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League of Legends Build Guide Author jhoijhoi

Vindictive Vayne

jhoijhoi Last updated on June 19, 2014
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DaHunter99 | June 25, 2014 10:15am
Awesome guides you have and i'm doing good thx to you
anyway i am a kinda low lvl and have only 17 mastery point so shall i put then all in the offensive tree or shall i put 3 in offense and 1 in defensive for each 4 points?
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DaHunter99 | June 25, 2014 10:15am
Awesome guides you have and i'm doing good thx to you
anyway i am a kinda low lvl and have only 17 mastery point so shall i put then all in the offensive tree or shall i put 3 in offense and 1 in defensive for each 4 points?
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Knightro (54) | May 20, 2014 11:34am
How well would you say Vayne and Braum would fare together in lane? Poor choice or good choice?
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icebarrierguy | March 27, 2014 3:27am
So, how to I use Vayne in lane matchups where I'm outranged without being raped in lane xd
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yagami018 | March 4, 2014 6:05pm
I have seen doublelift go the bt route intead of botrk whereas all other vaynes go botrk first. can u ezplain pls?
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Raven58262 | February 28, 2014 4:03am
Im not sure about the 21/0/9 masteries, havent tried them yet but im not sure if they are optimal compared to 21/9/0.
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Barty19 | January 31, 2014 7:56am
This guide is awesome. You are awesome.

Thank you for this.
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Gregorio21 | January 22, 2014 5:45am
Has anyone tried going, botrk into phantom dancer and berserker greaves. Then going bloodthirster into last whisper and finishing with frozen mallet or guardian angels? I have tried this build and it seems to work very well with those massive heals from all of that lifesteal which makes you almost tanky but you still deal massive amounts of damage.
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LoKi88LoKi | January 15, 2014 2:09pm
This is a very good looking guide for vayne... i started to like vayne a lot :)
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Shheden | January 14, 2014 8:14am
Orb walking, could you make a video or help me how to orb walk. I am OK at clicking between the ground and the enemy but I SUCK at using shift/a. I don't understand it simply.. :(

+1
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Lozzlepop | January 3, 2014 4:45am
So.. tried this in a bot game to practice with it..
I went 61/1/0 and got 3 pentakills O_o definitely voted;D

I also used your ashe guide when I first started and also your morgana ones!
Best guides I've ever followed:)
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TboydSteam (10) | January 2, 2014 3:36pm
quality is very high but some things are just odd. like triforce in there and starting with long sword. I think vayne needs that doran's health @_@

edit: ALSO maxing W first is really suboptimal. Vayne needs that Q cooldown low ASAP. It's a really high quality guide but I don't like that it is because I feel like the information isn't good T_T
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Captain KTT | December 13, 2013 10:35pm
Fantastic Build I love to use it and now main adc vayne instead of ashe lucian or jinx i go atleast 15+kills and under 10 deaths every game now.

Scores:

23/8/11
18/9/6
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jhoijhoi (1894) | November 30, 2013 7:38pm
3123124: Thanks! I won't be releasing any more guides though ^^

Wanna: Woo!

sdc: I updated the guide today with some more laning tips. I'm going to try and get some video footage of some of the tips I suggest and add them in. Hope the current content helps though :)
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sdc77 | November 29, 2013 11:28pm
Hey there jhoijhoi! I love the guide and its helping me A LOT on my quest to 100 straight Vayne games (i made a bet). My only problem is that I always seem to have trouble during my laning phase? Could you help me out here or point me in the right direction to get some tips for my laning?
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wannabemlg | November 27, 2013 5:21am
Great guide. You've confirmed my desire to purchase Vayne :p
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3123124 | November 19, 2013 6:04pm
Great guide. Keep 'em coming
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jhoijhoi (1894) | November 7, 2013 10:49pm
Visual update complete. Content update scheduled for Season 4. Good luck on the Fields of Justice, Summoners!
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DarkAkumaLord (61) | November 3, 2013 3:57pm

Very Nice Guide

Just have a question for you, if you're reading this at all.

I've played Vayne about 40-50 games (average amount I guess) on a Chinese server, and I've found that when the other team sees a Vayne, many of them start grabbing Thornmail or Randuin's by the 20 minute mark. I would usually grab Last Whisper ASAP on other champs, but the Attack Speed, Life Steal, and Passive/Active on BOTRK synergize extremely well with Vayne. Do you think Last Whisper is worth getting earlier than BOTRK (or Phantom Dancer/Stattik Shiv) in this situation?


Im not jhoijhoi (derp), but i think if you they have it by 20 minutes, you should have botrk by then and instead of going for pd go for lw before it. I dont see many people get Thornmail for me only :)
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DarkAkumaLord (61) | November 3, 2013 3:13pm
Hey jhoijhoi, man i havent talked here in so long. Can you add top lane Vayne at all? It made adc Vayne feel like a breeze. Soooo easy :)
Flash Teleport ftw :D
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FudgeAPudge | October 28, 2013 3:29am
Very Nice Guide

Just have a question for you, if you're reading this at all.

I've played Vayne about 40-50 games (average amount I guess) on a Chinese server, and I've found that when the other team sees a Vayne, many of them start grabbing Thornmail or Randuin's by the 20 minute mark. I would usually grab Last Whisper ASAP on other champs, but the Attack Speed, Life Steal, and Passive/Active on BOTRK synergize extremely well with Vayne. Do you think Last Whisper is worth getting earlier than BOTRK (or Phantom Dancer/Stattik Shiv) in this situation?
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Ubnoxius (61) | October 24, 2013 7:26pm
OCD, needed to make this have 1,000 coments. :D
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Skaza | October 17, 2013 11:54pm
Awesome guide! :D Vayne is also one of my mains :D
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sortkaffe (2) | October 16, 2013 9:42am
Sry to say it, but you seriously need a table of contents (overview in the beginning with links to the different chapters). A very usefull improvement would be a guide on which adc's counter vayne and which she easily can win trades with. And also which supports works well with vayne.
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Lemons22 | September 20, 2013 4:31pm
Ummm...I like the guide, but the ability sequence seems a little weird. At the top you're maxing Silver Bullets first, but then later in the guide you say you max Tumble first?

Honestly I tried both and had zero success with maxing Silver Bullets, and finally got a win with maxing Tumble. I feel like R > Q > W > E should be the default skill sequence and R > W > Q > E should be the caveat considering it's more situational (as you say..."if you're an aggressive player with an aggressive support").
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diegander | September 13, 2013 8:58am
thx jhoijhoi i got penta kill with this guide and the match was 37-9-9
but my rune was semi like your ashe guide 3 quent lifesteal and marks of arrmor pen and seals of arrmor and glyp of magic resist

do arrmor pen usefull for vayne or attack damage ?
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ExtremeCreeper | September 8, 2013 9:59pm
First build I used for Vayne. Loved her so much. This was a year ago or so, but I finally decided to comment. +1
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hristohansen (1) | August 21, 2013 8:34am
Nice guide!
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Hawkz | August 21, 2013 8:31am
Love this guide!
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jhoijhoi (1894) | August 20, 2013 3:41pm
Thanks Radication. I actually didn't. The full coding is there, it just won't properly code, so I gave up on it. Nevermind, I'm an idiot. Fixed.
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3Radication (11) | August 20, 2013 3:32pm
U left a bracket out on your abilities and what to max first etc...
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DudeGodHatesYou | August 11, 2013 12:45pm
This is a nice guide. I have a question. So I'm in silver and vayne is my main adc. I need help in how to avoid being focused... In most games at like 30 minutes I would go 18/1 and then teamfights start, I would kill like 3 and then die and we would get aced. I don't know what I'm doing wrong. I built boots then botrk then phantom dancer then ie, then bt and then another bt, I find armor pen useless for vayne because you aren't going for the tanks and plus your true damage does enough. How would I avoid getting focused
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aea7 | August 7, 2013 9:49am
thank you ! item build fits perfectly.
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ZYoT | August 7, 2013 9:40am
Very nice detailed guide! +1
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fashionablellama (22) | August 5, 2013 6:24am
I love this guide, it got me playing vayne and now I love her!

+1
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fashionablellama (22) | August 5, 2013 6:23am
I love this guide, it got me playing vayne and now I love her!

+1
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FatalityV1 | August 4, 2013 2:30pm
I actually just made my account now to say:

This is an awesome guide!

Just helped me go 17/3/4 :D.

Thanks for the guide :). I love using Vayne :D.
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Hahkethomemah | August 2, 2013 6:30pm
Solid guide, great job.
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jhoijhoi (1894) | July 31, 2013 4:59am
I thought you were referring to the screenshot, where Phantom Dancer is shown in my second item slot, and BotRK as 3rd?
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Embracing (348) | July 31, 2013 4:21am
huh O_O either i misread or it got changed :x


my bad :D
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jhoijhoi (1894) | July 30, 2013 10:04pm
It was BotRK first. I put active items on 3 for ease of use.
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Embracing (348) | July 30, 2013 9:54pm
BOTRK into PD pls :<

When ahead double pd or pd shiv is also gud.
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jhoijhoi (1894) | July 30, 2013 9:50pm
Well, guide works for level 12s with no runes and masteries:

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lawls88 (1) | July 30, 2013 9:48pm
+1, Great guide JhoiJhoi, Probably the best vayne guide by far :D
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jhoijhoi (1894) | July 30, 2013 3:56pm
Max: Those videos are really old and I will be replacing them real soon. I'm actually levelling an account on the Oceanic server, where I have 40 ping, as opposed to 250. A lot of people claim 250 ping is playable - in fact, I got to Gold 4 with it. But a lot of my mistakes in all of my videos (not just Vayne) is due to reacting too slowly or too quickly. Now that I have no excuse in terms of reaction speed, I should be able to make better plays.

:)
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DampDread | July 30, 2013 1:17pm
Perfect item set, using these items, i got my first PentaKill, thx alot :)
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randomsound | July 30, 2013 12:37pm
really good guide went 16-2 on my first time vayne with it unfortunatly my team has fed the enemys endi ended the game with 16-8 and we lost
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MaxArzt | July 22, 2013 9:35am
Hey!
My main role is Adcarry, and my main character is Vayne. I agree with the way you build her, which also is the way i build her. But when it came to the videos, i was very dissapointed. You talk about positioning and condemning, and how its done corretly, but when you faced poppy, you failed the condemn, to knock her back, in knowledge of that she has a gapcloser, that also stuns you, if you're charged into a wall.
The second video i watched, is where you had a teamfight, the second one of the teamfight videos i believe. You claim that you weren't sure of the enemy teams positions, so you chose to go in carefully, and you added "And i condemned katarina as she ultied, she must really have hated me that game" while you in reality condemned nasus, while positioning yourself in the very middle of the teamfight.
Thats all i've looked at in the guide so far, but if you're looking to teach people how to play vayne, you might want to throw in some proper plays, positions, and demostrations, rather than just showing a teamfight where you do absolutely nothing thoughtful at all!
I'm not going to dislike, or vote this guide down by any means, but please, educate our fellow vayne players, instead of throwing up some ****ty clips with an incorrect description!
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Pepurius | July 21, 2013 12:17pm
Awesome guide, started to use Vayne today after a lot of Ashe (using your guide ofc). I like her skills pretty much but i still need some training :)
You did an awesome job with your guide so +1 from me :)
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Azuremein | July 18, 2013 2:51pm
Very good guide! I've used Vayne here and there and she's quickly become one of my favorite champions after this build! I do alter some things as others have stated (Maxing Condemn over Silver Bolts, etc) And I've found that if the enemy team isn't stacking armor, to avoid Last Whisper and opt for both Infinity Edge AND Frozen Mallet. Again, great guide, super helpful, thank you!
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mrlouisowy (1) | July 14, 2013 10:31am
Very good guide . :)
Please check my guide, i'm newbie on mobafire.
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hique123 | June 29, 2013 4:10am
I loved your guide, but I have one question, why not buy Sword of the divine? I like it because when you active it, it gives you a huge AS, and 100% of Critic chance, which is great for vayne, because I like to explore the assasine vayne mode XD. Another reason is because it combos very well with your W. And It's very cheap which helps me a lot with my week early game :D,then in the late I change it for another iten.
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Manumadrid2000 | June 27, 2013 2:39am
I did Pentakill the first game with that build ^^. And cuadra the second. Awesome!
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Kase | June 25, 2013 3:45pm
I got a pentakill my 2nd game using this guide. Thank you so much, +1
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Wowlol2 | June 23, 2013 8:10am
Haha I was actually going to post this build today I used it when I didn't even know it was on Mobafire, great build! I went like 21/8
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jhoijhoi (1894) | June 22, 2013 1:22am
22/06/2013
+ Updated item section
+ Updated gameplay section (jungle changes)

glhf with Vayne on the Fields of Justice! :)
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superioritydnn (2) | June 18, 2013 1:03pm
this build totally deserves the credit it has got
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Vylyan | June 17, 2013 9:22pm
hey guys im gonna start maining Vayne but I was wondering if you could check out my youtube channel as well
sorry for the spam but I don't know about any other way to publicize it

http://www.youtube.com/user/Tehdarksidegaming?feature=guide

feel free to sub as well :D
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swine_flu (2) | June 17, 2013 1:25am
+1
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jhoijhoi (1894) | June 15, 2013 6:56pm
Wow, I just checked this in a custom game, and you're absolutely right. I was always under the impression that it was like Morgana's ultimate, Soraka's Q and Tryndamere's Mocking Shout which would become usable if enemies are nearby. That's a pretty big blow to Vayne's ability to chase enemies, losing that movement speed due to obstruction. Thanks, will fix that description in the guide.
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zzzus (1) | June 15, 2013 6:15pm
question: you say her passive gives move speed if moving toward unseen champions in a bush- but the wiki says that the passive will not work for unseen (stealth, fog of war, bush) champs. please clarify. thank you for all the work you do on these guides as well as the templates for other guides
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Senoj | June 15, 2013 2:00pm
Really love the guide +1
Was wondering what you thought about taking 2 crit marks along with the 7 armour pen. Do you think it's worth the possible crits?
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TROLLing1999 (48) | June 15, 2013 8:08am
Quoted:


what about candy panda? he's not in the list
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TROLLing1999 (48) | June 15, 2013 8:06am
just one thing
if you have lifesteal quints , isn't doran's better than long sword?

