Mordekaiser General Guide by Augman

I'll do you a favour and tell you what is wrong with the build. Hell I won't even downvote it.

Start at summoner spells. Flash ignite, great start!

Skill order. EQWEER. A little odd (You want EQE or EWE) but not too bad.

Runes! Oh boy. HP/level? 180 hp at level 18 is so insignificant. Although you did say you can replace with armour, so I'll let this slide. Blues should be Mresist/level. Health quints are **** (They equal 2 minion spells each, whoopdedoo!), full mpen, swiftness or AP would be better.

Masteries - Defense is lousy for Morde, especially 21 in defense. Don't waste points in there. Utility or offense is far superior.

Items - Warmogs is a terrible item for you. Morde doesn't need HP. If you really need HP, get Rylai's and if you're really desperate grab a damn sunfire (Please don't get a sunfire on Morde). Sorc boots are fine, start regrowth is fine. In comments somewhere I think I saw you or someone else suggest a Frozen mallet. Hold the **** up! Do NOT give Morde Frozen mallet. Just NO. Randuins is ok, but enough with health please (You might want to start the heart of gold after opening for a bit more money though). FoN - You're playing tank Morde, I see this. But Morde is not a proper tank. There is no reason for a team to go after you instead of that Cait or Graves or Vayne especially since you lack damage. Gunblade is ok, but consider WoTa to support team.

Too much bloody HP. Morde should not be stacking HP items since he gets enough bonus health from shield.

"when you get into a 1v1, most of the time, you will start to lose"
This quote of your guide sums up why they downvote. Morde is a beast 1 v 1 if built right. Have you seen a lichbane Q proc go off? Rips carries to bits.

Tank morde is the only way to play him? Are you kidding me? I dont even know why you bought sorcerer's since you have like 80 ap with crystal scepter and 150 when you get revolver and you call that an ap offtank, tank morde is already bad but you didn't add merc treads to your build

I would down vote but i know you will go and troll my guide

most troll morde build i've seen lately lol

im not a douchebag guys, honestly just a morde player that wanted to put my build out there so i can perfect it, he HAS been my main for years now, but i understand people will still disagree with my play-style, and my build, that is what mobafire is for, constructive criticism, and help. TO Xivilai Anaxes!!!: thank you, i really do appreciate your comment, you dont understand how many people just say :this build bad, and downvote. you explain yourself and not downvote, this is what mobafire is for and thank you. as a response to your comment, first of all, i like building a bit more on the tank side just because its my playstyle, and i think it helps stay in lane, for people that say "YOU NEED SPELL VAMP!!?!" i do say (possible hextech revolver before FoN) in my items category. also i personally like warmogs a lot, i can understand why you would like more damage, but this IS an ap offtank build, not pure AP build, but not pure tank build. when i get warmogs i say "im glad i have 4k health so i dont instadie" everytime. it fits, and you wont die... if you have an item suggestion to replace warmogs instead of saying its bad, please say so, i am CONSTANTLY testing other items for morde. my build is what i came up with after a lot of testing, ill say it again, it fits my play-style, and i do good, one more thing, i only grabbed frozen mallet a LONG time ago, and since then i realized how bad it was, liek i said, im always trying to get better results, im NOT a LOL guru, dont expect everyone to be one... ok well ONE MORE THING, im going to test lich bane a LOT because it seriously looks like a beast item for morde i agree 90% with you, i just always liked all the health to never die. on to runes, ill be completely honest, i dont have the IP to test ALL 3 of AP, Mag Pen, speed, and health, so i compromised for 1 of all 3 lol. i will only disagree with one part, the health quint has literally saved me lots of times, whether you believe it or not, i have escaped with like 50 health level 3 or below a lot of times, so i always kinda just kept it there (just in case). also i dont understand whats wrong with skill order, ive always done it, seems fine, why is your order better? masteries... ive alwasy loved the deffence tier, the first 9 for sure, but why is offence, or utility better? only thing in utility tree is XP, and speed. only thing in offence tree is AP stuff, and you get that with 9/21/0. last thing; where di you get that exact quote from my guide? or did you make that up to explain what people are thinking?

to VKZ95: you didnt explain a whole lot, but i WILL explain something to you, the build name... ignore it, i made this build a while ago, i understand now it is all about different play-styles, its not ONE WAY IS THE BEST, its stupid to think that, and lately im a little embarrassed my build is named that, do you have a name suggestion otherwise? also, i never troll vote guides unless its a complete ******* ruining everyones guides (prime example is XJ9 from a previous comment page) in fact, i like to up-vote morde guides, because the point of mobafire is to help.

to Nighthawk: the most troll vote ive seen lately, (since XJ9's comment)

1. hp/lvl seals are inferior to armor or even ap/lvl for mordekaiser, not only do you have a weak early game, but you also have a very poor scaling with health.

2. ms/hp quints, don't split quints unless you are trying to acheive something specific like akali's passive or something. HP is bad, and if you want to go movespeed, use all three.

3. You rank up W second instead of Q. Because of the high cooldown and very small actual damage and lane utility in this skill, i recommend leveling up Q second instead of W.

