wow really, listen i understand your point but did you not see the do not vote this was not supposed to be published is no where near done??? i mean really people if this keeps up im gona have to completely scrap this cause of down votes form people who cant read and start over and hope i dont publish that early too by mistake. not trying to rage here but im not sure how much more clear the DO NOT VOTE has to be at the top of this guide.

I disagree with alot of the logic in this guide and agree with many of the numerour explainations above me.

thank you. Again as i said in an earlier comment that i was messing around with the bbcodeing and went to hit view but instead hit publish instead and since there is no fail safe on mobafire for stuff like this it published it.

Also i am very aware of the current meta. This is curently a theoritcal guide i was working on while experimenting with my premade buddies on how to counter the curent meta. I do however see what your saying (which most of which was already said). Also if you know of anyway to remove this guide that would be great because it was by no means meant to viewed yet much less viable.

Also you asked for explanation, I haven't had time to write much on rumble or pantheon yet. Pantheon can mid against any champion, and rumble, who is underused for some reason, is also incredibly dominant mid as a melee caster. Due to not having enough time yet i havnt included the section on when to use this. Right now it can ONLY be used in premade teams where your teammates are aware of what your doing and play accordingly (like i said its something were trying and not really expecting to catch on yet). The only exception to this would be when you go solo que and realize that everyone and yourself auto locked without a true mid so u go hey i can mid with this person.

anyway thanks for the advice and any help you got concerning removing it would be appreciated.

First off, I'm not sure you exactly know the current Meta... AD carries don't mid. They go bot with a support. while the ap carry goes mid. That is because AP carries scale with levels very well, while AD carries just scale with items- so they are ok sharing exp with a support as long as they get all the cs.

Now to your idea. I'll be completely honest, I don't understand it. AT ALL.
-Dueling... OK you send a great champion that can dominate solo top to die vs mages who can -easily harrasing from a far and deny him exp and gold.
-Defensive Aggression... Basically let the enemy ap carry free farm as much as he want while you strugle to last hit under tower. Or, he just won't push the lane, and deny you exp and gold.

Really, I just don't get your idea. For my understanding, you want to send someone who isn't really good for mid- mid, and then send your AP carry to jungle or put your AD carry in a due lane with an offtank... What is the point of this man?!

To me this sounds really useless and even... stupid... So the -1. If you think I didn't understand it right, then please explain to me again, and I will change my thoughts about this guide.

Now, other than that, this guide is terribly short for a guide about a new Meta, It doesn't look good aesthetically, and it has some wrong information- like Mid match ups are AD carry vs AD carry. I recommend that you will try to improve your guide in these areas.

Last thing: You wrote "So be ready (aka buy wards and make sure teammates call mia/ss depending on what server were on *wink* see i got you somewhat covered too my European players)"
If you want to be ready for ganks, you should check your minimap.I never write ss/mia, I have no idea who invented it and why.You have a mini map,look at it. You wrote make sure that your teamates call mia. How the hell am I supposed to make sure that they do?!Either they do, or they don't. Thats why you should look at the minimap. Only time Ill write SS is if I see a fight/gank in other lane and I clearly see my enemy laner going out of the lane toward that lane to join the fight. And even then Illjust ping so they'll see it for sure.

Anyway, as you asked, I explained exactly why I did -1, and I hope you can learn from my comment and use it to improve your guide :)

AD carries don't mid. Only some AD carries can counter other specific champs at mid.

That may work if you would want people to not vote on your guide at the moment, when you are done with your reconstruction please send me a quick message and I will be happy to reconsider my vote. Good luck with your guide!

whoa didnt catch that I had ashe v ashe, thanks for pointing that out. Again I must emphasize that this a very unfinished build. I was working with the BBcoding of what I had put in so far and went to hit preview and I hit publish instead, and since there is no "do wish to publish this" warning it just published it. So if anyone knows how to remove my guide from the published list that would be great. Also if there is no way to move it back to where its just an unpublished build would putting in big bright letters UNDER MAJOR CONSTRUCTION DO NOT VOTE AT THIS TIME, work? anyway thanks for your thoughts and your time.

This isn't a terrible idea, I just feel you are a bit off track. You aren't totally updated with today's Meta, you where talking about how Ashe would fight Ashe mid or something like that, but however most of the time it is a Mage mid lane, because AD champions just need farm while AP mage champions scale off of levels. Also, having a melee bruiser mid may be a good counter for some champions, like Nunu & Willump can destroy heimer, but for the most part you will see your mid taking lots of damage and hugging the tower most of the time. If they choose to play your aggressive play-style you will be poked and harassed, forcing you to the tower once again. If you do manage to play well against the opposing mage, a jungler could rip you in half when you are moving farther in the lane to get minions.

under stood and thanks for your thoughts. Like i said I didn't mean to publish it yet so i haven't gotten to my main champions for doing this. I have friends who go mid with rumble, shaco, jarvan and its almost a guaranteed win. Also as i haven't gotten to yet also pantheon is basically a melee champ who was designed for mid. The only person i cant really say with as pantheon in mid (if not beat) is leblanc.

again thank you for your points and your time.

I understand where you're going with this, and do give you kudos for trying a new idea. But as I look down your reasoning and lists of champions, I can't help but notice that the current meta still holds the advantage. Having the mage in mid is done for a number of reasons now. One is the mage is ranged, making farming easier because you must be very cautious of ganks. Also, a mage's poke is safer because it requires one spell and then retreat. This means that the entire time your "offensive" mid is trying to farm, hes being poked at, and really not threatening the enemy mage or his farm. Now your offensive mid might counter this by attacking alot, but any good jungler will see this coming, and make mince meat out of you. In your "defensive" case, sure they may be able to sustain the turret, but they would struggle in farming constantly being under their turret, and the poke of these champs is terrible, which makes it hard for your jungler to help you out.