+1
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Jungle Ez OP | June 15, 2013 7:54am
Nice guide :D
and btw ur beautiful :) :P
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purelydark | June 14, 2013 1:15pm
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superioritydnn (2) | June 14, 2013 10:30am
sick build
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Iceflame0123 | June 13, 2013 4:45pm
Straight up the best guide I've ever read; +1 for you!
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jhoijhoi (1894) | June 13, 2013 5:10am
^^
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DisturbedFox (59) | June 5, 2013 2:08pm
^ no, Runaan's Hurricane is a **** item and should never be built.
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DKFlip | June 5, 2013 1:54pm
Beacuse of Silver Bullet proc would a Hurricane be smart choice instead of BotRK for the "Possible End Game Build" food for thought :)
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DisturbedFox (59) | June 5, 2013 2:40am
No, you don't get a BT instead of IE if you have/going to buy a BotRK. Running 2x lifesteal quints and 1x AD is better than 3x AD. Havoc is bad, rather get Butcher and Destruction . Second doran's is situational. Mallet is more a defensive item cuz it gives so little AD and is mainly used to kite. Reduced flash CD isn't needed, +30 flat HP from Veteran's Scars is better. I wouldn't say Ashe is easy to master, either. When maxing bolts first, I like to get lvl 2 tumble by level 4 and start putting points in my W after that, I find it better, but that might be just me.

@Muffinnzz
watch this and learn
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Muffinnzz | May 20, 2013 2:30am
Hey Im having a lot of trouble kiting my opponents, can you shoot me so more info on that? it's all I need to take my vayne to the next level! thanks so much for this guide! :)
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Amatesamaru | May 15, 2013 12:26am
VERY nice build!! Went 31/9/14!!! :D Best i've dont with any champ in a while! Thanks!! :D Oh and what is your opinion on getting blade of ruined king over infinity edge... or whatever the best item to swap it out is?
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VoliFan (2) | May 12, 2013 8:02pm
In my opinion you should add a "Match-ups" section.
Also the Genuine Vayne Pentakill video disappeared. I don't know if it's just me or it's actually gone.
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TERRACEtheLORD (2) | May 10, 2013 1:42am
In case my "support" refuses to use wards, should I do it even though I am a carry?
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H20 Ryu | May 9, 2013 5:56pm
Helped alot man thanks :D
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jhoijhoi (1894) | May 5, 2013 1:40pm
I used to have a wall of fame, but as people stopped using their image sharing accounts, the files broke and looked pretty ugly.
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fuzzybee7 | May 4, 2013 5:38am
I feel this guide will be better with some match history, showing off wins and kills and all.

As a guide user, it really matters to me.

Can I send you my match history?
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Player Alt F4 | April 29, 2013 12:44am
Great guide! I played a few bot games after reading this guide, then jumped into a random normal game. Lets just say I had a fun game.

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pickleman1233 | April 28, 2013 5:16pm
Omg thank you so much for this guide i used vayne for the first time today and just destroyed everything in my way thanks to your guide :)
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Derck | April 26, 2013 4:10pm
Hello
Reading your guide i noticed u rush BT right? What u think about doing a BotRK first?
And how do normally you play early game as vayne? I try alot playing her, but i normally get destroyed by other ADC, such as draven, cait or tristana, since they have more range, or better pokes, i try play really safe, just last hitting, but i get zoned pretty hard >.<. Do you have any tips about it xD?
(and sorry about the bad english :x)
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Akhmatova | April 24, 2013 2:58pm
Hey, first off I want to say great guide!
You have a lot of really solid points here.
I know this is a minor aesthetical point, but there are a few grammatical mistakes and spelling errors around.
Overall, I felt that it was good material, but you didn't need to coat it up in such "fancy" language the way you have. By all means, if a complex point requires more detailed language to describe it in the most apt way, go ahead! But if you could of used simpler language to get to the point (which are very good points) it stops the language interfering with the point you're making.

I WANT TO STRESS THAT ITS A GOOD GUIDE, NEIGH, AN AWESOME GUIDE
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ErkaaanZ | April 10, 2013 1:23pm
Just got some insane stats with this build :D
2 Pentasteals and 1 delayed Penta...
Awesome build man ;)

http://imageshack.us/f/824/namnlsyv.png/
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BluePie | April 1, 2013 1:06pm
Good build, love it! Won the first time using Vayne with this build! 1+
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DeadLikeMe21 | April 1, 2013 2:13am
Hello.

I like your Vayne build. Was pretty useful to me the first time I started using Vayne. She's my main champion and since I play her a lot, I actually tried experimenting and I do a different build than you do, just slightly. But it works like a charm every game. Vayne is probably my favorite champion in the entire game since she's just so freaking awesome. Yet I'm still struggling to get than Pentakill. There's always an assist on one of them...there's always one >.>.
Anywho! Great build and tips! Vayne can be and to master, but when you do, she's unstoppable.


My build: 1) Berserker boots 2) Bloodthirster 3) Phantom Dancer 4) Infinity Edge 5) Phantom Dancer #2 6) Anything that might help.
I get a double phantom for the critical strike chance combo with Infinity Edge and to power up my silver bolts. If I need more life steal, I buy a Blade of the Ruin King, which still makes my silver bolts stronger while I get double life steal with Bloodthirster too. If I need to sustain more damage, I go for Frozen Mallet or Guardian Angel. So far, I always do Really Good with this build.

Cheers!
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pentakill penny | March 29, 2013 12:43pm

Hello,

Your build lacks some AD according to my point of view. Your core build consists of Randuin's Omen, I personally believe its better to stack more AD then a defensive item, vayne is sort of an assassin, that means you gotta do the highest burst in the smallest time, better to get more AD then survivability.

I personally rush a BT, then phantom, then an IE, another BT, A situational item, sixth slots is ofc boots. That gives me AD around 330. Thats 90 more then 250..

The items you have stated are correct, but what I am saying is you could have stacked more AD.

The hints and tips sections is great, the skill order is also the one I use and the guide layout is good too. So overall a +1 from me ;).

Regards,

AngryFighter

lol ur ******ed with no survival item you will die to enemy tank asap
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schutzs | March 29, 2013 10:01am
wazup

I used to play twitch as my main (started with ashe, followed your guide for her too, then jumped to twitch), but one day i decided to try vayne and now i cant play twitch anymore lol

I followed your guide in my beginning with vayne but then i started to try some other things and came to a final build: i rush bt (with boots in the middle) then dancer, then i can take 1) zeal (if they are squishy) or 2) bf (if they are getting some early armor). I tried vayne with double dancer and i really love it, its amazing the crit chance, mov speed and attack speed you get by building those. But i dont build the second dancer as my 4th item anymore since i dont have the enough ad to take advantage of my attack speed, so i take only zeal and continue with the build in order to keep some balance between ad/attack speed.
After that, i get ie right away, cleaver or lw and finally it depends on my team if i get another ad item or guardian angel (if i have a good team, i take the extra ad ftw).

Today i tried blade of the ruined king late game, by that point i had built bt, boots, dancer, ie and zeal. I must say that its active is cool and i will try rushing blade instead of bt and see how that works. This was my score



And i forgot, i max first W instead of Q, so i can have a more constant output of damage in the event of a teamfight. What i mean is that by maxing the W first i get extra damage in the first attack, the second is normal and in the third one i have the W ready for shred, and repeat. Idk if i do that because i suck, but i prefer paying the skills that way instead of maxing first the Q.

You got my +1, as with your previous guides, its made in a really simple and detailed way!

See ya
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AngryFighter | March 28, 2013 5:38am
Hello,

Your build lacks some AD according to my point of view. Your core build consists of Randuin's Omen, I personally believe its better to stack more AD then a defensive item, vayne is sort of an assassin, that means you gotta do the highest burst in the smallest time, better to get more AD then survivability.

I personally rush a BT, then phantom, then an IE, another BT, A situational item, sixth slots is ofc boots. That gives me AD around 330. Thats 90 more then 250..

The items you have stated are correct, but what I am saying is you could have stacked more AD.

The hints and tips sections is great, the skill order is also the one I use and the guide layout is good too. So overall a +1 from me ;).

Regards,

AngryFighter
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Lord WillE | March 26, 2013 4:12pm
Just wondering but why is zephyr under MR in the broken down quick reference items in the explained items section? not really important i know but i had to ask. thanks for any answers :)
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pentakill penny | March 19, 2013 2:38pm
vayne need 2 survival item to not get killed. watch doublelift play.
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Jimin Cluck | March 18, 2013 2:37pm
I love this guide, i fell in with Vayne when i got destroyed by her late game and from that point i decided to play her, I needed a guide to help me learn her so i studied this word by word for weeks and watched videos, i would like to thank you for this guide. I still have a lot to learn yet but that can only come with experience! Here's my recent ranked scores http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/545/vayne.png/
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Jimin Cluck | March 18, 2013 2:37pm
I love this guide, i fell in with Vayne when i got destroyed by her late game and from that point i decided to play her, I needed a guide to help me learn her so i studied this word by word for weeks and watched videos, i would like to thank you for this guide. I still have a lot to learn yet but that can only come with experience! Here's my recent ranked scores http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/545/vayne.png/
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Genkakuzai (1) | March 14, 2013 8:19am
Why no Trinity Force?
It would proc nicely on the tumble.
So auto-attack, tumble, auto-attack and auto-attack = tons of dmg

Oh, and wouldn't it be better with cooldown boots?
Lower that high cooldown on Condemn a bit.

You don't really need Berserkers with Phantom Dancer and Blade of the Ruined King giving you lots of attack speed already.

Just my opinion though.
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jhoijhoi (1894) | March 12, 2013 1:05pm
Thanks dad :) Yes, it was probably a typo, I'll fix that right now ^^ Love you <3
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stone0chaser (1) | March 12, 2013 12:25pm
Hi there I haven't had a chance to read most of the comments or, all of you guide yet as work LAN stops downloads of most types of video, but I noticed that in the section where you discuss starting items and under the crystalline flask you memention Ashe did you mean it to be Vayne you were referring to.
I will give your build guide a deeper reading when able to access all the material.
And have to say I'm proud of the work you've done here with this and other guides.And for the inspiration you have given to other players to be able to play, understand and enjoy LoL.
Dad
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SubXero00 | March 11, 2013 12:41am
I really like your build and how much description you have puy into this. Although i would suggest that maybe you could use a frozen mallet as it grants a lot of health allowing you to be more mobile and it also slows your enemies by a considerable amount allowing you to chase better.
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Quasi_God | March 5, 2013 9:19pm
Did the new hotfix to the Blade of the Ruined King make rushing BotRK not viable?
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jhoijhoi (1894) | March 2, 2013 3:46pm
I remember when buying Madred's Bloodrazor on any ADC was completely and utterly shot down. It's interesting to see how the meta has shifted from ADC mid, to bruiser comp, to support + ADC bot + gold gen, to League of Cleavers and now to Warmog/Randuin's stacking. As such, the guide has indeed been updated to show BotRK as ideal first buy Vayne. Before the addition of attack speed, BotRK was just an alternative life steal item. With the attack speed addition, it is a common first pick on almost every ADC, the exempt being AD Casters who still benefit from Bloodthirster first, like Ez.
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Ifanair94 | March 1, 2013 8:19am
Would you consider the new BotRK on Vayne early? It seems that with the percentage damage and the attack speed buff it might work well. What do you think?
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vipstyles | February 28, 2013 9:50pm

Nice guide, one question:

Blood thirster as first item or Phantom dancer?
Ive been thinking about this but actually a vamp scepter should be enough lifesteal in early laning. I see tons of vaynes going BT though tellin me "Q so stronk". But doesnt your damage go overkill with an early PD?


I see everyone building BT first aswell, but I dont. I usually get vamp scepter and/or boots as first items then zeal and build shiv as my first main item, I like shiv better then PD because its cheaper and the AOE effect can crit 4 enemies which is usefull for early game farming then after I build BT as the next main item.

This is just what I do personally and I pretty much find my build much more useful then the traditional way of rushing BT. I find that usually with my silver bolts stacking, using E at the right time and a good support with strong CC such as Leona, Volibear and Taric I can do decent damage and get first blood most of the time.
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kansa04 | February 28, 2013 8:52pm

Nice guide, one question:

Blood thirster as first item or Phantom dancer?
Ive been thinking about this but actually a vamp scepter should be enough lifesteal in early laning. I see tons of vaynes going BT though tellin me "Q so stronk". But doesnt your damage go overkill with an early PD?


Most Vaynes go for the Bloodthirster first than the Phantom Dancer, but I go for the Phantom Dancer first. I like to get the Critical a bit early and often. It works great too, it just depends on your situation. If you need damage go for the Bloodthirster and earn the quick 30 kills to increase your Attack Damage output or be a ninja of some sort then go for Phantom Dancer.
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EoA2Dubstep | February 26, 2013 9:12am
Nice guide, one question:

Blood thirster as first item or Phantom dancer?
Ive been thinking about this but actually a vamp scepter should be enough lifesteal in early laning. I see tons of vaynes going BT though tellin me "Q so stronk". But doesnt your damage go overkill with an early PD?
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Tridentpepp | February 25, 2013 1:34pm
If you aren't doing good in lane and you're losing, which items would you prefer?
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kansa04 | February 24, 2013 7:53pm
This is an amazing guide, went well on my first try! Thanks a lot!
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Squishycoasy | February 20, 2013 1:57pm
I love your guides really helped me out since I'm still learning LoL, only level 17 :-)

My first champion was Nasus and now am learning Vayne so that I have a champion to play as any role. I main support and am branching out thanks to you. Was wondering if you ever record or stream your games, would definitely like to see you in action. I'm more of a visual learner and not too many people play Vayne when I support. Think I supported one since I started making support my main.
Thanks again for the guide!
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RulethemALL135 | February 20, 2013 8:12am
Very nice guide.

I had been using ur old build through season two and i had really good results.

However , i have a question on the current build:

What do u want warmorngs for?
I think there are many better defensive items out there.
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Duckmunch | February 19, 2013 10:43pm
Great build, I switched the Marks and Quints (I already had them) and I went 38/8/8. Got my vote!
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jhoijhoi (1894) | February 19, 2013 2:33pm
No problem, Psi, thanks for answering those questions :)

As for maxing Silver Bolts first, completely viable if you can get that 3rd hit in. Generally speaking, you will find it hard to do so. Most ADCs will back out of range if you try to auto them for more than two hits, and don't forget the enemy support will probably attack you during this time, AND the lane minions. Taking minion aggro to the extent of losing even 100 health is extremely detrimental.

Which is why like to play it safe with a more spammy Tumble.
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Dill Money (5) | February 17, 2013 12:22pm
Brilliant guide
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VoliFan (2) | February 16, 2013 9:18pm

hi master ! :D

Just a little question... could a hurricane be good with Vayne

Thanks for your answer and also for your guide !

