Tryndamere Build Guide by Apotheosis

@ Nubtrain:

I know that I said I needed more out of your videos, but let's work with what you have, and will learn, over the coarse of time that it takes me to achieve my clips. I'll let you know when I'm ready, if you are.

nice guide. i always used the same runes to trynda. everyone uses as gylphs to him which is useless. with armor mr runes trynda will dominate early and farm. lategame pwnage:D items re nice too. i just dont like fon banshee on him. i prefer guardian angel. if u cant cast ulti it saves u and if u cast and still fight it saves u too. even if u cast ulti fight and leave the fight, u can go back in:D guardian angel is just perfect for him. with runes mercury and guardian angel. he has like 150 armor and mr which makes him cool tankyXD good guide anyways:D

=/ Your guide makes me kinda sad.

I appreciate the work and detail you've put in, and I'm glad it's helped a lot of people.

Since it was top rated, I figured I'd sit down and read how you went about this.

To my disappointment, a LOT of what you say is flat-out wrong, and you miss out on big issues in areas in which you attempt to go in-depth.

Brief Examples:

Flat-out Wrong: You recommend flash over ghost. No tryn over 2k ELO takes flash over ghost. Not one.

Not Enough Information: You left out really important warding spots for top and bot (the other bushes).

Misinformation/Misconception: You talk about Tryn being primarily endgame in your pros/cons. You also mention how at high ELO, Tryn has to carry at all stages. You fail to mention that Tryn is extremely subpar endgame at high ELO.

To be honest, there are dozens upon dozens of more cases like these. For example, you didn't even mention teleport in potential summoner spells, you talk about green elixir being the best starting jungle item, when vamp scepter is considered vastly superior, and you said Tryn is the best champ to carry with, when he's actually extremely more team dependent than, say, Yi.

I understand your effort and I understand that my guide is not detailed, nor is it meant to be, so I hope your response won't derail in that direction.

It just makes me sad that so many people are getting incorrect information from a guide that attempts to be thorough and informed.

@ z3rg3m3n:

How about this, don't derail a guide that's taken a lot of effort to put together. It's not easy to go back and find all the information that needs to be fixed because it is very time consuming. I do proofread and review my guide whenever I can and keep the guide as updated as possible. However, just because you may live in a single bedroom apartment playing LoL all day possibly jobless doesn't give you the right to immediately assume and shut down your competition. You should instead be working on your own guide and answering the questions from your dedicated readers. You don't appreciate anything from me, so don't act like you do. Your job is to distract readers from my "popular" guide and direct traffic to your own. This is a poor way of doing so and I'm disappointed that you're the first person to do this; a Tryndamere guide author. I don't even consider you competition because we're all here to give our own opinions.

So, these are the comments I get from Mr. "2k ELO" himself:

Who says that? I'm not you or the competition nor are many of the viewers who come to this site 2k rated. You'd better come to my threads with an explanation for your **** talk because you have a way of never fully explaining why you recommend what you do (based off your comment to me).

Simply put, I don't gggiiivvveee a ****. I'll have to become the first I guess.



Really? Are you really going to talk **** on my explanations again? You contradict yourself:



Why the **** wouldn't I bring this up? You're trying to belittle me and this guide **********er.



I'm not going to go over that first part of this statement again. Green elixir is superior for Tryn jungle for a fast/secure clear leading to earlier gank possibilities with better stat when compared to VS. VS is great with more damage, thus is why it's put off until later. I know I didn't specifically say Tryn was the best champ to carry with, but rather he had the potential. However, it's my mistake not to have written that he is extremely dependent of his team, but you will see it written in the cons section.



Again, another "sympathy" statement. I never gave "incorrect information" because guides aren't created as factual information. If we were all perfect, then this could be true. Everyone's guide, particularly yours and my own in this case, are entirely based off of our own opinions, ideas and suggestions. You have my word that I will never go to your own or anyone's guide and bash them directly because I didn't completely agree with their ideas, suggestions, or opinions. Instead, I would give my opinions, ideas and suggestions to that guide creator if I was to review it as a way for the author to look at new possibilities. So, for eg: I don't personally have a problem with you or anyone else choosing Ghost versus Flash because it is your own preference that you would use the spell. You have convinced me in no way of switching my preferred spell nor will I recommend through my own guide that Ghost should be selected over Flash. But guess what! Thanks to the guide description area, I can let readers know that Ghost is an acceptable option! Isn't that great!


Do you really want to know why this guide is so successful? Here, I'll tell you and maybe you'll find it beneficial: It's because I'm not a jackass. I respond to questions and comments unlike yourself. Your problem is probably the same as the pros from this site: they make a guide and leave it without any care to update or answer questions. Why else would this be the most popular guide on the entire site? It may not be the "best guide", but then why would this guide have so much discussion? If you weren't such an a-hole you would give your opinions, ideas and suggestions just like everyone else does and the worst that could happen would be a suggestion from myself to you if I had an objection to what was said. You don't belong in this community and you're a disgrace to all of this site's members. I will always respect the members opinions (unless they act improper), but you have lost my respect and I could give a **** less if you care. Don't come back here or I'll have the mod's remove what you have to say. Have a nice life, peace ;)

P.S.: Fix your signature, it's large as hell and takes this page forever to load/format. That's also my suggestion to you for your own guide thread. Hope this helps ;)

i have a question what if you are against a team with almost only melee and no magic champs.
wouldnt be atma's impaler a good item to get seeming it gives crit changes which is needed on tryandereme and it gives a good amout of armor and a nice AD boost

^ if ur going atmas, u better be building a warmogs or something that will make that item useful.

Why wouldn't you get a Thornmail then? Atmas + Warmogs is an expensive combo and it's unnecessary and usually not beneficial to get both on Tryndamere.

@Apotheosis: You seem to be very mature, and your arguments are well thought-out.

I would recommend you not to resort to ad hominem and other logical fallacies and assumptions next time, however.

I would debunk your statements, but I think you might be a little too sensitive for it to be productive.

If you ever wish to have a legitimate discussion without you misinterpreting my intent and without calling me a "**********er/jackass" who "**** talks," I'll be glad to offer my reasoning.

Also, I guess you can sum things up to preference, but I doubt that any competent player would legitimately argue that taking Rally is better than taking Flash, for example. Just the same, good players would not recommend Flash over Ghost, on Tryndamere.

Cheers,

z3rg3m3n

@ z3rg3m3n:

First of all, let me be the first to say: Welcome to my guide's thread. This is where I can act in any fashion that I'd like against bashers.

You came to my guide and acted in an improper manner as I've previously stated. I would've acted in an entirely different way if you had just sent me a PM versus acting like an *** in public.

Welcome to the internet where words and "discussions" are interpreted as they are by others because there is no direct way to prove one's emotions or feelings on a topic, etc. If you want to have a nice conversation and/or legit arguement, you may come back here and fully explain yourself without saying **** like: Talk such as this is where I might be "misinterpreting your intent". So maybe you need to sit down and think real hard before you talk with others or talk about me misinterpreting your intent. If I came to your guide and said that it makes me sad, I'm quite sure you wouldn't be happy thus you would take what I said the wrong way when I mean't no harm. Even still, there's no way that wasn't mean't to harm me so I rest my case.

Ugh :/

Why I.E. First item?