4. You start with a regrowth pendant, this is highly unadvised because it doesn't build into any useful items for mordekaiser, and it doesn't bring as much utility to laning phase as boots+potions does.

5. You then buy Sorcerer's Shoes, you have already invested 1570g into items that don't help you lane. You need to get either life steal or spell vamp to sustain yourself in lane. This is similar to people buying catalyst on mana users.

6. You buy a force of Nature. Force of Nature offers very little to mordekaiser in laning utility and almost nothing in late game utility.

7. You buy a force of nature as your first item, this is a very poor order to purchase this item if you decide to get one.

8. You build a Rylai's Crystal Scepter as your second item, I could make an entire guide on how bad this item is for mordekaiser. If you want health and a slow, buy frozen mallet, if you want ap, buy WotA, Zhonyas, or any other item that mages buy, even RoA is better. The slow is ALWAYS 15% unless you are melee with Q and it's single target, in which case frozen Mallet is still better.

9. You Buy a Warmog's Armor.

10. You Buy a Warmog's Armor, and you still don't have any armor.

11. You get a Hextech Gunblade instead of a WotA. Too expensive, too useless compared to WotA.

12. You take ignite, but don't get Summoner's Wrath .

13. You take 21 points into defense, and you get 1/1 Siege Commander , 3/3 Mercenary , and 1/3 Vigor instead of taking 2/2 Indomitable and 3/3 Initiator . You scale much better into late game, and survive the early laning phase much easier with those talents.

14. You list a con of "hard to survive early game" That's cause your build has a ****ty early game because of your items, masteries and runes.

Do i need to list more?

tem, i can't believe you have the time to explain to these people why their guides are bad...

Well, when they come to my guide and down vote it because they are mad that i "down voted it to make my own guide look better" I usually get angry.

Then when i shove their peice of **** in their face and point out why it's a peice of ****, they just shut the hell up.

I SEE.

piece*

btw <3

temzilla,

1. i DO take offence when people downvote with no support, WOULDNT YOU? prime example: nighthawk... how did he help me? he didnt.

2. please dont assume I downvoted your guide because i was mad, that statement is invalid. i did not downvote your guide, and i would not downvote a guide for stupid reasons, it doesnt help anyone does it?

3. at very least 6 of your "numbers" are completely invalid. regrowth pendant is very viable as first item, as you say in your build "3 health potions help take the sting out of your abilities" why not get regrowth pendant, when it takes all the sting out of abilities, plus you still get 1 HP pot in case you get pooped on. plus i build into FoN, which guess what, is actually viable. no late game help? wrong, a boost to 420 movement speed, MR (important for a tanky morde, which you wouldnt know obviously) and even more HP regen to stay in lane all game. and you say it doesnt help? and you say regrowth pendant doesnt get build into anything good? all wrong.

warmogs bad on Morde? no armour? did you see my "alternative builds"... guess you didnt see that if they have a really heavy AD carry, then you get thornmail, and even if you dont, you still get randuins owmen. plus boosting you from around 3.0 - 3.5k health, to around 4.2-4.7k health... i dont care if you do MASSIVE damage or not, your going to survive long enough to do that damage instead of insta-dieing... your wrong again.

did you really just say rylais is so terrible on morde? this makes me laugh, wanna know why? "I mainly buy this item for it's health, and it's AP" whats that you say? ohh just a quote from your build on rylais crystal scepter. lmfao your logic is contradictive.

on a different note however, you make a FEW good points. i have not tried armour seals a lot yet, i like having 4.7k health at the end of the game... but still, they are viable, also everything you pointed out about mysteries is valid, because i didnt think that portion of my guide over fully. thats why i simply say "i suggest going 9/21/0 masteries" at no point do i say exactly why i get every point in masteries. so dont expect it to be perfect.

in the end, temzilla, im glad you helped with your input, but im sad you cant be a little more open minded, instead of spewing out reasons my build "sucks", that most dont even apply, and the rest are mostly futile. very specific masteries are much less important than the build itself, so i never took a super good look into it, and im never DONE with my build, i am trying to gather all the info i can to make it better. however...

again thank you for at least taking the time to help me by pointing out SOME good ideas. even though most of what you tried to do was jab at reasons my build sucks.

oh yeah, and nighthawk, please no more comments on my guide, you downvoted and provide nothing as far as facts go, at least temzilla explained his reasoning... so the way i see it, your just a troll with no life.

Regrowth is for baddies.

Boots build into something you want, Regrowth doesn't, it's that simple.

FoN is **** tier. Warmog's is mediocre at best, too many items better than Warmog's.

If you have a fed AD carry, get Frozen Heart and Randuin's Omen, NOT thornmail.

Tanky morde is bad, it ignores his passive completely.

Rylai's IS horrible on morde. The slow is terrible, the only reason i buy the item in my build is because at that point in the game i need health, AND AP, and i can't wait on a RoA, I will, and have built an RoA if i am ahead.

I'm not open minded because I've tried this build, and ALL of the other builds on this site, and i know which ones work, and which ones aren't effective.

You have to get away from health.

You have to go 40% CDR if you are going to play tanky mordekaiser.

Something like...

Is pretty sexy if you can pay for it.