•
  • ••••••Q and R allowed

Orianna:
•
  • ••••••all abilities allowed with tweaks
  • ••Q not allowed to be used on seekers on purpose (it can be used to position the ball for her W or R but using it only to harass without crowd control is forbidden)

Pantheon:
•
  • ••••••W and R allowed

Poppy:
•
  • ••••••W, E and R allowed

Quinn:
•
  • ••••••Q, E and R allowed
  • ••E should only be used as an escape
  • ••••the second activation of R is forbidden to use on seekers deliberately

Rammus:
•
  • •Q and E allowed

Rek'Sai:
•
  • ••••••Q not allowed in either form
  • ••both forms of W allowed
  • •••••burrowed version of E allowed, unburrowed version banned
    [*•]R is allowed
  • knocking up allowed

Renekton:
•
  • ••••••W, E and R allowed
  • •E and R should not be used to harass
  • ••••do not stand on the seekers with your ult if they are not chasing you (or use E on them)

Rengar:
•
  • •••••pre•ban for seekers
  • ••using the passive jump around bushes is forbidden at all times (if repeated, results into a 1 life reduction)
  • ••W, E and R allowed with tweaks
  • W is not allowed to be used on seekers (using it on seekers results in a warning and if continued in a 1 life reduction)

Riven:
•
  • •W and are allowed without any conditions
  • ••Q is allowed on condition that only the third windslash that contains the knock-up is used on seekers

Rumble:
•
  • •W, E and R allowed
  • ••be careful not to burst seekers down from above 300 health

Ryze:
•
  • ••••••W and R allowed

Sejuani:
•
  • Q, E and R allowed
  • ••auto-attacking and using W to proc either passive or E slow is forbidden

Shaco:
•
  • ••••••all abilities allowed
  • ••box stacking is forbidden
  • •••••box stacking: putting down 2 boxes or more within range of each other so closely that they can attack 1 target simultaneously

Shen:
•
  • •W, E and R allowed
  • ••Shen can't use his R on hiders who are already out
  • •••••be careful not to exceed the 1 helper per 1 seeker rule when you decide to help with your ultimate

Shyvana:
•
  • •••••W and R allowed
  • •don't harass enemy by staying on them on purpose

Singed:
•
  • •••••W, E and R allowed

Sion:
•
  • •Q, E and R allowed without conditions
  • •W shield allowed to block damage (using the shield explosion to harass seekers on purpose is forbidden)

Sivir:
•
  • ••••••E and R allowed
  • ••getting passive procs in any way is forbidden

Skarner:
•
  • •W, E and R allowed
  • ••using Q on seekers forbidden
  • ••auto-attacking once to apply a stun after Skarner has marked the seeker with Fracture is allowed within a 5-second window

Sona:
•
  • ••••••W, E and R allowed

Soraka:
•
  • ••••••all abilities allowed

Swain:
•
  • ••••••Q and W allowed
  • ••using R is forbidden to heal (see above Abilties for hiders)

Syndra:
•
  • ••••••W and E are allowed without conditions
  • ••Q ball can be casted but not on the seekers (doing this leads to a warning and if repeated to a loss of 1 life)
  • ••••R allowed

Tahm Kench:
•
  • all abilities allowed
  • •passive not allowed to acquire Acquired taste effects

Talon:
•
  • ••••••W, E and R allowed

Taric:
•
  • •Q and E allowed

Teemo:
•
  • ••••••banned for and hiders
  • ••Q and R allowed (added abilities for people who get him in all random)

Thresh:
•
  • ••••••all abilities allowed

Tristana:
•
  • ••••••W and R allowed

Trundle:
•

Tryndamere:
•
  • ••••••all abilities allowed
  • ••E should only be used as an escape

Twisted Fate:
•
  • ••••••gold card and red card allowed when using W
  • ••R is allowed if Twisted Fate uses it to escape

Twitch:
•
  • •••••Q and E allowed

Udyr:
•
  • ••••••W and E are allowed (turtle and bear stances)
  • •you get enough procs to your passive from those 2 alone
  • •••••auto-attacking once in order to inflict stun on a seeker is allowed

Urgot:
•
  • •W and R are allowed
  • ••using Q even with W on is forbidden

Varus:
•
  • ••••••E and R allowed

Vayne:
•
  • ••••••Q, E and R allowed

Veigar:
•
  • ••••••E allowed

Vel'koz:
•
VeI'’Koz
  • •Q, E and R allowed

Vi:
•
  • ••••••Q and R allowed

Viktor:
•
  • •W allowed
  • •using R is forbidden due to high DPS even if it silences briefly

Vladimir:
•

Volibear:
•
  • ••••••Q and E are allowed

Warwick:
•
  • ••••••R is allowed (be careful not to burst as Warwick can’t cancel it himself)goto]
  • ••Q is forbidden to use even for healing (see above Abilities for hiders)
  • •••••leveling E is not allowed

Wukong:
•
  • •W, E and R allowed
  • ••E should be used to escape
  • •••••R should be used for the knock up; Wukong is not allowed to stand on seekers intentionally when his ultimate is on

Xerath:
•
  • •W and E allowed

Xin Zhao:
•


Yasuo:
•

Yorick:
•
  • ••••••W allowed

Zac:
•
  • •••••Q, E and R allowed

Zed:
•
  • •••••W, E and R allowed
  • ••R should be used only as an escape

Ziggs:
•
  • •••••W and E allowed

Zilean:
•
  • ••••••W, E and R allowed

Zyra:
•
  • ••••••E and R allowed without conditions


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Frequently asked questions (FAQ)

Frequently Asked


Answers



Q: Why can't I buy Frost Queen's Claim? Everyone else permits it! // Frost Queen's Claim is banned for everyone because using the active goes against the nature of Hide and Seek. The main objective for hiders is to hide and seekers to seek. The active ruins that and turns the game into tag.

Late game there's usually only one or two hiders left. If the seekers buy the item hiders will be revealed (provided that the hiders who are out follow the rules and stay in base). As there is little to none counterplay against the active, Frost Queen's Claim is banned. Some would say Twisted Fate ultimate is just like the Frost Queen's Claim's active but that one you can at least remove by using Quicksilver Sash.
Q: I notice you permit the purchase of Dead Man's Plate nowadays? I thought you banned it because it lets hiders get away with building a tank while still being fast? Keep your word you inconsistent dog. // I personally dislike the item because of the reasons you mentioned. However, Zephyr was removed in patch 5.22 and therefore hiders can no longer stack zephyrs for the optimal hiding build. Therefore I had to permit either the purchase of items like Luden's Echo and Lich Bane to fill the void Riot created by removing Zephyr or allow the purchase of Dead Man's Plate. In my opinion tanky hiders are more appropriate than one-shotting AP hiders. So in a nutshell I tried to choose the lesser evil.


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