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Offtanks, The New Metagame.

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Quote \| PM \| +Rep by DuffTime » March 16, 2012 12:08pm \| Report SoulofApocalpse wrote: Thank you very much for the heads up. Will certainly start playing more with lee sin, instead of spamming irelia all games xD BTW, Awesome guide ;D Yeap, Lee Sin baby! Nighthawk wrote: lol as a luxury item damage is fine, no biggie. But lategame you get more burst from Scepter, end of story. Having to auto attack someone =/= burst. Also I personally don't think Lich is all that great on Morde, but wtf, why go tank? Ever. EVAAAH. You could not be any more incorrect. Lich Bane gives you more burst than Abyssal does, and there is literally no arguing this. How can you even think otherwise? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard lolz. Tanky Morde is the best way to go. In lane spellvamp and AP, and later transitioning into a tanky Morde is really strong. Babriel wrote: Dude really? Having to autoattack someone makes no difference if you have a gap closer, which i know sion doesnt. BUT he has a 1.5 second stun(aka even better since they are locked down under tons of damage), as well as having 8% more move speed from lich bane, and sion is very fast. You will close that distance in less than a second. Also, sions ap scaling on his abilites is good, 90%, but with a level 5 e up, combined with your already about 350+ ap you will probably autoattack for at least 500 damage. This is after the 500+ damage from you stun. 1000 damage and a 1.5 second stun put down in under a second, and thats not good burst? EDIT: Lich bane also gives more AP anyway :P He's high on some hard drugs or hard trolling or something. There's no way a person could really believe what he's saying. Lethadind wrote: I don't know if someone has mentioned this yet, likely they have with 137 pages of comments that I'm not going to sift through, but you haven't changed it in your guide yet if they have. Thank you for your effort, but it doesn't play out, and it's not been changed because it doesn't play out. Effective health is ******** and it's even worse in games with % reduction on statistics. Thanks for the thought though! Cheers. Learn the true S3 op, Tryndamere! http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/duffs-season-3-hamdamere-296968 Like my official DuffTime Facebook page! http://www.facebook.com/DuffTime Follow me on Twitter, @RealDuffTime Come hang out when I'm streaming! http://www.twitch.tv/dufftime	DuffTime Renowned (655) Posts: 12064 Joined: 2010-10-31 IGN: DuffTime on NA View My Blog

Quote \| PM \| +Rep by Lethadind » March 16, 2012 8:52pm \| Report DuffTime wrote: Thank you for your effort, but it doesn't play out, and it's not been changed because it doesn't play out. Effective health is ******** and it's even worse in games with % reduction on statistics. Thanks for the thought though! Cheers. Errr...doesn't play out? No idea what that means. That's how the math works bro. It's math, whether you agree that effective health is what it is or not, the reduction is exactly how it works. I agree that "effective health" is not necessarily as powerful as it seems (I think that's what you're saying), but the myth that there are diminishing returns is 100% false. The 101st point of armor does exactly the same as the 1st, in terms of your physical damage survivability. Please enlighten me as to what you mean, because apparently there are differences in understanding here. The only possibility I can think of is % damage reduction items like Ninja Tabi that would screw with the math, but those are so few and far between that that can't possibly be what you're talking about.	Lethadind Unremarkable (2) Posts: 24 Joined: 2012-02-04 IGN: Lethadind on NA

Quote \| PM \| +Rep by DuffTime » March 18, 2012 10:04pm \| Report Not going to discuss this again unfortunately. Done it too many times. Learn the true S3 op, Tryndamere! http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/duffs-season-3-hamdamere-296968 Like my official DuffTime Facebook page! http://www.facebook.com/DuffTime Follow me on Twitter, @RealDuffTime Come hang out when I'm streaming! http://www.twitch.tv/dufftime	DuffTime Renowned (655) Posts: 12064 Joined: 2010-10-31 IGN: DuffTime on NA View My Blog

Quote \| PM \| +Rep by ElderWand » March 25, 2012 4:53am \| Report +1 I liked the concept but down-voted for attitude ;)	ElderWand Posts: 1 Joined: 2012-03-25 IGN: cGraveDocteur