MexicanBoy whos not mexican xD

No, since her passive "Silver Bolts" Only works when you hit a single champion, but the Runaans Hurricane turns your basic attacks into attacking 3 champions, thus not activating the passive properly thus allowing the passive to not work.
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kaybee | February 11, 2013 5:47pm
Quoted:
You should be attacking more than 3 times in a team fight.


But of course! You do lose the passive AS on that item, but during team fights, it helps duels between ad carries, and it can come off of cooldown by the end of the fight (Cooldown is reduced each time you get kill/assist) I recommend trying it sometime. Plus, it's a fun item to use.
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SyllianTV | February 11, 2013 3:37am
Hey, i love your Guide.

Thank you, for those amazing Tipps!
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PsiGuard (881) | February 10, 2013 9:53pm

Just a little question... could a hurricane be good with Vayne

No, it doesn't proc Silver Bolts.

Daumier wrote:
Why not take Summoner's Wrath so 22 in offense, and 8 in def/uti?

And could anyone give examples of what to take if you go 21/9/0? The guide, as far as I can see, only gives tips on the utility tree not defense. Thanks!

Veteran's Scars and Runic Affinity are both 9-point masteries and are much more useful than another point in the offense tree. Summoner's Wrath isn't even useful since you'll have Cleanse or Barrier pretty much every game. If you do take Ignite, then you can just take a point out of Fury .

If you put 9 points in defense, you should take Summoner's Resolve , Durability , Hardiness and Veteran's Scars . The eighth point can go into Resistance .

kaybee wrote:
Well done, great guide. I have found that Sword of the Divine works especially well (It makes her 3 hit combo especially deadly). Why don't you have that item in the list of optional items?

You should be attacking more than 3 times in a team fight.


SORRY JAI I GOT REALLY BORED AND NO ONE COMMENTS ON MY GUIDES T.T
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kaybee | February 10, 2013 8:35pm
Well done, great guide. I have found that Sword of the Divine works especially well (It makes her 3 hit combo especially deadly). Why don't you have that item in the list of optional items?
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Daumier | February 8, 2013 11:50am
Really great guide, been following it for a while now with descent success. I have some questions regarding masteries though.

Why not take Summoner's Wrath so 22 in offense, and 8 in def/uti?

And could anyone give examples of what to take if you go 21/9/0? The guide, as far as I can see, only gives tips on the utility tree not defense. Thanks!
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Spyroooooo | February 5, 2013 4:21am
AS a girl , you are awesome player i love you , but want to ask something . i love playing vayne and generally own my lane aagainst graves and cait ex. but why not max silver bolts first ? TPA Bebe maxing silver bolts too , i max it too and when you hit an enemy 3rd time they will be pissed off so hard . can u try maxing silver bolts ? thanks :) Awesome guide your tackle tactic gainst wall is so great and it works , i would like to learn more little but useful tactics :) sor for bad english too :)
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SKA11ELEVEN | February 3, 2013 8:37am
**** build, enough said
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MexicanBoy007 | January 31, 2013 1:20pm
hi master ! :D

Just a little question... could a hurricane be good with Vayne

Thanks for your answer and also for your guide !

MexicanBoy whos not mexican xD
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StrangeKnight | January 30, 2013 1:20am
I noticed that under Dubious Decisions in Detail you have The Black Cleaver as an item for attack speed, which it no longer grants. Love your guides <3Nasus
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Nentify (1) | January 21, 2013 5:13pm
Have you tried a Sword of the Divine on Vayne? It works amazing on tanky champions with your passive Silver Bolts and shreds apart teams with its active. I don't know what your opinion on it is, but I had a go with it and powered through the opposing team.

In the first game (bottom one), we were losing pretty badly, and my score wasn't the best, as you can see. So I decided to farm to no end and ended up with a full build and a Sword of the Divine and rescued that one.

The top game was amazing, I built the Sword of the Divine last again and plowed through their tanky Darius' health and then hit Katarina/ Ashe a few times to their death. With the active of Sword of the Divine on Vayne, and her ult Final Hour, the sound effects are so great. You feel like you're pumping death served on a plate, it's amazing.

I don't know if I should have built something else other than a Sword of the Divine at the end other than a defensive item, but it's fun to try out. ^_^ What d'ya think?
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richipet | January 21, 2013 6:47am
O.o woah!! that guide i just registered to tell u this, u are awesome this guide helped me a lot.... I was very bad with condem but i got poppy soooo good with it and now is my main char... just to let u know with ur guide i got 20/0/4... when the game ended they were like.... DATTTTTT VAYNE!! i so raped em they just surrendered at 20mins. Nice guide +1
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jhoijhoi (1894) | January 21, 2013 1:38am
Guide has been updated heaps, enjoy the new content!
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ery1212 | January 20, 2013 2:36pm
ah thx ive already bought some runes but i wont buy from now
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jhoijhoi (1894) | January 20, 2013 1:19pm
Nine. You can have nine runes per glyph, mark or seal, and only three quintessences. If you're new to the game, runes will not apply to you until level 20. Do not buy runes before level 20.
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ery1212 | January 20, 2013 10:14am
sorry im new in this game what does it mean 9x
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jhoijhoi (1894) | January 20, 2013 5:29am
Kenta: Attack Damage Marks are fine, especially if you start with Boots of Speed and potions.

Ery: You grab exactly what is displayed in the cheat sheet, and described in the guide:
- 9x Attack Damage (or Armor Penetration) Marks
- 9x Armor Seals
- 9x Flat Magic Resist Glyphs
- 3x Attack Damage Quintessences
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ery1212 | January 20, 2013 4:33am
which runes i have to use while im playing with vayne ive read that guide but it is mentioning about only 4 runes i mean which runes i should use in my rune page
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Sfaaza | January 17, 2013 8:42am
1st game with vayne - 19:10:23, had to go a bit tanky, your guide is awesome :D
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KentaTakashi (2) | January 13, 2013 8:52pm
is it viable to use scaling attack damage marks on vayne? I just wondered that cause i've tested it out on other champions that function largely on hitting fast (Xin) and it seems to work well... just wondering ur thoughts here because vayne seems like she can benefit from the extra ad that scales into late game... vs the flat ad marks
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KGBElite | January 12, 2013 8:16pm
So I followed your build. 1st game I played with Vayne was a win xD. All of us we're carries (Varus, MF, Me(Vayne), Katarina and Teemo) and we just raped. 17/5/12 was my score.
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MajikDUSTY | January 12, 2013 3:30pm
Great guide with a lot of great information! I just had a quick question about the Statikk Shiv. Lately, I have been seeing a lot of people swapping Phantom Dancers out with this item (especially Vayne and Ezreal players). I noticed you list it under the situational items, but do not really elaborate on it. I was hoping you could explain this choice a little on your guide or even on my post. When is it a good idea to chose this item? What are the advantages and will it cripple me late game?
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MrOganad (3) | January 11, 2013 1:39pm
Hi, i've bought vayne recently and i'm winning a lot of games with your build. I just a have a question: does Runaan's Hurricane proc Silver Bolts?

+1
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ZhakyxD | January 10, 2013 9:51am
I like your guide overall,but I don't know why didn't you include Sword of Divine for optional items.I usually pick it up instead of last whisper and it works really good.Let me know what you think.
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ultimatestorybro | January 7, 2013 6:18am
hey i was just wondering would a runnan's ranged hurricane work well with vayne late game ??
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ZeroSoulreaver (3) | January 4, 2013 7:31am
This guide is extremely helpful. I'm still a noob at LoL and I just started using Vayne. She is pretty hard to use, but if you are patient and can manage your lane well so you can farm she is amazing. My first game I went 6/4/4 every death I had it was an assist.

I love using her, she is so much fun.
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hurem | January 3, 2013 5:02am
I found that in S3 the best start is boots + 3 healt pots
than rush 3 dorans then PD etc
Lifesteal is too expensive now and it gives u no HP.
Still +1
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Ebon Renegade | December 27, 2012 7:18pm
First off, I have to say I love your style on ALL of your guides :) They are by far and above my favorites to read when I want to just cruise around on Mobafire. That being said for all those people hating on the Tanky Trinity build, have you even tried it? I know I'm not even a lvl 30 player, but everytime I try that build out in custom or CO-op games I do pretty well. No I haven't tried it in PvP yet just because I tend to run Caitlyn in PvP til I get better at League in general, but I am looking forward to it. All in all I guess what I am trying to say is "Don't knock it til you try it.
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ShadowRose | December 27, 2012 2:25pm
Thanks so much for the guide! got a pentakill 3rd time using vayne by using this guide. :D youre the best!
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jacktekila | December 27, 2012 5:39am
Great guide! You are the best =)

Just one thing that I noticed...

On the description of the first pentakill video, you said:

Quoted:
Enemy Kennen then tries to harrass from the side, but gets trapped in friendly Veigar's Event Horizon, leaving him open to attack for the entire team. Vayne lands the last hit on Kennen, giving him his third kill.


1) I really can't see any Kennen on that game 0.o
2) The third kill is on the Veigar
3) How do you get trapped in a friendly Veigar's Event Horizon?
4) That Veigar is really noob... That match was ranked?

Thanks for helping us all with your guides, and pretend you haven't seen any English mistakes here, it's not my native language... =D
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GodGodMad | December 25, 2012 1:30pm
Hey so i just noticed in the "Tumble Tips & tricks" section where you go over vaynes skills, it talkes about being able to spam tumble alot because of the "Mana Regen Runes". however i don't see any mana runes in the top section. i use magic resist or attack speed but i thought i would just let you know. also in your cons you say that vayne doesnt have any cool skins, you might want to take that con off the list (HeartSeeker Vayne) Sexy!!!
GLHF
- God Gone Mad
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wero01 | December 24, 2012 11:38pm
i will buy vayne after reading this, this guide seams pretty good, contrats.
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GrandmasterD (519) | December 23, 2012 9:15pm
Sabbath wrote:

Wow, vayne really should max silver bolts first and start w/ phantom then infinity, her W passive makes it soooo good mid to late game it is worth to have a ****ty early game.


Untrue. In theory all skills can be maxed first; most give preference to the Tumble as it makes for easy harass. W max is good if, and only if, you can land 3 consecutive hits as harass. It's harder to land and doesn't fit everyone's playstyle. E max is quite unorthodox and a little outdated perhaps but still very much possible.

If W isn't maxed first, it is indeed usually maxed out second for a proper transition into mid-game.
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Sabbath | December 23, 2012 9:08pm
Wow, vayne really should max silver bolts first and start w/ phantom then infinity, her W passive makes it soooo good mid to late game it is worth to have a ****ty early game.
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Khazem (186) | December 23, 2012 4:18pm
My suggestions:
  • Ignite is not really a viable summoner spell choice for Vayne. Her laning phase is weak and her kill potential is low. She needs to be built around surviving the lane. Look at either Cleanse or Barrier, both very strong defensive summoner spells for Vayne.
  • Attack speed glyphs are never really worth it. In most lanes, you'll need flat magic resistance to reduce incoming support harass (or AD carries that deal a lot of magic damage early on such as Tristana). If you're against a physical damage heavy bot lane, scaling magic resistance would still be better than attack speed.
  • I feel like this guide recommends too many unnecessary items, such as the tanky builds and the gold/10 (which by the way is a bit outdated with the removal of HoG :P). While stuff like this isn't usually a bad thing, realistically there won't be a scenario where you would rather build stuff like Trinity Force and Wit's End over The Bloodthirster and Phantom Dancer. It kinda gets a little confusing.
  • Other defensive possibilities however aren't mentioned and probably deserve a mention, such as a more defensive mastery page against difficult lanes (Caitlyn, Draven, etc). In this mastery page, you drop Executioner and Sunder for Unyielding and Block .
  • I think there should be more depth in starting items since the good old boots start isn't always the best anymore. Long Sword + 2 pots, Cloth Armor + 5 pots and Crystalline Flask + preferred combination of potions are all very viable starting builds now depending on the situation.
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-NA- Veng Lmfao (169) | December 16, 2012 7:25pm
Hey! I love your guides and your layouts. I've been playing Vayne for around 2 years now, and I saw a Vayne on a stream. He max'ed Silver Bolts and got a Phantom Dancer as his first item. He completely DESTROYED! I would consider testing this then implementing it into your Vayne build! Maybe you could check out my guides, which can be found below!
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Athan (18) | December 16, 2012 12:22pm
jhoijhoi wrote:

Athan: All fair points, thanks for bringing them to my attention! I guess I forgot to update that section for Season Three, Mercurial Scimitar is a very good alternative item and I fail to mention it.

I'll definitely be changing those builds. The Madred's was something from when I released the guide last year, it's funny that's it's still in there, but very bad to actually build.

I'll actually defend Wit's right now, it's saved me a few times :P But yes, definitely very niche.

+rep, thanks for point all of this out, motivates me to update that section :D


Y dat Wit's End xD

If you REALLY need protection versus AP teams...

Spirit Visage! It gives HP, it gives MR, it gives CDR for... yea okay, the CDR is a little redudant, but nevertheless, THE PASSIVE!
After the initial burst which is what tends to kill the ADC (Lol), you can heal up that much faster if you got BT :)
The new Madred's... Blade of the Ruined King is not bad on Vayne as it synergizes a lot better with Vayne and ADCs in general now. Also Blade of the Ruined King heals more if you got Spirit Visage :D
Try it out :P

PS: I naturally already +rep'ed you due to your Guide-To-Guide Guides, haha :D
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jhoijhoi (1894) | December 15, 2012 10:09pm
Athan: All fair points, thanks for bringing them to my attention! I guess I forgot to update that section for Season Three, Mercurial Scimitar is a very good alternative item and I fail to mention it.

I'll definitely be changing those builds. The Madred's was something from when I released the guide last year, it's funny that's it's still in there, but very bad to actually build.

I'll actually defend Wit's right now, it's saved me a few times :P But yes, definitely very niche.

+rep, thanks for point all of this out, motivates me to update that section :D
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Athan (18) | December 15, 2012 9:35pm
Uh... this is a great guide, but frankly, there's just something that buggs me.

Out of all the builds you suggested, there are TWO of them that should be considered, the two being:

The main build
"Alternative" - (-1 one PD, +1 IE instead).

I mean, christ, Vayne is an ADC! Suggested some of your... custom builds on the highest rated Mobafire guide :S?
Don't get me wrong; Your guides are awesome and your Guide-to-Guide(s) are great, but i HAVE to point this out.
You are encouraging outright BAD builds.

