General Guide by Xenasis
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Mitsiee wrote:
Great guide, but how are Sejuani and Yorick so low? Sejuani has better ganks than other any champion and Yorick clears the jungle in second, without needing blue, and even getting out with 100% HP. On top of that, Yorick is an AMAZING counter ganker. I'm sorry, I'm not voting this guide up, it is well written and everything, but the Tier chart is so far off. Simply because you don't see a champion much doesn't mean he belongs to a lower Tier. Talk to other people, and don't just throw your own opinion on there. That's not my reasoning at ALL. If that was my reasoning, Amumu, as with Fiora, would definitely not be tier 2 - I've not seen either picked for at least 20 games. Trundle isn't exactly the most common pick (y, either, and he's tier 1 as he is an amazing jungler - one of the best in the game without question. My reasoning is simply pure brute jungling. If they JUNGLE well, they're high. If they're a good pick that otherwise lacks in the jungle (like Sejuani) then they're low(er). If they have the best team fight in the game or excel late game (see Warwick as a quick example) then that won't affect them unless those skills directly translate to jungling. Reasoning for Sejuani being low - Really blue dependent Not many routes/builds she can take - she basically has to go double HoG and start at blue No innate regen (or anything to aid survivability, like Speeds aren't anything special However, she's tier 3 because she has amazing ganks. That's about it. She can be punished really hard in the jungle and is dependant on those ganks actually being successful. Reasoning for Yorick being low - Relatively blue dependant - low base mana, not low ability costs Can't gank well at all - this is the main factor lowering him, and he has no other redeeming qualities He's not really fast at all - he's mediocre at best - I'd say less than that, too Easily counterjungled/killed - no escape/semi escape Does that cover it for you?
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Xenasis <Scout> Prominent (164) Posts: 2457 Joined: 2011-01-14 IGN: Xenasis on EUW View My Blog |
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Nice guide |
antoniogonz1998 Posts: 3 Joined: 2012-03-21 IGN: kaghrah |
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good guide, but i don´t think the skill order of udyr is right.. it has like 5 ult lvlup´s and only 3 E´s... just a small note : ) |
UrGoNeLoL Posts: 2 Joined: 2012-06-12 |
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UrGoNeLoL wrote:
good guide, but i don´t think the skill order of udyr is right.. it has like 5 ult lvlup´s and only 3 E´s... just a small note : ) Udyr has no ultimate - his R skill can be taken from level 1, and he has to leave one of his skills at 3 points.
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Xenasis <Scout> Prominent (164) Posts: 2457 Joined: 2011-01-14 IGN: Xenasis on EUW View My Blog |
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You forgot |
cyber_rat619 Posts: 6 Joined: 2012-02-16 |
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cyber_rat619 wrote:
Ah, yes, I forgot to add her! She was not made when this guide was made, you see!
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Xenasis <Scout> Prominent (164) Posts: 2457 Joined: 2011-01-14 IGN: Xenasis on EUW View My Blog |
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Xenasis wrote:
Udyr has no ultimate - his R skill can be taken from level 1, and he has to leave one of his skills at 3 points. whoops, sorry, you´re right. |
UrGoNeLoL Posts: 2 Joined: 2012-06-12 |
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There are 2 Points i Really Disagree: |
R4idenZero Unremarkable (12) Posts: 45 Joined: 2011-02-12 IGN: R4idenZero on EUW View My Blog |
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R4idenZero wrote:
There are 2 Points i Really Disagree: 1 - Getting 2 - I only consider Your "Tier" only until "Tier 2 (The Demigod Tier)" Champions after are just placed randomly. - - - - - - - - 1. I get Warmogs on 5/10 junglers in this guide, simply because tanky DPS is the metagame right now and you cannot run around with Phantom Dancers and IEs on Udyr or whatever. 2. Trundle - Best jungler taking everything but ganking into account in the game His speed isn't amazing but he's impossible to counter jungle, amazing at duelling, and is one of the most sustained junglers in the game. His ganks aren't THAT bad, either. Shyvana is a great pick and Trundle has better ganks than her. Olaf - Tell that to Nintendude from Monomatic (or whatever their new name is, I forgot) who uses him all the time in tournaments. Nunu - Hm, yeah I overestimated his buff on that one. I'll probably move him down. Singed - Really good in the jungle, you'd be surprised. Try him out. Xin Zhao - Still a great pick due to versatility. He can run red buff routes with ease, just like Lee Sin, for example. If I remember correctly, M5's jungler, Diamondprox has a >75% win rate with him in ranked, and he plays him a lot. The thing you really need to watch for is his ganks. Level 2 Xin gank with red is not good news. Naut - Yes he has tonnes of CC. Yes he's a great pick. Yes he's great in team fights. This has no relevance to his jungling, of which he's only barely good at. Sejuani - Explained above in the page. As I said earlier, it doesn't matter that she can initiate wonderfully late game, that does not contribute to jungling. Renekton - The main thing holding him back is all he needs to put in to jungle and throws away later because of it. Scaling and itemisation is abysmal and he isn't particularly good at anything - there's no reason to pick him over anybody else as a jungler. Yorick - Very easy to play, not OP, but extremely strong in a lane Explained above, he's too reliant on blue and has only semi decent ganks at best.
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Xenasis <Scout> Prominent (164) Posts: 2457 Joined: 2011-01-14 IGN: Xenasis on EUW View My Blog |
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mhmm i really think that Warwick is at least tier 2 jungler, for many reason. he doesnt take super long time to clear the jungle and he doesnt need to go back every secound and he can gank pretty well most of the time. i just think that he doesnt belong to tier 3 |
yawas Posts: 3 Joined: 2012-05-11 IGN: there2kill |
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