Quote \| PM \| +Rep by DuffTime » March 26, 2012 10:10am \| Report Good for you *******! Don't wink at me kid. Winks are for women, friends, and family. You are not my friend or my family, and women don't exist on the internet. Flattering though, really. Learn the true S3 op, Tryndamere! http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/duffs-season-3-hamdamere-296968 Like my official DuffTime Facebook page! http://www.facebook.com/DuffTime Follow me on Twitter, @RealDuffTime Come hang out when I'm streaming! http://www.twitch.tv/dufftime	DuffTime Renowned (655) Posts: 12064 Joined: 2010-10-31 IGN: DuffTime on NA View My Blog

Quote \| PM \| +Rep by Imdrail » April 2, 2012 10:47am \| Report What do you think about warwick as offtank? He has a great sustain early to mid game coming with a lot of damage and late game he is usually so fed, that you can hardly kill him 3vs1 Nice guide right now trying to play irelia :P	Imdrail Unremarkable (1) Posts: 9 Joined: 2011-11-22

Quote \| PM \| +Rep by Lord Drek » April 2, 2012 12:03pm \| Report Very nice guide on the meta though, i'd like to say that the guy descrribing tanky DPS Irelia didnt miss it totaly. you said : "Seriously guy, you're way out of your league right now. You're describing a tanky DPS Irelia build, or perhaps a modified Off-tank. (Not even)" Well, but the point is, why waste Irelia's gerat damage potential? you need 2 more DMG items, that are half defensive, and you're super ultra carry for just that 5.8k of bonus gold. You may say you proc Sheen on Irelia 24/7 "her Q procs it automaticlly, her R does 4 procs..." But, do you? Usually, when you charge in twamfight, you spamm the sh#t outa yourself, and go Q-W-E-R-R-R-R in a matter of 3-5 seconds.. That is only 2-3 procs, So actually, you dont end up doing much damage with trinity tank setup at all. IF you build Irelia this way : Mercury's Treads, Wit's End, Trinity Force, Randuin's Omen, Banshee's Veil and finally, Madred's Bloodrazor, your Hiten Style becomes your main DMG output, as it should be. 75(W) +180(AD) +4%HP +42/Wit) +150%AD +120(Q) is a sick nuke, which will deal around 670 dmg, no rsistances factored, not to mention your AS is about 1.5-6 which means 75+180+120+42 1.5 times / 1 sec is quite fearsome dps... While secrefising only little points of armor and mr, as you end up with 220 of both, having bad dimishing returns alrdy... IF you buid, trinity tank way, you get to 300 armor, which is pretty useless, and tbh, bruisers,tanks, off tanks ignore you, and carry can outheal a big part of your damage on him. Trust me, i experianced it, i plaid 300 games with Trinuty tank Irelia. Then i swiched onto Tanky DPS, when i came to higher ELO, because Trinity tank is just not enought dmg, sadly.. i had some beast scores with Trinity tank way tho. But +1 in general, love how you explain it all :) (I expect an reply to this, tho) Please check my In-Depth Irelia guide :Irelia, The Hand of Justice. +Rep me if it helped you :D If you wanna be a boss, +Rep me anyways :)	Lord Drek Notable (28) Posts: 173 Joined: 2011-12-29 IGN: Lord Drek on EUNE