The "Tanky Triforce"... What on Earth is Wits End doing there? Tri-Force Vayne is already a stretch, but why would you ever want to build like this? I'm sorry, but i can't comprehend why you would want to build like this. Ever.
Vayne's Niche is basically "Tons of damage", but that build will make Ashe do more damage lategame than you if she builds as she should.

"Maximum Surviviablity". Fine. If you are Vayne top and you desperately need a bruiser.
That is NOT an ADC build.

"Attack speed Vayne"... Look, her true damage isn't THAT much!

"tank vayne" - There is no such thing as tank Vayne. Refers to "maximum survivability".

"****ing expensive" - Uh... Why Madred's? PD is cheaper, gives more damage and the increased movespeed stacks with the TriForce. TriForce/PD/IE is the most amazing crit combo if you absolutely MUST have TriForce on Vayne.

"Alternative" - Why is this outlined as an "alternative" build? I mean, It should just be the regular IE/PD/LW/BT/Boots with QSS (Now Mercurial Scimitar) instead of GA.

I'm sorry if i come across as a **** critizising all your builds, but most of those builds are... atrocious if you are an ADC. If the enemy team ADC builds like he/she "should", they WILL outdamage you, even if you are Vayne, which makes you automaically lose ANY advantage you had in being Vayne.

I love your guides in general, but this needs revision.

~Cheers, Athan.

- I wonder why i had to make a new acc :( I knew i had an old Mobafire account, but i guess it got removed.
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eddie199 (18) | December 13, 2012 2:33am
Nice build +1 can you take a look at my kassadin build.
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Kog Maw (18) | December 10, 2012 9:29am
I really must say this is one of the best builds on MOBAfire.com!
Exept MissMaw's Kog'Maw build :P
Reallly good...right everything! Greetings from kog'maw!!!
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makapromaka (5) | December 10, 2012 6:15am
Greate guide XD
Still while you updated your guide you missed that in part Broken Down Choices The Black Cleaver doesnt give any attack speed in season 3. Change it. ^^

I like your pictures that you made by your self. In warwick guide those pictures of q w e r and cool wolf picture in black white color. Keep working on it. SO GOOD GUIDE!

+1 VOTE ! XD
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jhoijhoi (1894) | December 10, 2012 5:46am
Well I only just made all of those screenshots, but I'll take your concern into consideration for future examples. Sorry :/
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Sigma117 | December 10, 2012 5:29am
One thing I'd like to ask...if you plan on updating the screencaps in the guide, could you use colourblind mode at all? I can't tell which team is which in them :T
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jhoijhoi (1894) | December 8, 2012 6:58pm
Damage output is less with Shiv in the build.

IE SS BT LW: 693 + 20.4-40.9 (lowest value is unmoving, highest value is moving)
IE PD BT LW: 781

You even are doing magic damage with the proc, which is virtually useless.

The item may be good for pushing, that's fine. But would I ever replace Phantom (ability to phase through tanks and minions) with Shiv (AoE damage, random proc of magic damage?)? No.
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Embracing (348) | December 8, 2012 6:11pm
I don't know about the damage but Shiv is popular on ADCs because of how it lets them push super quickly, which the game is mostly focused on - highly aggressive pushing and pressuring
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jhoijhoi (1894) | December 8, 2012 3:18pm
^As a pick over Phantom Dancer? With the ability to phase through minions? ADC with Inf Edge and Phantom is going to do more damage than Inf and Shiv. I'll make up a graph tonight.
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astrolia (259) | December 8, 2012 12:32am
jhoijhoi wrote:

Shiv is a terrible item on ADCs.

Wot.
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Embracing (348) | December 7, 2012 9:01pm
Shiv is NOT terrible Jhoi O_O

It allows for so much split push and farm potential.

Everyone is running it in high elo atm for ADCs
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jhoijhoi (1894) | December 7, 2012 8:35pm
Shiv is a terrible item on ADCs. If you're looking for a "new" item to try on Vayne, go the reworked The Black Cleaver. It's scary good :)
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vipstyles | December 7, 2012 8:26pm
Nice Vayne guide, shes my favorite ADC to use so much kills and ks with her. I was wondering now with new items out, would it be better to replace Phantom Dancer with Stattik Shiv for the lighting passive?
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jhoijhoi (1894) | December 6, 2012 9:48pm
lol, so what exactly are you disagreeing with? I say that if you play aggressively and can get off 3 consecutive shots to level Silver Bolts first :)
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decilepsy | December 6, 2012 9:37pm
I totally disagree with this guide, when i play vayne I make sure to get a nunu support if i can, and always max w first. I use q and e plus 1 auto to combo and poke when i can. The true damage allows you to shred those tanky supports. I take boots and pots lvl 1 following up with either a dorans blade or getting vamscpeter for sustain. Then i will start prioritizing attack speed becuase i rely on true damage and i want proc the true damage as often as i can.
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jhoijhoi (1894) | December 5, 2012 1:20pm
SupaBlunt: I'm glad my guide has helped you out a little bit :)
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SupaBlunt | December 3, 2012 5:07pm
This is a nice build :) I see alot of your build now..and my mindset begin to change cause of you...now I can make my own builds thank u so much
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jhoijhoi (1894) | December 2, 2012 10:50pm
Xeronn: Dem updates =.=

Voison: No problem! I'm glad the guide is helping you out. Good luck on the Fields of Justice!
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Voison (1) | December 1, 2012 3:37pm
Thank you for this awesome guide, really teaching me a lot about Vayne & how to play her.
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Xeronn (75) | November 27, 2012 5:41pm
The images are nice ^^

On a note of season 3, brace yourself for the storm of updates x)
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jhoijhoi (1894) | November 27, 2012 5:12pm
@Anyone interested: Added some in-game screenshots for clarity of ideas. More to come. I will also be writing a little extra for most of the chapters to explain some of the images. Just a 2 hour update, nothing too major. When Season 3 comes, I'll update the guide to the nth degree, including masteries and items etc. Lots of work ahead.
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jhoijhoi (1894) | November 15, 2012 10:49pm
LikeDMG: Sorry? I'm not sure what you're asking. Welcome to MobaFire, though ^^
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LikeDMG | November 14, 2012 4:53am
Im New and i want that you like or disslike ms guids
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jhoijhoi (1894) | November 11, 2012 1:20pm
MasXArgo: Condemn is indeed a great ability disrupt channelled ultimates :) I'm glad you liked the guide, good luck with future games as Vayne on the Fields of Justice!

LordSyruss: Thanks, I really appreciate your comment. When I update the guide for S3, I'll make sure that those descriptions are more detailed, so people like you, who benefit from them, will be able to make even more use from them :)
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LordSyruss | November 10, 2012 3:06pm
What I like in particular about this guide is that, unlike other guides, there aren't four different ones for each style of play. This does a great job of laying out the play-style variations side by side, so it's easy to try and tailor your play-style. Specifically the sections that deal with items. Most guides will list 5 or 6 primary items, and then another couple alternate items. Here, we can see a number of full sets and a description of each set. For me, at least, it made it very easy to understand the different uses for each item in each situation.
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MasXArgo | November 5, 2012 5:02pm
+1 +1 +1!!! THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS AMAZING GUIDE!!! my first match with her, i fed so hard:P my first match with her after this guide, 21/4/10!! even though my team was less than skilled and we lost, me being the only one positive, i still had so much fun! and condemn is such a great counter to fiddlesticks ult or kats. using a tumble/condemn combo to stopped fiddlers ult, or condemn/tumble away to save your team from getting chased down if he already has it going. i love this guide and my only problem is, that i cant give it more than just +1 like. - now if you'll excuse me, i need to make at least one more account to like this guide again :)
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jhoijhoi (1894) | November 1, 2012 2:10am
Hakunamatata: Heya :) Well, the build is right there for you to see, you'll have to judge the order of the items to buy. But if you really need a hand figuring out a standard tanky build order, here is an example of what could be built:

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hakunamatata1327 | October 31, 2012 3:41am
Hi jhoijhoi I know this is probably too much to ask, I still want to try anyway.
in your guide you got Attack Speed Build,Standard ADC Build,Tanky Trinity Force Build, but your build only show your Attack Speed Build item order.
I want to try your Tanky Trinity Force Build because I'm new with her. Can you put up item order for it please, I'm a sucker to follow build order!!
thanks a lot!! :)
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foobeans | October 30, 2012 8:51pm
Awesome build :D

My team had an epic comeback, with me ending the game as 31/6/13 as Vayne.
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Foraiur (1) | October 27, 2012 9:51am
Always love seeing your guides!

Great work as always and please keep it up! ^^
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UnfailingVenus | October 27, 2012 6:28am
Great guide!
Just went 26-3-8 in a 5v5!
Was amazing!
This is my new favorite champ!
Thanks for the guide!
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Bobbafettishist | October 25, 2012 6:20pm
Thanks in advance for your guide! As soon as I have time to play Vayne, I will try it and follow your guide as it is very well written and you seem to know what you are talking about! Thanks and can't wait to try this out!!
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Angoscia | October 23, 2012 2:46pm
Thank you for the wonderful guide! First time playing Vayne and I must say, I love her. This guide helped me out quite a bit to get to know her before stepping into an actual match.

Great work! Voted up!
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jhoijhoi (1894) | October 23, 2012 1:39pm
Fola: Added that section back in, just updated it a little. Also added an "alternative items" section for the items that are viable but not covered.

glhf with your Vayne games, everyone :)
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fola789 | October 23, 2012 3:59am
ok thanks
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jhoijhoi (1894) | October 23, 2012 2:41am
Cresendo: Armour Pen Marks are useful all around but AD Marks scale better throughout the game, not to mention they make it easier to last hit. Sunder gives you 6 armour penetration and Weapon Expertise grants you 10% armour pierce. These masteries should tide you over until late game. Alternatively, if you intend to buy Black Cleaver (for whatever reason), the ArPen Marks stack nicely.

tl;dr - AD Marks scale better, ArPen is obtained via masteries.
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z Cresendo | October 22, 2012 1:07pm
would you recommend armour pen. or just attack damage for mark runes? I already have armour pen. and not sure if I should buy attack damage runes
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jhoijhoi (1894) | October 22, 2012 12:56pm
Ah, the multiple builds section. Sure, I can add that back in, I'll just have to update it. I don't have time to do that right at this very second, but I'll put that section back up tonight :)
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fola789 | October 22, 2012 9:03am
i liked the builds that were the like the speed build with the black cleaver and ionic and wits end i got loads of kills with that now its gone
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jhoijhoi (1894) | October 21, 2012 10:41pm
D: What did you like better about the older version? With this one I just condensed all the information, most of the information is still there, just rewritten D:
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fola789 | October 21, 2012 2:31pm
nooooooooooooooo the old one looks better please change it back
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A Chubby Baby (290) | October 21, 2012 3:08am
love the new look. and seriously, those dividers look awesome~
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jhoijhoi (1894) | October 21, 2012 2:54am
Updated the guide. Overhaul on content, graphical aesthetics and (small bonus) the build was tweaked too. Please post any comments, questions and concerns about this update and I'll try to get back to you as soon as feasibly possible :)
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Elensarit | October 17, 2012 1:38am
I followed the guide in my second game with Vayne and directly made a 14/3/1 with a Pentakill in it. Awesome guide and it really helped me :) thanks for it
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TUNDER 11 | October 11, 2012 12:29am
Wow,man what a nice build.
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iEclipse (3) | October 7, 2012 1:17pm
Oh wow. At first, I thought Vayne would be an impossible champ to play but... After reading this guide, I feel like i might have a chance at making it ^^ Nice job
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jhoijhoi (1894) | October 4, 2012 4:39am
Wow, it's been more than a year since this was published o.o Just letting you all know that I gave the guide a graphics touch-up and fixed some things. The rehaul isn't completely finished, but I'm happy with the editing I got done today :)

Keep on winning with Vayne!
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HtUnity | October 3, 2012 12:45pm
This is a very good build. I love the adc position and i say Touche on the build!
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starskyxaj | September 27, 2012 11:22am
I skore pentakill with this BUILD :) PRO BUILD ! <3
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Maddesz | September 25, 2012 10:46am
Dear jhoijhoi!

I read your build guide, and it was very great and instructive, you are awesome, and all of your guides are very very good! Thanks for all of your hard work!

My vayne stats with your help!

Thanks again, oh and of course, I gave you an upvote! +1 :D

Best wishes,
Maddesz
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Fourthewin (1) | September 23, 2012 5:06pm

Hi,

I voted and I'd like to ask if you could help me a bit. See, I've been playing for maybe 1 1/2 years, or maybe even 2 years, but believe it or not, I've never had a main nor can I build champions purely from my head.

So I read your guides. All of them, and I particularly LOVE your Vayne guide, and I've read it twice ;D

To get to my point, I was wondering if you could possibly give me a tip or two or whatever, in building Vayne. I understand all the items, but I can never think of using the items to synergize with the champion I'm playing. It never comes to me. As an example (like I said I know every item in the game and it's stats etc, but I can never pair them to the champion I'm playing), I was recently playing Katarina, as a random pick. I ended up winning my lane and alls well, until I need to build more tanky for an AP Kata. My silly brain immediately says, "ok, I'll get a warmog". I was about to buy one until my teammate points out and says "Why not buy a Relai's?" (or however it's spelled :P ). DERPRRPRPRPRPRPRPRRP. This is just an example of my problem. I know items, I know champions, I know spells, but I can NEVER pair them up for a good build.

Please please please, help me with a few tips and tricks or advice <3

Thanks!

-MrNumbfumble

Build vayne a normal ad carry boots 3 health potions 2 dorans blades a vamiric scepter berserker's greaves b.f. sword then bloodthirster then build attack speed and crit and everything but a guardians angel its a huge waste of money and you wouldn't need one if you played vayne right by sitting behind your team fights so you dont get focused.
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Fourthewin (1) | September 23, 2012 5:02pm
Boots 3 health potions 2 dorans blades vamiric scepter bersker's greaves b.f. sword. BLOOD THIRSTER. Why in the world would you get that last?
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ninbushido | September 22, 2012 7:23pm
Jhoijhoi! I RUV YOU AND YOUR GUIDES!
Anyways, one thing I don't understand is why you choose to take Last Whisper or Black Cleaver. I personally don't take those items on Vayne due to her true damage. Rather, I take some more attack speed to proc that true damage health eat MORE to counter the armor that they got to counter me, rather than getting Armor Penetration. I usually try to get Madred's Bloodrazor, that 4% health eat in MAGIC damage is amazing, and is not countered by armor, and it gives some crazy attack speed to proc the 4% magic health eat and the true damage health eat from Vayne's W. Or, I get another Phantom Dancer in some cases. My usual build is Doran's Blade > Berserker's Greaves > Infinity Edge > Zeal & Vamp Scepter > Phantom Dancer > Bloodthirster > Guardian Angel > Madred's Bloodrazor/situational item like QSS, Thornmail, FoN, etc. Please explain your reasoning behind you getting Last Whisper. The only downside I can see associated with getting Madred's Bloodrazor and such, are the hefty costs associated with it. Show me some maths if needed :)
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MrNumbfumble | September 21, 2012 1:21pm
Hi,

I voted and I'd like to ask if you could help me a bit. See, I've been playing for maybe 1 1/2 years, or maybe even 2 years, but believe it or not, I've never had a main nor can I build champions purely from my head.

