Nice comeback.

Physical-effective health=maximum health multiplied by the effect of armor. I'm saying the effect of the 100 health outweighs the effect of the 8 armor a Cloth Armor gives in terms of durability.
And when I did MY calculation, I factored in the effects of his masteries and runes. Those are important.

And you DID insult him. You didn't say, "Your grammar is sup-optimal.", you said, "The guide is horrible written."

"Doran's Shield gives 100 Health and 10 Armor, which raises Malphite's physical-effective health to 994"

What? this is a pain staking lie.

Maplh base health at level 1 is 505.

+120 = 625. 10% of 625 = 62. So his total health (whit shield) at level 1 will be = 687. Not 994. (noy counting runes)

5 pots = 750 effective health. waaayyyy better sustain.

"And leveling Malphite's Q for use in ganks is a very silly thing to do. The first rank is 14% speed stolen; each successive rank is 3% more. "

I might have been wrong here, my bad.

"You were insulting his grammar using incorrect grammar."

I were by no means "insulting" him. I where telling him about things that can improve his guide, i never stated that my own grammar is any better.

So if you took you'r head out off you'r ***, you might realise it XD

Omagma was happy enough to send me this message:
"First thing off, i never made a statement, saying my grammar where any better.

Correcting my comment was very childish.

And if you have to tell me if something is "untrue" please explain why.


Saying that something is "untrue" and cant back it up, hold no value on this site.

I know what i talk about, with more than a year of jungeling experiences."

I think he raised an excellent point. I need to rationalize my arguments. So, here was my response:
"Correcting your comment wasn't childish; it was exposing hypocrisy.
You were insulting his grammar using incorrect grammar.

And, if you want me to explain why your points are "untrue", here's why:
Doran's Shield gives 100 Health and 10 Armor, which raises Malphite's physical-effective health to 994. Cloth Armor raises physical-effective health to only 857. (The gap increases with Malphite's passive, which is more effective with a Doran's Shield, as the Shield gives more health.) So, while the regen is only worth about 2 health potions (312 health from the 1:55 mark to the 5:00 mark) at that point in the jungle, the sheer durability granted by the item makes it a viable start.

And leveling Malphite's Q for use in ganks is a very silly thing to do. The first rank is 14% speed stolen; each successive rank is 3% more. That's pitiful compared to a shorter-cooldown slam that reduced auto-attack speed (which makes jungling easier).

If saying something is "untrue" without any rationale is valueless, then saying something is a "bad idea" without any rationale is also valueless."
No reason to make this a PM. It is, after all, about the guide.

So you are just going to ignore my comment without trying it or testing it? How childish.

And a certain level of grammar is needed in order to make a good guide, Mobafire is full of well written guides. Notice, that the well written guides, are the best.

You are new on this site, and i am an editor, i think i know a little bit more about what makes a good guide, than you do.

Go look up "jhoi's guide to guides" good stuff.

ahh as i stated at the top, not the best at these. no room to breath? sorry but you do not need to keep reading without pausing, cloth and pots not the way to go if u have tried shield.
if you have come to mobafire for the grammer and such you are in the wrong place, go read a book or something professorially published, i dont care what you think :D
and waiting for passive makes your 5 potions worthless, i know its hard to stand still from one section to another for 1-3 second for some but worth it.
there i said it, dont know you, dont care :D

^

I was going to be mad at you, but then i realized that you are a nobody.

Time to grammar YOU, sir.
1. The guide is horribly* written. It is clear that you have a basic understanding of English grammar, but your* formatting and layout are* terrible.
Try spacing out your text. Let the reader have some room to breathe*. (It's actually written perfectly well, though I might recommend brackets to link to items.)

2. Starting Doran's Shield is a bad idea. It* gives you a small amount of sustain/armor compared to Cloth armor and HP 5. (Untrue.)

3. You level your Q way too* late;* you will need more than 1 point, since it greatly increases your* ganking power. (Also untrue.)

4. Your* jungle route can be more effective:* starting at wolves* and THEN taking blue* helps a lot. Wolves* > Blue > Wraiths > Wolves* > Red > Golems.

5. The guide is ugly;* there, I* said it. Reading your guide is simply difficult* (proper use of adjectives, pleasE):* no spacing, no proper BB coding and no illustrations. (I agree with him on this one.)

6. Waiting for passive is a waste of time, that is why you don't start Doran's shield. (With the new jungle, I would agree that it's a waste of time.)

Lets make a list, shall we?

1.
The guide is horrible written. It is clear that you have a basic understanding of English grammar, but you'r formatting and layout is terrible.

Try spacing out your text. Let the reader have some room to breath.

2.

Starting Doran's shield is a bad idea. I gives you a small amount of sustain/armor compared to Cloth armor and HP 5.

3.
You level your Q way to late, you will need more than 1 point, since it greatly increases you'r ganking power.

4.
You'r jungle route can be more effective, starting at wolf's AND then taking blue, helps a lot.

Wolfes > blue > Wraith > Wolfes > red buff > double golems.

5.
The guide is ugly, there, i said it.

Reading your guide is simply hard, no spacing, no proper BB coding and no illustrations.

6.
Waiting for passive is a waste of time, that is why you don't start Doran's shield.

this is the item build i have always used, it's very effective except after i have everything i sell my boots and buy a second warmogs or frozen mallet or leviathan depending on my how the game goes.