Quote \| PM \| +Rep by DuffTime » April 2, 2012 2:03pm \| Report Imdrail wrote: What do you think about warwick as offtank? He has a great sustain early to mid game coming with a lot of damage and late game he is usually so fed, that you can hardly kill him 3vs1 Nice guide right now trying to play irelia :P Yeah since his rework it works well enough :P Lord Drek wrote: Very nice guide on the meta though, i'd like to say that the guy descrribing tanky DPS Irelia didnt miss it totaly. you said : "Seriously guy, you're way out of your league right now. You're describing a tanky DPS Irelia build, or perhaps a modified Off-tank. (Not even)" Well, but the point is, why waste Irelia's gerat damage potential? you need 2 more DMG items, that are half defensive, and you're super ultra carry for just that 5.8k of bonus gold. You may say you proc Sheen on Irelia 24/7 "her Q procs it automaticlly, her R does 4 procs..." But, do you? Usually, when you charge in twamfight, you spamm the sh#t outa yourself, and go Q-W-E-R-R-R-R in a matter of 3-5 seconds.. That is only 2-3 procs, So actually, you dont end up doing much damage with trinity tank setup at all. IF you build Irelia this way : Mercury's Treads, Wit's End, Trinity Force, Randuin's Omen, Banshee's Veil and finally, Madred's Bloodrazor, your Hiten Style becomes your main DMG output, as it should be. 75(W) +180(AD) +4%HP +42/Wit) +150%AD +120(Q) is a sick nuke, which will deal around 670 dmg, no rsistances factored, not to mention your AS is about 1.5-6 which means 75+180+120+42 1.5 times / 1 sec is quite fearsome dps... While secrefising only little points of armor and mr, as you end up with 220 of both, having bad dimishing returns alrdy... IF you buid, trinity tank way, you get to 300 armor, which is pretty useless, and tbh, bruisers,tanks, off tanks ignore you, and carry can outheal a big part of your damage on him. Trust me, i experianced it, i plaid 300 games with Trinuty tank Irelia. Then i swiched onto Tanky DPS, when i came to higher ELO, because Trinity tank is just not enought dmg, sadly.. i had some beast scores with Trinity tank way tho. But +1 in general, love how you explain it all :) (I expect an reply to this, tho) Thanks for the response. Actually he did completely miss the mark. This is not a guide about the best way to build Irelia. This is a guide about how to Offtank with various champions. Besides he didn't even really describe tanky DPS. He essentially described a build you might use on Corki. So yeah he was way off. If you enjoy Tanky DPS Irelia that's great, this guide isn't about that though. :P I won't consider your experience more valid than mine, as I've also played hundreds and hundreds of games, but I appreciate the feedback. This guide is really old though, not everything in it is fully relevant now but it does have some good information which is why I haven't archived it. Cheers ^_^ Learn the true S3 op, Tryndamere! http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/duffs-season-3-hamdamere-296968 Like my official DuffTime Facebook page! http://www.facebook.com/DuffTime Follow me on Twitter, @RealDuffTime Come hang out when I'm streaming! http://www.twitch.tv/dufftime	DuffTime Renowned (655) Posts: 12064 Joined: 2010-10-31 IGN: DuffTime on NA View My Blog

Quote \| PM \| +Rep by Lord Drek » April 3, 2012 3:34am \| Report Well, yea ur right, he missed it totaly :P And yeah, Irelia with Croki build sure isnt the best :3 Just got the feeling you never tried Tanky DPS Irelia, or think she's patethic with Tanky DPS, but you don't as it seems :D "I won't consider your experience more valid than mine, as I've also played hundreds and hundreds of games, but I appreciate the feedback." I said that about the games so you wouldn't treat me like a guy saying soemthing he does not know, i didnt say im more experianced with you (not even with Irelia). Yeah, it was fun when i was reading that what you were saying about future meta, and it actually is the meta now.. tho i was wondering if you know how to caunter this meta? Im a solotop fan, but im still gettign sick of this meta, always the same. Thanks for reply :) Please check my In-Depth Irelia guide :Irelia, The Hand of Justice. +Rep me if it helped you :D If you wanna be a boss, +Rep me anyways :)	Lord Drek Notable (28) Posts: 173 Joined: 2011-12-29 IGN: Lord Drek on EUNE

Quote \| PM \| +Rep by Wiwe » April 3, 2012 7:50am \| Report Hi Dufftime, I'm not sure where to put this post. But I'm really grateful for all the guides that you make. I've tried a few and they are really good, the only reason I usually lose is because my team is bad:(. An example of the teams I usually play with: Once when I played vayne and followed your 'REAL VAYNE' build. I pinged twice to signal that I wanted to start a teamfight at mid lane. So, I ulti and flash in and the tank just STAYS there, why didn't he flash in after me to tank?! Anyway, I managed to use my E on their ad carry to shoot him away so he couldn't damage me, then I started shooting at volibear who were on half hp. AND WHAT IS MY TEAM DOING MEANWHILE?! Camping at the turret. Then calling me a noob cause I die... It's THEIR fault ffs... They also complained about me focusing volibear cause he is a tank. But OFC I should focus him since he was staking health and my W and madreds do max hp based damage. I really liked your karthus guide too. It works REALLY well. In the first game I played using your build I got 7/5/11 (I have only played one) and won the game. Idk why our singed called me a troll, even though he was the best player on our team, he only had 10/7/13, not THAT big difference. And besides, their karthus had 4/11/4. Keep the good work up DuffTime! Thanks / Wiwe	Wiwe Posts: 8 Joined: 2012-04-02