No. Mantra shielding a creep at max range while they are at the maximum distance in the damage circle is actually as long as xerath q.

Clearly you don't understand what I am saying. For starters Karma doesn't have stupid range it is actually fairly short which is why I compare her to Ryze. Even if you shield a minion you now have to wait for another mantra to do a kill combo OR get close to heavenly wave in which case you might aswell have shielded yourself. Walking up to an AP counter is always a stupid idea and you should never be overzealous when playing karma. It is her ability to utterly punish anyone trying to poke her which makes her dangerous. In case it didn't make sense, Mantra shield should be used in a kill combo/ a combo that will put them low enough health to have to back. If you plan on using it they should back off right away which is why I max it first as its damage is threatening early on. If you are utilising her spirit bond for damage then you will have to get close anyways. I will try to acquire video footage for you as you clearly don't understand. Lastly S2 ELO means nothing to me and anything between 1000-1600 is completely dependant on the better carry. I don't quite think playing 10 games with Karma above 1800 ELO makes you an authority on the subject. If it was 100+ and you still had the 90% win rate with her, then I would take your advice into consideration.


If this is really an issue to you, then update your own guide and quit flaming mine.

That's stupid. You should almost NEVER walk into someone's face to mantra shield yourself. You're putting yourself in harms' way unnecessarily. You walk up to karthus's face. You combo. he walls, jungle xin walks out, you flash and still die.
OR
You mantra shield a creep he's close to, and do damage

The power of karma is her stupid range. You aren't abusing that if you are walking into their face. It's a good way to die. I'm not sure what elo you are, but I actually was like 9-1 with Karma in solo queue above 1800 in s2.

I have tested Athene rush and I didn't find it that good which is why I left it out of my guide until now. You shouldn't be using mantra soul shield to harass in the first place (only use it with your combo) and if you do use it always cast it on yourself so you can eat any poke you may recieve while walking back. It is not that hard to get close to enemy champions in lane (this is why I build Alacrity right after Liandry's). You should only be auto attacking to last hit anyways there is no need to spam your spells to farm. I did look at your guide and it is still in Season 2.

It's not about the utility of shield. It's the fact that you
A. Have to consume a mantra charge to harass
B. usually cast it on a minion to harass them, making it unsafe.

Maxing wave is usually optimal, unless you cannot approach your lane opponent (see my guides matchup section). Also, you can push waves without consuming a mantra charge. I just want you to playtest athene's rush.

Sorry If I have offended you I did say MOST not all, I have never had any issue with CDR or mana but I guess it is because I am used to controlling it. I will add some items/ a section per your suggestion for them. I find that as much as heavenly wave is good in lane the sheer utility of it does not compare to soul shield especially with the heal doing minimal base healing and then percent health. Junglema has gotten mixed opinions but I haven't done terribly bad with her. It's nice to have especially with the rework coming up which might help her potential. I'm still working on the section for it but I clarify in there that you should not insta lock her as a jungler it is mainly a fun thing to do if you have a premade team and some experience with her.

Hey! Easy tiger. No vote from me as I love anyone that plays karma, I take issue with the fact that you recommend no cdr or any way of sustaining your mana. I also max wave in most lanes for lots of reasons.

This is just meh. Also, please god remove the jungle ma section.

This guide is completely all my own work most of the other Karma guides are outdated anyways but If there is something of mine that is the same on someone else's guide tell me so I can at least credit them

Eh I cannot help it but either this guide is not new or you took parts from other guides because I remember that table pretty well. But it sure wasn't from this guide.

I published it just get it out there and I am revising it as I finish it. There is always little things you didn't notice as first that need to be fixed shortly after releasing a guide. I will get right on that

I've found that with a little bit of mana control you don't need Athene's the CDR is nice but I'm not using Mantra enough to benefit from the huge boost. I will add it to the Last Item section. I would like to know what else is wrong so I can fix it.

And then follow that by fixing the rest of the guide...

No Athene's Unholy Grail?

Much as I love the detail and effort you've put into this, there's quite a bit wrong.