So I read your guides. All of them, and I particularly LOVE your Vayne guide, and I've read it twice ;D

To get to my point, I was wondering if you could possibly give me a tip or two or whatever, in building Vayne. I understand all the items, but I can never think of using the items to synergize with the champion I'm playing. It never comes to me. As an example (like I said I know every item in the game and it's stats etc, but I can never pair them to the champion I'm playing), I was recently playing Katarina, as a random pick. I ended up winning my lane and alls well, until I need to build more tanky for an AP Kata. My silly brain immediately says, "ok, I'll get a warmog". I was about to buy one until my teammate points out and says "Why not buy a Relai's?" (or however it's spelled :P ). DERPRRPRPRPRPRPRPRRP. This is just an example of my problem. I know items, I know champions, I know spells, but I can NEVER pair them up for a good build.

Please please please, help me with a few tips and tricks or advice <3

Thanks!

-MrNumbfumble
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FC Rinke | September 12, 2012 1:49am
Hello JhoiJhoi,

I've found an little mistake you made in your guide.

In the chapter: Broken Down Choices, at the damage line. You've putted 2 times trinity force. Im not sure if you want me to buy 2 times a TriForce, or you just made a mistake

Otherwise I've an question for you, ive recentley changed my MR Glyphs into AS Glyphs,
I made: 6xAttack speed vlads, and 3x Magic Resistance.

How do you think about that? Also starting with an cloth armor to build that into directly wriggles. Whats your opinion about that, I use that on my kogmaw games, but didnt tried it yet on vayne.

Ur guide is awesome, before I read it I actually used the pretty same build, so I wasn't suprised.

Last question is how do you think about an vayne bruiserish top like jayce?

Go on with making guides, ur doing awesome!

//edit
Even made a mobafire account to tell this to you, all your time you put in this guide, made me wanted to tell you made a fault=)

Keep your head up;

FC Rinke
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Mr Erth (1) | September 10, 2012 10:28am
You need to update a few numbers in the guide. Example: you state Atma's Impaler gives 2% of health as damage, whereas it only gives 1,5% (since nerf). I think I saw more, but can't recall which. You should give your items a quick once over to make sure they're update to date.

Otherwise a fabulous guide. +1
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Basinator (5) | September 7, 2012 7:44am
Things I want to note:
Maybe go a bit more in-depth with early game harassing with tumble.

Tumble & Finest Hour: I didn't see this often, but it was even more awesome when I did the first time. Dont just tumble away vs a single enemy if you are in ultimate. Instead, try to juke them. If you are at a crossroad, tumble the way which is further away from your usual safe-spot. Vs a single enemy you can even tumble behind them (?).

Not really many ppl seem to have recognized it, but Vayne has a pseudo, kinda unreliable brush- & fog-checker. Watch your MS, turn around some times. If it is increased while you are walking, it means you are running towards an enemy champ (passive, night hunter). However, the position is just rather vague and you cant tell how many enemies are waiting for you coming that way.
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Sigma117 | September 6, 2012 7:22pm
Just went 20/2/8 in PvP using this, can't be my 7th game as Vayne either. A great build and advice on skill usage.
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Olle Gjertssen | September 6, 2012 2:28pm
Awesome build.
It has worked perfectly for me everytime I tried it (3 times :3)
Here's a screencap of my scores from those games.
http://s1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/Fiskispiskis/?action=view&current=VAYNEFRFAN.jpg (I'm noob at forum posting so I can't embed. c:)
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Trodaire | September 6, 2012 11:30am
Really nice guide +1 from me ofc :)

Played a couple of times (as Vayne's for free now) and literally kicked some ***es on bot lane :)
Surely I will buy her and play more and more.

Here's a pic from my last game: http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/9121/vayne2715.jpg
Not very intelligent enemy team, kept focusing Akali and Darius, like they didn't see me. Had 8 kills before lvl 7.
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Minho (111) | September 5, 2012 4:07pm
Your ending banner says, "Vidictive Vayne"

Just a heads up, though, you probably have noticed it already xD
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nanoyam (6) | August 22, 2012 10:18pm
Thank you jhoijhoi. This guide was totally helpful and i got answers all of my questions. I love that you have so many options to choose and build and make Vayne even more powerful.

+1 Really nice Guide :)
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MarkusN | August 20, 2012 8:11am
Great guide, have played a lot of games with Vayne with this guide and have won most of them, the losses were due to teammates not exactly being... great.. :p

Anyway, just wanted to post a pic of a ranked game I did earlier today while keeping in mind that I accidentally managed to go in with AP runes :(
http://i45.tinypic.com/2ekkv13.png
So eventho I had the wrong runes, I still managed to do quite okay. ;)
Edit: Posted the link to the picture instead of embedding it, it just looked plain weird and didn't fit in correctly. :P
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FusRoDah (1) | August 15, 2012 2:31pm
Great guide, can't say much more than that. All your choices are explained in a proper way, the guide is nice to look at and there is so much information, yet I didn't bother reading it at all.
I had one small question about your runes though: With the new season 2 masteries, the 10% armor penetration from Weapon Expertise gives you a large boost to armor penetration, which makes it viable to run AD marks + quints. What are your thoughts on this matter?

ps: +1 from me!
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zxqfl | August 14, 2012 11:43pm
Have you read this article? It says that getting a second Phantom Dancer is always better than Last Whisper, whether your enemy has 30, 400, or 10000 armour. The true damage W procs from the increased attack speed are better than the 40% penetration. Skip to the end of the link for the section on Vayne (Kog'Maw and Corki as well).
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JimmyMadness (2) | August 14, 2012 4:24pm
finally i got some good matches and i bought vayne, i don't know what i did wrong but i found that having an early Wriggle's Lantern helped a lot in learning how to play vayne. Voted up
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billutza1092 (1) | August 12, 2012 3:43am
hi, i have something to add and also to question about your guide.
1)On the current meta,ad carry is "forced" to go bot with support.However,i ve never seen a section where it is described with what suport does the ad carry sinergizes better.I ve been playing vayne for quite a while and had tried different supports and leona,blitz and alistar are the ones that i preffer if i choose to go for offense and have some early kills.If the enemy lane has a cc support(taric,ali, blitz,leona)and an ad carry with some escape mech(ez,corki,cait)i will probably choose a support which provides sustain(sona,janna)and farm as much as I can.

2)Question:Don`t u think that doublelift`s build(rushing to BT instead of IE)as well as buying 2 daggers=>upgrade to zeal is more efficient than what u suggest?It`s not rocket science that vayne has probably the weakest early/mid game and that is why i think building BT first goes along with some sustain and stacking it +ulti will boost your ad nicely.
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march87 | August 11, 2012 11:41am
Nice, good job
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Dupre | August 6, 2012 5:00am
My first time to use Vayne, thanks to your guide :)
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Isthatok (67) | August 2, 2012 3:30pm
Could have sworn I posted this earlier, but apparently not o.O so I'll post again.

I couldn't have made my guide without this guide. Thanks so much! ^^
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Lord Crucio | August 2, 2012 3:05pm

Love your guide. I played with it for a pretty long time now and today I finally did a Pentakill with it in an unranked game:D Thanks. Like your picture says:

Brilliant

Edit: Today (the day after my posting) I played again certain games with Vayne and did another Pentakill. LOVE YOUR GUIDE! <3 (I know that i ****ed up that one game in my match history xD)

Brilliant
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jhoijhoi (1894) | July 31, 2012 7:55am
I've been afk/mia for a bit, so I'll only answer/respond to the comments/questions on this page and the last, so if I miss your query or compliment, please don't hesitate to comment again!

MrCuddowls: Wooooow, 37 kills in one game? Noooo way! :3

HunterKillerBot: That's great to know that the build works for people who don't have the runes/masteries. Alistar + Vayne is a very nasty combo.

Focspike: So, when deciding whether to purchase a BC or LW, you have to consider the enemy team composition. Most guides/people say "DON'T TARGET THE TANK!" but it's actually commonly the tank who has the most CC and who is within safe shooting range. So check to see how much armour everyone is building. If the enemy team has no armour, definitely grab the BC. If the support and top lane both have Frozen Heart's, then you know you're absolutely going to need that LW.

As for deciding when to build tank Vayne... It really depends. If you're getting really badly hurt in lane, say you're against a Taric + Caitlyn lane with a lot of damage, you may want to rush a Wriggle's, Merc's and possibly run that Frozen Mallet/Atma's combo. But only do this if you have significant damage on your team from some other source. If you are the sole source of damage for your team, you NEED to build damage.

JimmyMadness: Thanks for not downvoting. It could be because you're not used to Vayne's playstyle. She plays sort of like an assassin. You can run in and deal damage at any time, as long as you have an escape route. But most players know to target Vayne, so it's easy to go negative.

SloppyJoe124: haha! 34/2/5! Nice :)

Evellynfanboy: o.o... sounds like an interesting build.

Ballonzebra: What is with these people running ridiculously high k/d/a's with Vayne?? My god D:

NAVengLmfao: Possibly :) I'm back at university and I won't have much time for MobaFire, but if I remember, I'll make sure to drop by your Lee Sin guide.

Littleboy: Definitely. When you item-up an ADC, they become unstoppable. Keep pwning games.

FiredRage: :/ I'm not sure if I understand your question, sorry D: It's 1am here in Australia and I'm not thinking right. I'll come back to it after uni tomorrow! :)
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FiredRage | July 30, 2012 10:30pm
Hey there, fast question for you. Would using last whisper be a good idea??? You would get the two/three attacks with Pen, and then the true damage. Just another way of using more items, (less cost) More damage.
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LittleBoy#256893 | July 29, 2012 8:30am
Oh man, i just played a game where the enemy team fed me a little bit in early game - GG

When she gets her items she is ****in awesome and unkillable. late game one shot = half of enemy life

+1
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-NA- Veng Lmfao (169) | July 28, 2012 9:50pm
+1. A very detailed & impressive guide. You've earnt my +1 this time.
Maybe you could check out / upvote my Lee Sin build? Thanks
~Veng Lmfao.
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ballonzebra | July 27, 2012 10:20pm
went 50/3/12 in unranked great build. got 2 triple and a quadra kill
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ballonzebra | July 27, 2012 10:20pm
went 50/3/12 in unranked great build. got 2 triple and a quadra kill
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evellynfanboy | July 25, 2012 12:32pm
to only have fun with her, only buy 4 bloodthrirster a black clever and the infinityedg = 500 damadge
XD
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SloppyJoe124 | July 25, 2012 2:10am
Your text to link here...
My game as Vayne with this guide. 34/2/5
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JimmyMadness (2) | July 24, 2012 12:26pm
i'm not sure what i am doing wrong but for now i got: 0/3, 2/6, 4/2, 1/4. And that's bad because the match before i went 10/0 with another champ.... maybe i'll be better with some practice... I'm not going to downvote this guide but i'm not even upvoting until i get a good score :P
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focspike | July 24, 2012 2:06am
Hi, fantastic guide by the way, I've read it over countless times trying to improve not only my Vayne play but general AD play.

I have a couple questions, coming from a somewhat experienced player but still new to the whole choosing items scene. When do you decide to buy a Black Cleaver over a LW? And what factors in game cause you to decide you need a tank vayne build?
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HunterKillerBot (1) | July 24, 2012 1:46am
I don't know how to attach images. But I went with "Your Vayne Build." and went 15/5/8. Finished the entire build. Longest streek 7, largest multi 3. And won the match. Started off Alistair and I bot vs Graves and Alistair bot. Have to say I love the GA. I built it 5th though (before Last Whisperer) as the enemy wasn't stacking a ton of armor. I was only level 15 btw, so my only runes are tier 1 armor runes, and I'm lacking heavily in masteries. But the build is viable even for those not level 30 yet. :)
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MrCuddowls (47) | July 22, 2012 7:38pm




This is pretty much the ****ing Expensive build but instead of the Trinity i bought a Phantom Dancer.
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Keondre (221) | July 22, 2012 12:23pm
Heal works better for AD carries, it just does.
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Anonimus D | July 22, 2012 12:14pm
You screwed up your masteries... Check your summoner's spells you took FLASH and HEAL and on masteries you took HEAL improve (Summonre's Resolve)... You should take FLASH and IGNITE or EXAUST and improve that instead heal ... :)
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blackmicheal | July 22, 2012 2:33am
This guide helped me greatly. Quick question, have u ever considered/tried vayne top? I've heard of it being done, and wondered if u believe this guide would work for that.
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Neqzify | July 21, 2012 6:33pm
Just tried this in ranked and I won every game so far :) (screenshot)

+1

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Thing O Doom (3) | July 19, 2012 8:30am
Quoted:
This item will allow you to take a little bit more damage due to the boots in resistances,

I think you mean boost :P Minor typo in 'my main Vayne build' on the Guardian Angel. Sorry to nitpick like that...
+1 to the great guide.
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Chie | July 18, 2012 8:49pm
Instead of last hit you put list hit
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Trallie (1) | July 16, 2012 11:21am
Jayce Just so I can see his abilities, sorry for useless comment.
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RoxterRocking (3) | July 14, 2012 7:17am

Went negative once but otherwise tend to do really well.
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MatheusGrilo | July 11, 2012 11:41am
I really think is better another Phantom Dancer in the place of the Last Whisper, but The Bloodthirster before the second Phantom Dancer >.< awesome guide, thx
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Nikolev | July 11, 2012 9:20am
Forgot to say, in my 33-2 match i picked up my infinity edge before 15 xDDDD
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Nikolev | July 11, 2012 9:04am
Hey jhoi. Just wanted to say your guide r@pes, and so does vayne. +1.

I also have a screenshot (its not all the match history with vayne, i had 8 games in a row and we won all 8, the screenshot shows 6 out of 8).

