great guide, made an account just to comment :) i agree that the black cleaver is super good now but your guide could use more organisation and bbcode. excellent guide though!

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Youmuu's is a **** item. The Brutalizer is a good, cheap item you can get to boost your early-game, but late-game, it's such a tiny thing compared to IE, BT, and LW. When you finish your build you should just sell The Brutalizer to get another BT or something, because Youmuu's only gives you like, 5 more AD and 5 more ArPen than The Brutalizer. A raw 100 AD will benefit you much more. CDR isn't necessary either.

Lethality, Vampirism and Sorcery are all bad, or at least, so small you won't notice the difference in any game.

If you take Sorcery and your ult comes off of CD a second before you were going to die, it still would have come off of CD in time if you hadn't taken Sorcery.

Lethality is good on AD carries, but you have such small crit chance, and only get that crit chance so late into the game, that it doesn't end up making any difference. Whether you take Lethality or not, you're still going to insta-gib AD carries in teamfights.

If you narrowly manage to win a fight against someone which you started on very low HP, it wasn't the 3% lifesteal that saved you, it was the other 20% lifesteal you had that saved you.

The numbers are so small that they literally make absolutely no difference to your game-play, so you can take whatever you want and it wouldn't matter. You just need to put points in at least one of them to get to the next branch, so close your eyes and pour random points into something. It won't make a difference.

Youmuu's is definitely a good option for lategame. The issue is, the money could be spent much better on other items. If you've got the rest of your build complete, then by all means finish your Youmuu's.

As for Lethality and Vampirism vs. Sorcery, I find Sorcery much more useful. Talon is so limited by his cooldowns, he needs all the CDR he can get. You shouldn't be autoattacking enemies more than once or twice, so crit chance and lifesteal aren't as necessary as CDR. Plus, you already get plenty of lifesteal from the Bloodthirster(s).

Of course, it doesn't make that much of a difference anyway, so do whatever feels best.

talon is my main and i agree with what most of this guide offers, the only thing i dont understand is why you wouldnt finish your brutalizer into a youmuus somewhere in the lategame. also I think the offensive tree could use lethality and vampirism as apposed to sorcery