General Guide by Customtm

nice and detailed. +1

Dude, this guide really sucks. No boots? Yeah, i read that section. So you mean you rather have a ****ty Phantom Dancer on an Off-Tank than 25 much needed tenacity? You surely have no clue exactly how this game works and how important tenacity is.

Please, rewrite this guide so it actually makes sense.

Edit: Infinity Edge on Malphite, Cho'Gath and Yorick? gg roflstomping pub games lol.

Thank you m8

If this guide was about offtanks you were right but it's not and guess what, it's not meant to be one as the headline should say? Maybe I have to get myself more clear about that, thx.

Tenacity is something that is important in case you want to go full ****** mode that's true. In this case try to build Olaf T-DPS and enjoy your ride in the crowd, you won't need any tenacity. Then ask yourself how many characters got a way to deal with CC

As I recommend the defense masteries anyways you can pick cleanse (if you have to) and be totally fine as 21 includes tenacity as well and you can remove whatever you want.

However if you play smart and count CCs you might know when to go in and when not. My gameplay doesn't work like yours and that's maybe because you play offtanks?

In any case rework your post to a more detailed one that actually is useful for me. Because saying X is **** and X is **** won't help me at all figuring why it's ****. Get it?

I recommend you also to read guides and try to figure whether the guide is good or not. As long as I am not wrong it's not about rating the item build is it? If it is I'm sorry about misunderstanding your flame.

Dude, YOU NEED BOOTS! Also, each individual champion uses some items and people like Malphite aren't meant to deal a lot of damage. Therefore, these builds are not viable and if you don't believe me, try it for yourself before actually publishing these.

I don't need boots. Full stop. I already explained why and how you don't need to build boots if not Boots of Speed for the early game. I don't see your argument at all, you don't even have one! What exactly make u think that?

Malphite is not supposed to deal damage? First of all why do he got something to increase his AD by 40% and deal splash damage? To tank right, rofl. Regardless whether he should or not he CAN deal damage, hell if you want you can build him AP it will work, not only in low elo.

And that last point is simply bad. Of course I did try these builds, first in custom games to see their effectiveness in 1 vs 1, then in normals and even in ranked, I play these builds. Seen my T-DPS Malphite? He has a 75% win ratio. Don't tell me things are not viable if YOU didn't try them. YOU just stated it wasn't without an idea how to play them or give it a shot. I bet with you.

Very intresting guide!!!I try the builds and its so fu....ing awsome OMG wtf man are you Doctor Freak or something? for god sake very good job.My enemeis was like....Unbelieveable! How is he generating that much power!?For me you have made A NEW META BUILD FOR SURE.....

Thx m8, I'm glad you tried and enjoyed it :)

and no I ain't Doc freak or whatever, I just played a lot of games and made some thoughts :P

Sooooo, where does the "New meta" come from? Most junglers and solo tops are tanky dps champs. I mean, i'm not voting down or up, but i don't see the whole point to this guide. You explain weird but somewhat viable theories like the "no boots" section. but the trinity force isn't needed on all champs. Take darius for instance, he's naturally slow, putting the trinity wastes the AP, though he benefits from the rest of the stats thats a wasted element in the item. phantom dancer and warmogs are also a nice, classic tanky items. Overall, not trying this, seems pointless and early game, you'll be so slow with the lack of boots that you'll just be CC'd then killed instantly.

Hm, I dunno where you are playing but on EU West the current meta in jungle and solo top is still offtanks, AD caster glass canon or really bad T-DPS builds which are pretty rare.

I dunno whether you read Duff's Offtank guide, which I highly recommend to do, but he didn't invent the new meta of offtanks, indeed it was already there in EU when he wrote the guide. But still he brought to paper things that I didn't know at this point and even more. It helped me a lot.

So why am I writing this guide then? To mess up the common concept of having X and trying new things that are not common. Do you really think I am the only one that leaves boots? I wouldn't agree there, neither with the invention of T-DPS builds.

But still, I haven't seen any good T-DPS builds yet, they all lack something, let it be MR or health. There is no way T-DPS can work because of the limits this game sets. And that's where I write this guide to show others how you could build in order to leave items that everybody needs.

Long post again but it is kinda hard to explain, I'm sorry.

And last thing about the boots: I do build boots. Every jungler has to have boots, even tier 2. I even recommend them in the section of situational items. Don't be a fool and think I walk around the map with my Zeal only and call it a day :) The whole point is that you won't see me having boots late game.

Meh another thing about Trinity Force on Darius: I like the item on him and it works very well but since you are no fan of it why don't you just use this guide and build him the way you like? You can take another Phantom Dancer for the same amount of movement speed and enjoy the AP-free part. Or whatever, it's not meant to be a concrete item build that has to be used. Adapt it as you wish, as long as you meet the requirements of the list, go ahead, try it in some games and if it works, gj! That's what I want.

But thank you very much for 1. Your time to read and write a comment 2. Not down voting just because you disagree with the idea 3. Constructive critism, you gave me some ideas where I have to be more detailed. Thanks a lot for that and take +1 rep from me!