Also i find the best support for vayne to be blitzkrank. rocket grab, tumble, knockup, stun, and you didnt even need your ult. Also both can escape pretty easy from ganks.

Here is the screenshot. Post it =)

**Thanks to my teammate, best blitz ever. :)
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Fourthewin (1) | July 11, 2012 8:50am
I followed this build completely changing only 2 things which were instead of getting the B.F. Sword first I bought zeal and broght that up to Phantom dancer right away. The second thing I changed was instead of getting a guardian's angel I bought a Madred's Bloodrazor. All in all amazing guide I used it to first time Vayne and went 41/8/9.
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BlazeTemplar | June 30, 2012 11:48pm
23-4-8 -_- Just finished the build when we won with like 0 gold leftover haha very nice guide :)
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Ayakashi (1) | June 29, 2012 4:39pm
18-2-21 F****** Expensive Vayne. The assists are from trynda**** spin slashing through a wall after a good 6 seconds into a fight breaking out b/w me and enemy MF.
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Kamirusan | June 27, 2012 11:55am
This guide is one of the best out there and thanks to it I find Vayne really fun to play! It also inspired my own guide about Vayne. Jhoijhoi, thanks a lot!

Just so that you know, Tanky Vayne Build is surprisingly amazing!

I only have a little suggestion - it often is great to pick up Vampiric Scepter or Dagger earlier before you get your first B.F. Sword. It will compensate for the lack of early damage! :)

Cheers!
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eehhhh | June 26, 2012 2:51am
Just went 32-3-10 with your ****ing expensive build

-______-
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jhoijhoi (1894) | June 23, 2012 4:50pm
Thanks for the positive comments, guys.

lfcorres: Not really. If you're going to get Black Cleaver, rush it. Otherwise it's useless end game.
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Athradien (7) | June 22, 2012 5:06am
Don't fully agree with some of the base information (Masteries, Items, Skills, etc) but then again, everyone has their own style. Still a detailed guide :)
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lfctorres (1) | June 18, 2012 8:23pm
would you recommend the black cleaver after zeal?
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stoky | June 18, 2012 3:04am
I went condemn over silver bolts early in this game, and changed up the order in which I purchased my items, but followed the basics of your guide :) I've played vayne as a main since level 5 and this is one of my better games. I believe your guide is vastly superior to others that have been written and will help many people appreciate undervalued characters such as Vayne.
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Liadain | June 12, 2012 1:31am
Newbie Vayne player here (I'm probably considered a newbie LoL player, too, considering I'm only level 17). I read your guide yesterday, and after a lot of Vayne practice, I'm able to do some awesome things with her! Thanks for the help!!! ^_^ We lost the last game, but it was a 3v5 for most of it, so I'm happy with my performance. I have my best game highlighted. :] Link to the full pic is at bot.

Here's the full pic
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v716/darkamethystprincess/Vaynehistory1.jpg
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oniepoop | June 10, 2012 8:58am
great guide, was just wondering how do we submit scores?
+1
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redux32 | June 9, 2012 7:13pm
No problem :)
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merauder315 (1) | June 9, 2012 8:21am
ohhh ok thank you redux, i misunderstood then. i appreciate the clarification
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redux32 | June 8, 2012 10:00pm

great guide i must say. but there is one thing that bothers me about it. you mention getting two gp10 items to help you make back the gold you werent able to farm if you were behind and having a rough start. uhm... the gp10 items have a unique passive bro. you only benefit from having 1 of them.


Quoted:
V1.0.0.120:
Gold per 10 effect is now Unique. It won't stack when the bonus comes from itself, but it will stack when having different items.
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merauder315 (1) | June 8, 2012 9:04pm
great guide i must say. but there is one thing that bothers me about it. you mention getting two gp10 items to help you make back the gold you werent able to farm if you were behind and having a rough start. uhm... the gp10 items have a unique passive bro. you only benefit from having 1 of them.
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Tyrique (3) | June 8, 2012 7:52am
Perfect. So detailed. You can defenitely see who are the best guide writers on the site.
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R0xaskill | June 7, 2012 10:37am
Nice!
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Raiiiin (1) | June 7, 2012 3:02am
Wow great guide i will use Vayne again :P i was not usin here for a long time becuz she was makin me sometimes so mad with here tumble becuz i failed sometimes...but with this guide i will get some free kills :D
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Arnwolv (1) | June 6, 2012 9:14am
Am I a horrible person for preferint to get condemn before tumble? :P
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Aquetis | June 4, 2012 7:06pm
This build pumps out some amazing damage throughout the entirety of a game. Great Build!
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imspy | June 4, 2012 3:35pm
First penta ever for me with this guide! TY very much)
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Winniedapoonbear | June 3, 2012 3:04pm
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/513/halloffamevayne.png/

Add this to your hall of fame, once riot gave me the free IP boost I knew I had to win a bunch in a row.


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Phil15 (23) | June 1, 2012 8:31pm
So which is your favorite between Vayne and Ashe?

Not asking about which is better its situational.

Personnaly I enjoy Vayne way more than Ashe.

You should think of making a Sivir guide
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Godfarter | May 29, 2012 2:31pm
I made an account on here just so that I could thankyou for this amazing guide, just got a 17 streak with this getting several trips. Great guide, +1
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jhoijhoi (1894) | May 23, 2012 7:11am
Black: Wow, nice score :)

Robo: haha, thanks ^^
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Robo Ninja Monky (52) | May 21, 2012 2:28am
I love the look of your guides...this one looks like it was made on a whole other site, lol. Very nice! I also love the detail included, good job!
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Blackhardt | May 15, 2012 2:32pm
New Vayne player here, went 22-2-7. This is a good build!
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jhoijhoi (1894) | May 10, 2012 1:25am
Varus can use the same build, yes. It's "THE Generic AD Carry Build".

@everyone: I added spoiler tags to my guide. This should make reading the "actual" content easier :)
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Paralysekid (1) | May 9, 2012 1:35pm
I think the items are good to use on Varus too, dont you think?
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Nytrite (17) | May 7, 2012 11:03pm
I love your guide!!!!! Here are some of my results.....

I JUST REALLY WANNA SAY THANKS TO YOUR GUIDE... Nothing really much to change it's already perfect to me
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alektramp (7) | May 7, 2012 7:42am
Hay, me again, i have posted before, still think it is cool,and also to say, i will be taking a part of the warding section and the exhaust part for my Varus build.If its ok
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WizzDCast | May 6, 2012 7:47pm
Im a cait fan but I tried vayne cause ppl say is the best ad carry ingame and well... im addicted to vayne now and its because of this GUIDE! It's perfect and trully explains how vayne works and how it should be played... as for the build... oh man oh man... DAT VAYNE! DAT DAMAGE!... its not a coincidence this build is the top vayne's cause i did 30/5/10 in a game (2 quadras[One i finished an ace but took a lil more time cause he ran :(] Lost count of tripples and doubles =x) and i can only imagine im having a hard time laning against Ashe cause your guide is also first there lol... anyway ill try to send the screenshot from the game... thanks again for the guide1 kkep up the good work mate!

When i play cait i dont always get a LW (only if the team is very very tanky) cause more the armor more that %armor penetration will work but in vayne cause cause of silver arrows it makes perfect sense to do a BC, its just perfect... and you can get it pretty earlly (AD CARRY = FARM) so when you get that greaves and that BC its just a matter of time till they surrender... also BC gives a lot more attack speed proc with bloodthirstier proc phantom dancer proc huge damage that lifestill will be just stupid... yes you seen that tryndamere fed or that AD sion with ulti.. you know what i mean...
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Padookey | May 5, 2012 11:13pm
Great build, really helped me get a few wins... Thanks! :)
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Smasterr | May 5, 2012 4:20pm
I've stumbled upon your guide by mere coincidence, while I was surfing the main page. I must say that you sir , you're awesome, so is this guide. I think you're one of the most dedicated members as into that of making guides. You've inspired me to play vayne, I must admit I disliked her, I had never played her before, and didn't plan to, but now that has changed, after nine matches of steamrolling people with ridicoulously good K/D/A ratios. You sir, you're awesome. Thanks, thanks a lot for this magnificent guide.

<----Sir mode off---->
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anreell | May 5, 2012 2:02pm
Nice guide, thanks !

First game with your standard Vayne items:

PENTA-KILL ;-b
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Mullhy | May 5, 2012 12:23pm
nice guide !
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jhoijhoi (1894) | May 4, 2012 7:35pm
Xaio: Yup, definitely. I know BC isn't optimal on an AD carry, the only one other than Vayne I'd buy it on is Corki. To be fair, it's kind of a "played so many games, did really well with this" sort of build. Many people WILL do better with IE - and I don't condone that at all. As you said, it's my preferred build, it's just something I "do". Like how I start with boots+pots on jungle Alistar, get wolves, get blue, then gank mid - it's just something I do. Others may say, "Don't get W 2nd level, you need E to jungle" but I'm relying on the kill from mid to level up.

Anyway, kinda off tangent, I know, but that's why I get BC on Vayne. It works personally for me. So I won't go through my personal build, because that's just... my odd way of playing, and I list 1000000 other options and explain why I grab what I grab. It's not me deliberately trying to make someone fail - I state clearly in the guide that my prefered build works for me, and it may not work for the player ^^

(with regards to the armpen, again, it's personal preference. As I'm *not* grabbing LW, I need the little bit extra in conjunction with BC to "do work")

As for the Standard build, I'll make all those changes. As it was, I just wanted to put out an alternative build that satisfied everyone. Basically all those people who demanded I max Condemn first, those who say "Cleanse is a must!", and those who hated the Black Cleaver build ;) But that's for pointing out the Standard AD build needs to be upgraded. Will fix ^^

Thanks Xaio, +rep :3

Edit: Or not, 24hr waiting period.
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PsiGuard (881) | May 4, 2012 7:25pm
Too bad I can only Rep Xaioli once a day.
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Xaioli (262) | May 4, 2012 6:58pm
ALRIGHT JHOI, you offered so I'll take you up on it! :P

Since you divided your set up in two sections, I'll tackle your preference and then the "standard AD section"! :)

Preference Build:

First, I know you've probably heard the question many of times before about Black Cleaver and I'll be another person to add onto your pile! Yes yes, I made sure I read that it is your "preference" but I personally believe that IE or BT is such a stronger buy for Vayne than TBC just because of how cheap and easy it is to pick up a Chain Vest which makes a lot of it's viability go away. Also one thing that I especially want to point out is that if you are still laning and walk in lane with a TBC, if the enemy laner is somewhat building properly, you honestly should not win most of your trades. LW is obviously the item I suggest you swap in for the source of "armor penetration" but LW not first item ofc ;) Honestly I won't really talk much about the item build for this section just because if you swap a item in or out, it's going to massively change item priorities so I will leave the redundancy of repeating items and swaps out.

Second, I feel like a jerk pointing it out since it was JUST patched, but Ignite is honestly a lot stronger than Heal now. Pre-nerf Heal was still questionably stronger than Ignite depending on who gets the first summoner off but now, it's almost undoubtedly stronger. Vayne is one of those champions that if you fight in lane, you're going all in and landing a Ignite before Heal is honestly pretty easy to do :p

Third, I know there's a lot of talk about Armor Penetration and AD marks. Once again, I know someone is reading this is going AHHH ITS HER PREFERRED BUILD BRO. Yes I know! Honestly, going flat AD's should be the more optimal option here since it helps primarily with last hitting and some harassing that goes down in lane. Yeah ArP might be better a bit for mid game but the last hitting factor here is key. Also for someone that has spells that scale off AD, getting as much as possible really helps laning! :)

Fourth, I honestly do not agree with the three points in Vigor and two in Resistance (+MR) found in the Defense tree and I feel like they should be tossed straight into the +HP/level and +flat HP. The reasoning is because Vayne at one point in the lane HAS to all-in. Putting points into rejuvenating talents honestly sets back Vayne's potential when the inevitable all-in comes. The masteries I didn't mention are fine. If you DO take the Ignite over Heal suggestion for summoner's, you obviously take one out of buther and put it in Summoner's Wrath but I'm sure you know that :p


Standard AD Build:

Alright since this is the Standard AD build, I'm just going to be very blunt and straight to the point! :p

First, Cleanse is honestly rarely ever taken in lane just because of it's weakness compared to strong summoners like Heal and Ignite. In mid and late game, Cleanse is a very redundant and worthless summoner because you should always have a QSS or GA on an AD carry. If you still get caught or smashed with those items, your team is not doing something right or you just need to position better.

Second, I very rarely see Vayne's max Condemn just because of Tumble's viability with damage, mobility and easy help to secure mass amounts of last hits. Yeah, Condemn does a fair amount of damage but looking at what Tumble has to offer, I suggest your "preference" skill sequence that maxes Tumble over Condemn maxing. Also, Silver Bolts should almost always be maxed seconds. There are times where you don't want to but the instances where that applies are very very slim.

Third, let's briefly talk about items! Most Vayne players do not go for BF into Zeal just because of the importance of an early Bloodthirster(obviously go IE if you win lane so hard 5kills + and huge cs lead). In fact, most Vayne players go boots -> Dorans x1, x2 or x3 because of Vayne's questionable laning phase. I don't blame you for not putting it in Skill Sequence just because of the situational aspect to them. Also, I hope the QSS at the end is a GA because GA > QSS. QSS is only grabbed mid-game because GA is a bit expensive and QSS is a cheaper version of GA but I'd gladly take GA because of it's defensive stats and revive if you somehow die.

Fourth, while briefly skimming after your guide, I saw you speak about Butcher and I agree. Most players who play AD don't need that and those points can go into some other places. However seeing as this is a guide and there are new players, they might need Butcher as they learn to last hit. They better not rely on it though! Only reason why I brought this up is mainly because every point in lifesteal matters in mid-late game!

Sorry if it was a lengthly read! You told me I could so I did :p. I hope you take some of this advice into consideration, I definitely don't expect you to change everything just because of what I say but the above is just recommendations! Solid and pretty looking guide overall.
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iIiFaNtArOsIiI | May 4, 2012 2:48pm
Very nice build! But what i use for last hitting at minions and champs is: using w skill i attack two times and the third i trumble so i can get the bonus dmg as true dmg. is that right?
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pieguy1234 | May 4, 2012 5:27am
seems like a pretty good build
will try it soon
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tjpoo | May 3, 2012 10:58am
Great guide I enjoyed it, but reread the second bullet under the Tumble skill section:

"The uses of Tumble are numerous - one thing to mention though, is that Tumble DOES NOT got through any sort of wall at all. If you Tumble into something, Vayne with end up in an unpredictable location near where you Tumbled, so be careful that when fleeing/chasing you don't run into any walls"

Since I knew you like to have correct spelling and grammar and such, I thought I'd mention it so you could fix it.

