I've more and more recently thought about Quinn support. Not necessarily a full-support, but definitely the more supporting half of a duo adc bot lane. Her slow + blind and CC assist her in this. Regardless, it takes care to play her as a support, so make sure you know who you are duoing with beforehand.

Incorrect, because that is not an argument, but a CLAIM. If the validity of the claim is not seen in and of itself, then the validity is yet to be established. Which means you cannot say that it is either valid or invalid.

Even the statement 'bread is fish' is a claim. Upon examination, it becomes invalid (actually, it doesn't, it just becomes false, not invalid), but the claim in and of itself is not invalid.

Similarly, with the 'Support Quinn is not viable', you cannot say whether this statement is valid or invalid, because it is just a claim. It is upon examination we find whether or not the argument behind this statement is valid or not.

In addition, we are not obliged to give feedback or reasons as to why we think this guide is bad. Whereon are we obliged to? And whereon does it make our votes less valid if we do not give a reason? I'm not obliged to help, nor argue my position. We see many trash guides every day. I don't think it's really worth my time to point out all the things wrong in a guide, or even any of them. It'll get enough downvotes over time.

no, it logically stands, if you argue, with no ground to stand on, your argument is invalid, make a better argument.

if I say bread = fish and give no empirical evidence, my argument is invalid.

Actually, that doesn't logically stand. Just because I don't state reasons as to why something is bad, does not mean that the view that that something is bad is suddenly invalid. If I say something is bad, it is not an argument and hence is not invalid in and of itself. I would have only made a claim, which is yet to be validated.

the reason that Quinn isn't suited to support is that her kit simply isn't made to be so.

Though I can see the advantages to a support Quinn, I don't think they justify her as a support. She's not particularly tanky, and due to Blinding Assault's high mana costs, she can't harass a lot in lane compared to, say, Lulu or Sona. Also, due to the fact that your primarily buying support focused items, her abilities, which already have poor scalings, won't do a lot of damage. A support Quinn also can't bring nearly as much to a teamfight as a conventional support like Taric, who has a heal, a stun, and 2 team buffs, or Leona, who has 3 CC abilities.

Also, Quinn doesn't have "a silence", she has a blind. Enemies can still cast abilities, just not auto-attacks.

Guide viability aside, you really need to expand on what you have. Why Quinn support over a more conventional support? Why item 'A' and not item 'B'? You need to justify your choices.

The reason why she makes a good AD carry, plus the attack speed buff from W and her dueling potential with her Q and valor form

you're looking at her entirely the wrong way, and I wouldn't classify her as a "late game hypercarry" I'd classify vayne as a late game hypercarry. The truth of the matter is, she's one of the worst itemizing champions in the game (see also, her ad ratios are garbage, 50% on an inconsistent at best passive, followed by arguably her best ratio, a measly 65% skillshot with blind on a long cooldown, a 20% with slow and a hop, and a 50% to 100% scaling ad ratio based on lost enemy health)

you can't deny the fact that she FALLS OFF RIDICULOUSLY HARD.

also, since when did I say that heightened senses was the reason to run her support? if you're laning with a caitlyn, your e sets her up for an easy extra headshot/piltover, it sets up your ashe to start a slowing chain with no problem, to be honest, it sets up just about any AD carry for a VERY easy harass, not to mention letting you get an extra easy hit in on them. the blind denies ad carries in early confrontations, and helps you zone the **** out of your opponents. also, I NEVER run into mana problems on quinn. it just doesn't happen.

tl:dr Quinn is an EXCELLENT debuff support, you fail to see beyond her ability to reveal brush. If you're too blind to see beyond your my way or the highway method of thinking then I'm sorry I can't help you.

also, she trades with the best of them in laning phase, due to her passive/e. I hardly ever find myself using the q, only for a blind when the enemy AD carry decides to go all in.

Your masteries are 0/7/22 which makes 29 points. 0/9/21 is more optimal, but 0/13/17 is much better. Your utility tree is specced wrongly. Drop Awareness and Artificer and get Mastermind and Intelligence instead.



Okay, if you really want it, I shall explain why this is an amazingly stupid idea.

1. You're taking one of the best late-game hypercarries and playing her as a support.

2. Itemization problems. Quinn has zero AP scalings, which severely restricts her build options.

3. Her Q. The mana cost on Blinding Assault is extremely high, and Quinn has bad natural mana growth.

4. Her W. Heightened Senses is NOT a valid reason to play Quinn as a support. The other part of the skill - the attack speed buff - is wasted.

5. Her E. Vault is an unreliable gap closer and an unreliable escape. That means you'll get owned by tanky kill laners such as Taric.

6. Her R - tag team - is completely wasted.

7. She is squishy and has short range. See point 5.

If you're getting Avarice Blade, it's assumed you're killing minions and champions.

Hint hint. Supports shouldn't have a CS unless their carry has recalled. In other words, Avarice Blade is not worth its cost. At all. Considering it takes 30 minutes to pay off Kage's Lucky Pick, which is cheaper AND gives more gp10.

yeah, extreme amounts of hate for everyone knocking this guide and not specifying WHY. If you don't give reasons/alternatives your argument is invalid.

Thanks for feedback! Could you perhaps recommend a better alternative? That could help a lot. :)

Just an idea for Quinn support.