Thanks!
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LaughingFox | May 3, 2012 12:49am
Still getting used to Vayne(4 games as her), the tumble into random things(like walls) makes for some pretty funny fails and the crossbow is tricky to get down (missed a few kills because of an inch). But man oh man this champion is fun fun fun FUN to play. I love your guide; the layout, the explanations, and the videos helped also! I was kind of sad when I saw in game that her ult only gave each tumble 1 second of invis (I think I read in your guide it gave 3.5s or something, though I could entirely be wrong and could just be my eyes playing tricks on me. how rude right? D=) but that is neither here nor there.

Thank you for writing this guide, it has definitely helped understanding Vayne before jumping in the deep end, even though I haven't won every match (lost 3 or the 4) I have done increasingly better with each match (idk how to take screen shots on LoL, unless I can just print screen it) and without runes (only 16 and I'd like to wait). ANYways I'll stop blabbing now. Thank ya again for the guide I enjoyed it and for you +1 ;D
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XXTh3G4m3 (3) | May 2, 2012 11:35am
i dont advise infinity as one of the last items for the build...it is more helpful than bloodthirster
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m1ckjagger | May 1, 2012 8:33pm
Wow amazing guide. Well written and detailed. Just melted my ranked game 12/2/8 thanks!
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Jotaa | May 1, 2012 12:15pm
awesome build
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Jotaa | May 1, 2012 12:15pm
awesome build
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S4PVT4d0r0s | May 1, 2012 8:22am



First time playing Vayne (free this week). I was 3 shotting everything in the game except for Hecarim (who 3 shotted me a few times :p).
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Xaioli (262) | May 1, 2012 1:47am
Rezzag wrote:


1. Harassing and Farming. If your bot in ranked games, going against a ranged carry, make sure u harass them with ur basic attacks exactly when they last hit a minion. That way, u can hit and run and they cant hit u since they're too far away and because their attack timer is still resetting.




You're also forgetting the crucial point about strafing in lane. Doublelift last hits perfectly with Vayne because he strafes parallel and horizontally given the layout of creeps. Anyone can "auto attack", getting away with CS, harass without a scratch on you is another thing.



Rezzag wrote:


also...
2. The Master AD Build....The build for any ad carry, and its fkn op!
Rush Bersker Greaves
Get Phantom Dancer
BT
IE
BT
Phantom




You have no Last Whisper so your item build is really flawed. The standard AD build is Boots 3 -> BF -> BT/IE -> PD -> (possible GA or QSS here)-> LW -> BT/IE (which you didn't get first time) -> QSS or GA if you didn't get one earlier.

Rezzag wrote:


I 1v4'd this with gp. It gives you around 400 dmg late game with VERY high chance to crit as well as amazing attk speed. U can also sell greaves late game for another phantom.

Against bad players, you can get away with that on GP. Selling boots as sixth item for PD is a very common thing that most AD's do.



I'm aware I'm replying to a guy with "1" post. Just teaching any new players reading this and trying to learn.
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Keondre (221) | April 30, 2012 1:59pm
Rezzag, IMO... greaves isn't good on carries. I tend to either get Mercury's Treads due to the tenacity it gives. But that is my opinion. JhoiJhoi.. your guides are so amazing! I use all of them :D
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Rezzag | April 30, 2012 5:54am
Hey JhoiJhoi, Love your guide!!! I recently got 6300ip, this entire guide persuaded me to buy her. But as i played I realized 2 things.

1. Harassing and Farming. If your bot in ranked games, going against a ranged carry, make sure u harass them with ur basic attacks exactly when they last hit a minion. That way, u can hit and run and they cant hit u since they're too far away and because their attack timer is still resetting.

also...
2. The Master AD Build....The build for any ad carry, and its fkn op!
Rush Bersker Greaves
Get Phantom Dancer
BT
IE
BT
Phantom
I 1v4'd this with gp. It gives you around 400 dmg late game with VERY high chance to crit as well as amazing attk speed. U can also sell greaves late game for another phantom.
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jhoijhoi (1894) | April 30, 2012 3:08am
Thanks for the comments, guys! I'm interested in the fast Phantom, I'll test it out when I can :)
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Suntelli | April 28, 2012 7:46pm
Great guide!
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FireStorm46 | April 27, 2012 4:10am
Great build! Just played 23/4/10 with it on normal 5v5! Thnx
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Fiesty Nat | April 23, 2012 9:42am
Very nice guide. I am always using your guide when playing Vayne and it is worth reading through it all, though it takes a lot of time! Get's my vote!
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Awadia | April 22, 2012 2:52pm
Here is my score, mby u can't see unless u click into the link, buy I went 29-1 totally amazing :D



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Psycho Rave | April 22, 2012 10:08am


I'm very pleased with your guide. Keep up the great work.


Here is a screenshot of my latest game
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rotflol | April 21, 2012 7:02am
I'm currently trying ad marks, lifesteal quints on my ranged carries. I go 2-3x dorans, vamp scepter, then pd, into black cleaver or ie or bt. I feel that vayne really can't trade straight up against other ranged carries now a days, but of course the matchup is highly situational depending on your supports. I just feel a fast pd, with lifesteal quints+ dorans/vamp is quick and enough for vaynes mid game. Where she can run around either split farming or roaming for kills/team fights. Just wanted to suggest the way that I play vayne in the 1700-1800 elo
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Halatiu | April 21, 2012 6:22am
Two words: ******* AWESOME ! With this build I won game after game without more than 2 deaths...I lose only when my allies over feed and I can do nothing...This is a +1 for me !
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Awadia | April 18, 2012 6:47pm
Thanks for this epic guide, went 29-1, believe it or not, I'll post it as soon as I figure out how :P
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Cazed | April 18, 2012 2:08pm
As with your Ashe build: It really helped me a LOT! I usually play Ezreal as carry and wanted to have a greater "champion pool" to play with... So I began to play with Ashe and Vayne and these two are huge fun to play with. ;)
I have to say: I'm really impressed of your work!
Thank you for that and keep up the good work!
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MysticalZelda (28) | April 18, 2012 5:48am
jhoijhoi wrote:
Mystic: Good luck with your Vayne games ^^

Thank you :). Ive been actually doing great on her with your build, 12 2 5 last night.
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Devilman521 | April 17, 2012 4:45pm
Best Vayne guide there is! Second going to Simplifyx. I don't really like the rest of them because they don't explain too deeply, from what i seen
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Exsplozz | April 17, 2012 1:24pm
Just bought Vayne today without realizing it was on sale, bought it with IP. Oh wel =(

Thanks for this amazing guide!
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jhoijhoi (1894) | April 17, 2012 1:14am
Polop: Glad to hear the guide helped you out :)

Mystic: Good luck with your Vayne games ^^
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MysticalZelda (28) | April 17, 2012 12:52am
Thank you, I just bought Vayne and every time before when I played her when she was free, I just did really bad. So now it´s gonna be a challenge to play her well :).
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Polop148 (8) | April 15, 2012 2:04pm
First time vayne this guide helps very much ty +1
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jhoijhoi (1894) | April 12, 2012 4:57pm
haha ^^ The Standard AD Carry build is perfect for late game. My build is more for early game dominance when the Black Cleaver can really do work. I actually updated the guide with some video gameplay of Doublelift's Pentakill's as Vayne, so I hope people can learn a bit from those videos :)
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Forgottenduty (78) | April 11, 2012 3:50am
Lightspeed reply lawl :P
By the way, even with Doublelift playing Vayne with your Standard AD carry build, I still find your preffered one better :) (saw a somehow dumb comment above, haters gonna hate^^)
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jhoijhoi (1894) | April 11, 2012 3:44am
^LOL. Thanks for picking that up. Maybe I'll edit it out, or maybe I'll leave it in for teh luls :P
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Forgottenduty (78) | April 11, 2012 3:40am
Quoted:
turn off utorrent through ctrl+****+escape

Quoted:
+****+

Is it shift maybe? :P
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darkmaster7 | April 5, 2012 2:17pm
great build went 31/13/16 carried my team when we were losing
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Jpikachu1999 (151) | April 2, 2012 11:30am
A quick question for you Jai.

What do you think of 3x Doran's Blades + Phantom Dancer? I've been seeing it as a core on most Vayne's in ranked recently, and it seems to work fairly well. It seems easier to farm than The Black Cleaver anyways, because you don't have to farm 1650 gold for a B. F. Sword.

Thank you in advance!
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DsCpGroody | April 2, 2012 7:42am
First of all, I want to say that your guide for Vayne is more then good, and I personally admire to people like you who have put really big effort in to things they do!!!
I build my Vayne exactly the same way, and I can just say that with this build, she do penta kills every single team fight, massive crits, huge damage output and most of all short cd on Q! I just went 21/8/18 in a 1 hour game, we were loosing because our Brand fed like hell enemy teemo and wukong, and then said bb and dc...but we didnt surrender and I finished this buidl and from 7/8/5 went to 21/8/18.... BEST BUILD AND GUIDE EVER!!!!
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Loganimals | March 31, 2012 3:26pm
I'm new to Vayne and this guide is excellent. It's incredibly detailed and well thought out.
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jhoijhoi (1894) | March 31, 2012 2:05am
I think you read it wrong. I said, "You have to think of it in a relative sort of way. If they have 100 health, that 4% isn't really going to do anything - ie, you deal 4 extra damage ONLY if you get that 3rd hit."

ie: I literally, for the sake of argument, said they had 100 health total (unrealistic, but I wanted to work with 10s so it was easy for readers to understand the math).

As you've said, if you get the proc off on a champion with 500 maximum health, yes, you will do the base 20 damage + 4% of 500 = 40 total extra damage on proc. But that's ONLY if you get that third hit. Only slightly less damage is guaranteed with Tumble first level.

Basically I caution against levelling Silver Bolts first because one must be actively aggressive to make great use of it. As you won't be auto-attacking the creeps in lane, the only time it will be useful is against the enemy champions. It is often much better to farm the lane and get every CS than to try and harass the enemies and rely on your support for safety if they retaliate.

Hope this helps :)
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greedsever | March 30, 2012 6:30pm
Hi jhoijhoi, just one question and i'm pretty new here ^_^

Supposedly I took silver bolt first as the starting skill instead of tumble. When I read your guide, it says it is no good early because of the % based damage. I always thought silver bolt does % damage on their total maximum damage and not their "current" health. You brought up a scenario where an enemy has 100 hp left and silver bolt does only 4% of that health. But the description of the skill doesn't says the way it is intended, since it noted "maximum health" instead of "current health". If the enemy has like 500 hp total, and you third hit with silver bolt that would be like 20 + 20 from % based = 40.So if you can shed some light on this, tyvm jhoijhoi ^_^.
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jhoijhoi (1894) | March 27, 2012 7:32pm
If you're going to rush an item other than BC it should be IE not BT. And there's a "Standard AD Carry" build up for that purpose. MobaFire is about personal builds. If you want to follow a 5000 elo person's build, go look for one.

I've always run BC and have found it extremely beneficial towards Vayne's dps, especially early game. If you like BT then buy it, I'm not telling you that BC is the one item you always buy first on Vayne, I'm telling you it's the way I build her. This is the way I build her and I find it works well for me.

Thanks for the continued feedback, though, all comments are appreciated :)
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nanoobit (14) | March 27, 2012 7:16pm
The point im trying to making is The Bloodthirster > The Black Cleaver > Phantom Dancer because you want to be alive to do damage.

Also i don't feel The Black Cleaver does anything, my opinion. Diginitas imaqtpie, the only pro who really builds the item, says its not good, but he just likes it. If this guide is in the interest of making people better the most ideal build is the best. The Black Cleaver is your preference, but IMO you should make a bigger case for The Bloodthirster over any other rush item.
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jhoijhoi (1894) | March 27, 2012 3:12pm
t3knix: Thanks for the feedback ^^

nanoobit: I still don't understand your point. I grab an early Zeal, I've got life steal via Vamp Scepter and I have armour pen through Black Cleaver. Everything you said in your post I have in my guide - it's purely situational when to finish BT and PD. You don't need a PD as your first item, and I suggest BC because it's usefulness is higher the earlier you buy it in the game.
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nanoobit (14) | March 26, 2012 3:49pm
jhoijhoi wrote:

Phantom is more for the movement speed boost and the boost in dps via Silver Bolts.



You don't do DPS when you're dead, the point i was trying to make, you can get away with it sure.
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t3knix | March 26, 2012 12:27pm
Wow, super like this build. Started off with maxing out condemn, but wasn't as successful as this build. Cleaver def helped with speed and ganking. Thanks a bunch! Very thorough build right here. Sometimes I just want to be greedy and take both the blue/red buff and start dominating! lol
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jhoijhoi (1894) | March 26, 2012 2:34am
Phantom is more for the movement speed boost and the boost in dps via Silver Bolts. An earlier BT is fine. As for early game builds - I have a section about "Help, what do do when dominated" that should help those in need. Thanks for the feedback :)
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nanoobit (14) | March 25, 2012 10:12pm
Not to be a downer, since all I do is criticize, but The Bloodthirster over Phantom Dancer is always the case. Sure Phantom Dancer gives more DPS, but vayne already sucks early game so why make it any harder. You might be able to abuse people in lower level games but early game vayne needs The Bloodthirster to survive focus in teamfights. After the nerfs to Tumble + Final Hour, focusing in the tumble duration is now much easier which makes dying more possible.

Also consider adding a section about early game itemization, its kind of a mix since you talk about games ending sooner but only offer hella expensive late game builds.

All vayne really needs to wreck is The Bloodthirster + Phantom Dancer + smart positioning.
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jhoijhoi (1894) | March 25, 2012 4:08pm
^*******it. Thanks for picking it up, will edit :P <3
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Zulan | March 25, 2012 3:48pm
Either I found a typo, or you are really talking about Ashe in a Vayne Guide :D :
Executioner: Fantastic on Ashe, synergizes well with the third hit of Silver Bolts.
Just so you know. It's in the Masteries section; Offensive. Awesome guide, like all of them =)
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jhoijhoi (1894) | March 25, 2012 2:47pm
Drunken: No problem, good luck with your Vayne games :)

Zypirian: Thanks :) <3
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GGZypirian (6) | March 25, 2012 8:38am
Amazing guide! You really keep impressing me with every guide!
+1!
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drunken0elf (8) | March 25, 2012 7:17am
jhoijhoi wrote:

Drunken: It's up to personal preference how you skill a champion. Q if you want more damage with your mobility, W if you are heavily into harass, E if you know you can land those wall stuns.

Don't buy crit chance/damage runes for Vayne. Don't buy any runes until you're level 20.



Thanks for the reply, i'll keep it mind.
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jhoijhoi (1894) | March 24, 2012 6:58pm
Updated the guide. Thanks for 900 votes (positive and negative), guys!
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jhoijhoi (1894) | March 24, 2012 6:20pm
Out of curiosity, I had a look at lolpro's Vayne skilling. MandatoryCloud, 2300 elo player, maxes Tumble first and then Silver Bolts. I'll most likely be taking this into account and changing my guide back to the way it was originally (before a multitude of comments demanded I change the guide), with Condemn maxed last.

It's comforting to know that a high elo player also feels the double damage on Condemn is not reliable :)
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jhoijhoi (1894) | March 24, 2012 6:14pm
Psi: Never knew you thought you were a SB support. I have all the explanations in my guide about why I skill the way I do, so not gonna repeat it here. As for Vet Scars - again, all explained in the guide. AD Marks - they're in the guide, I just have to explain it a little more the way I did in my Ashe guide (why they're viable over armour pen). Thanks for the feedback though.
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PsiGuard (881) | March 24, 2012 5:32pm
I still think you're wrong about Silver Bolts. I do R>W>E>Q now.

Veteran's Scars is a lot stronger on pretty much everyone than the MR and hp5 in the defensive tree.

I'd do AD marks now, with the new 10% arpen in the offensive tree. Also works wonders when you start boots and not doran's, since it keeps your early game damage at a reasonable level for harassing and last-hitting. I almost always have to start boots since wRAth doesn't play sustain supports. I know a lot of great players who start boots even with soraka/taric/alistar, simply because of the greater amount of mobility and sustain.
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jhoijhoi (1894) | March 24, 2012 4:10pm
Drunken: It's up to personal preference how you skill a champion. Q if you want more damage with your mobility, W if you are heavily into harass, E if you know you can land those wall stuns.

Don't buy crit chance/damage runes for Vayne. Don't buy any runes until you're level 20.
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drunken0elf (8) | March 24, 2012 7:48am
Hehe, the Vayne free week made me remember my old account which I had only bought Vayne and raged quit her cause I was terribad xD. Now that I got some skills I decided to go back to it and wow, jhoijhoi, I freaking love you :D

I do have some questions, and only hope you might possibly answer them. I do ask you a lot of questions, and one day hope that I will be able to acquire enough skills to repay this debt to mobafire by helping others and creating a guide.. or two.

1) When I play Vayne I grab 1 q, 1 w, then 1 e then max q, max w and max e. I now only play Vayne with my friend which uses ww and find condem only useful to push the enemy away from his tower to secure a kill. However, would maxing e before w make it easier to secure that kill?

2) I don't have runes yet, and I'm a large fan of phantom and infinity, so I don't know if some % increased crit dam runes would be any good on Vayne?
( like some greater seals of furor, +0.78% critical damage)
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NeroXD | March 24, 2012 2:23am
very good build 27/11/11 and a pentakill...tell me if u want the photo
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Henz707 | March 23, 2012 1:11pm

TY!!!!!!! Very good build!
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Fulundry (68) | March 23, 2012 12:23pm
First 6300 champ I bought. I remember when they came out with her (before the 8000 nerfs), but even so, she's pretty scary. I've started leveling Condemn over Silver Bolts now because of this guide. +1
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veteran of the horde | March 22, 2012 6:06pm
used vayne 0/7 saw your guide used veyne again 15/2
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jhoijhoi (1894) | March 22, 2012 3:48pm
Kuuluud: ^^ I'm glad they're helping you out.

Zell: lol that's a pretty odd rule of thumb, to be honest :) I grab BC on Vayne only early game. If it gets to 40 minutes in and you don't have any Armour Pen, you're better off buying Last Whisper. As for Mark's of Strength - I thought they were in there, but I guess I could add them in.

Stand: ilu2 :P
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iStandAloney (4) | March 22, 2012 3:42pm
I love you.
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Zell (42) | March 22, 2012 3:06pm
Awesome guide, reckon you should include Greater Mark of Attack Damage in the rune section for the sake of it. Regarding the whole The Black Cleaver vs Last Whisper debate, rule of thumb is that Last Whisper is better against a team with Taric otherwise The Black Cleaver is fine. +1
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Kuuluud | March 21, 2012 3:41pm
I have used alot of your guides. Nice one again.
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jhoijhoi (1894) | March 21, 2012 3:15pm
Ninja: haha nice.

GroundForce: It's an interesting item, but I never really bought Hexdrinker on Vayne before. I can see the benefits though. I'll test it out and see how it goes :)
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GroundForce | March 21, 2012 2:53pm
Hello, Great guide for new vayne players out there.
I have a question, would you consider adding The Maw of Malmortius in one of the builds?
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ninja teemo | March 20, 2012 11:22pm
nice build i try it and get a 34-4-39
+1
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jhoijhoi (1894) | March 20, 2012 7:57pm
Alex: No worries, glad it helped you out :3
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AlexRedline | March 20, 2012 1:05pm
wow.....this build helped me so much! Tnx!!!!
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jhoijhoi (1894) | March 19, 2012 11:29pm
Kitty: There are discrepancies because there will be discrepancies in the game. I figured it was the easiest way of showing that there is a multitude of "accepted" ways to build Vayne ^^ Thanks for the feedback though, I'll think about trying to make everything uniform.
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KittyGoddess544 | March 19, 2012 8:04am
This is a fantastic, very thorough guide. I can tell a lot of work went into it. Might I suggest you fix the quick reference at the top to show your preferred item build order? That makes it a bit easier to quickly look at the guide and know what to build and when. What you have posted is very different from what you suggest later on. Otherwise, excellent build and nice strategy explanations. I love that you detail why you don't level Condemn early on and why you like to focus attack speed, and I can get a lot of knowledge from all the different ways to build Vayne. I look forward to trying them all!
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jhoijhoi (1894) | March 18, 2012 8:50pm
Terraz: Yeah, redundancy is a problem... I've tried a few times to cut stuff out, but it's hard to do so when everything is so relevant =.= I mean, I've already cut 500 words out, but it looks like I should cut more :/
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Terraz | March 18, 2012 3:41pm
great guide, just a bit redundant/confusing at some points but overall one of the most complete guide of mobafire for sure!
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jhoijhoi (1894) | March 18, 2012 6:27am
Stealth: Basically as the AD carry, you want to wait until they have used their "big moves" on everyone else before engaging. A good carry will either be in the fight 100%, or sitting by the sidelines, waiting for the opportune moment. If you get too close and are killed before the team fight even begins, you'll put your team at a disadvantage.

Most important rule: IF YOU THINK YOU'RE IN TROUBLE, GET OUT. It doesn't matter if an ally will die because you didn't stay - two deaths for one is not an equal trade. If you watch some of my videos, I tend to wait until everyone else has engaged before going in, and I flash/Tumble etc out if I'm threatened.

I'm also not afraid to Condemn someone away to keep myself safe even if it means a lost kill. It's better to be safe than sorry.

Fabrice: Thanks :)
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94fabrice94 | March 16, 2012 11:57am
one of the most complete guides i saw in this website!! well done, it helped me a lot. gz and ty :D
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stealthzdragons | March 16, 2012 4:52am
You know, this is actually my first post in this build. I've been lurking around and such, I wanted to say, this guide got me to buying Vayne and her valentine skin (I got her about a month ago).

Though i'm still attempting to learn her and her faults/strengths. Figuring out how to skill her abilities (which ones max first) and her build in general is an on-going process; and I am glad that a lot of people are having good games with Vayne. Though I think its because i'm still causing a lot of mistakes.

In other words, i'm playing her... cautiously, yet at the same time I feel like i'm not doing much in teamfights. The problem with me is positioning, if you want to look at my match history recently, my LoL name is stealthzdragons.

Anyway, positioning myself in teamfights is tough, I know that's pretty obvious considering you're the AD carry and everyone focuses on you. Though the last (recent) game I had with her, the enemy Ahri needed to be focused since she was going like... 22/5 I do believe. We were losing teamfights left and right and I think I kept throwing myself out of position. >_<

TL;DR version. I'm trying to understand how to be in a more better position in teamfights, I know its stupid to dive in towards more important characters, but you can't exactly take too long focusing a tank, as for condemning, well that's situational depending on the terrain.

Thanks for taking the time to read through this, if its confusing... let me know and i'll be more clarifying. Thanks! :D
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jhoijhoi (1894) | March 13, 2012 4:07pm
Lepar: Indeed. I was looking at it the other day. I want to make it more succinct but the problem is, people kept asking questions in the guide and I kept adding on the answers, trying to cover all bases. I'll try whittling it down.
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Infectious Lepar (231) | March 13, 2012 5:37am
Amazing guide, a little repetitive at times, but great guide overall. Very creative.
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jhoijhoi (1894) | March 13, 2012 3:32am
Euphemia: haha, no worries. I confused myself trying to work it out because 100% of something seems so strange - why don't they just say double your auto attack damage or something? :P <3

Pakko: It really comes down to personal preference, but Heal, especially with the upgrade, means you are able to bait the opposition into being aggressive. Heal can completely reset a teamfight and the summoner spell should not be underestimated. Exhaust is still a great pick, and if I felt I didn't need the Heal, I'd grab Exhaust over any other summoner spell :)
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Pakko | March 12, 2012 6:35pm
Hey jhoijhoi, firts of all, thanks for this awesome guide, I've been getting awesomes results with it.
Just one question, can you tell me the reasons for maining heal instead of axhaust?
Thanks!
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Euphemia | March 12, 2012 7:30am
Aye u prolly wasnt talkin about flat dmg in the guide than i misunderstood it ^^; Thx for the answar =)

<3 Peace and Love <3

Euphemia
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jhoijhoi (1894) | March 12, 2012 5:19am
Frodo: haha, nice catch :) As for Lifesteal Quints, I've only found them useful for the jungle or in All Random, All Zeal games :P

Euphemia: Yeah, so if your base damage was 100, and you proc'd Sheen with an ability, you will do an auto-attack of 100 - resistances from armour + Sheen Proc of 100 damage.

So 200 damage flat with Sheen Proc (not counting resistances). Does that make sense?
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Euphemia | March 12, 2012 3:03am
Hey ^^
Nice guide! Well written in depth thingy really nice work! =)
Even tho i find it a lil squishy like but thats not the reason for my posting..

About trinity.. if 150% means 150 over a base of 100 ad base.. What does SHEEN do? :V 100 over 100? Imho ur missing (or i am) something in there =)

<3 Peace and Love <3

Euphemia
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Mr. Frodo | March 11, 2012 1:02am
In one of the videos, I noticed Nocturne saying after a team fight "WHY DO YOU STILL FOCUS THE WRONG PEOPLE" to the enemies. Coming from the Nocty trying to carve up a Nauss while Poppy whacked away at his teams Vayne XD
Professional guides as always, Jhoi~
Upvoted.
EDIT: Have a friend, Deviant, who plays Vayne often and tried out the new Lifesteal quints. Feedback was they were very nice for being able to hold of using up money on a Vamp Scepter early.
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jhoijhoi (1894) | March 7, 2012 2:36pm
Soniko: I'm glad the guide worked for you. Yup, definitely get an early Vamp Scepter if you feel the pressure is too high ^^ Good luck with future games :)
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Soniko96 (1) | March 7, 2012 9:07am
A good guide for a tough Champ, like you said people have high expectations of Vayne players. And this guide helps people live up to them. My only alteration is an earlier Vampiric Scepter to help with Laning and Soloing. Thanks and keep up the great guides <3
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jhoijhoi (1894) | March 7, 2012 2:13am
Baby: Thanks :)

Panda: It really depends on your play style. If you can pull of the 3 hit proc, go for it. I tend to find that I have to switch targets during a teamfight, and I will not risk going out of position, or letting another champion get away JUST because I want to get that 3rd hit on whoever I was focusing at the time. You shouldn't be relying on Silver Bolts to do your damage. It all comes down to your own personal playstyle.

Feed: Cheers.
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FeedMyGreed | March 6, 2012 12:57pm
first of all, im a main vayne player
the build you do on vayne is risky but really roflstomping ( your main build )
its simulair to my main build and i liked your explaining on every subject
the guide was to long but is worth reading
in depth now has a new meaning

well written
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MrFatPanda (1) | March 6, 2012 12:45pm
jhoijhoi wrote:



Panda: The whole thing about Silver Bolts is that you have to get that 3rd hit. Unless the enemy AD is really ******ed, they aren't going to let you land that last hit. Especially early game. If you're aggressive enough to chase the enemy AD carry into their minions/support/brush and you manage to get a kill, well kudos to you. However, I tend to play it safe and only go for the 3rd hit if it's possible. Levelling up Silver Bolts first is aggressive play.


JhoiJhoi:
But if you have the mindset of the enemy not being ******ed and not letting you getting 3 hits off of them before you take more damage or overextend, then you should be skilled enough yourself to be able to last hit minions with an ad carry, and having silverbolts maxed out by the time the first teamfight comes around will put your dps way above the other teams ad carry and your own if you had taken another skill route.
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A Chubby Baby (290) | March 6, 2012 5:40am
so informative and helpful :D
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jhoijhoi (1894) | March 5, 2012 11:46pm
No worries ^^
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Trilliam | March 5, 2012 5:17am
alrighty ! Thanks a million, again :)
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jhoijhoi (1894) | March 5, 2012 4:36am
Zets: Thanks! I think your transition should have been Ashe > Caitlyn > Vayne. That would have made it easier for you, I think :)

Kanez: haha :P Yeah, Clairvoyance isn't that great on AD carries :)

Trilliam: Bloodthirster if you need the lane sustain, otherwise rush Black Cleaver because the later you get it in the game, the less "useful" it is.
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Trilliam | March 5, 2012 12:50am
Aww thanks :3 but is it better to get bt before bc or according to the tankyness of the other team or the extra attack speed is essential early game (A)
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kanez | March 4, 2012 10:52pm
ey jhoijhoi..i just joined the mobafire community to post at ur page :D um...id like to ask bout the summoner spells..isnt CV viable? besides the additional sight it grants, vayne could position and use her condemn well with CV as in most cases players hide in bushes.
well thats all hehe. :)

ahh i just tried...doesnt work as well as exhaust =.=
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Zetsubooteki (2) | March 4, 2012 3:50pm
I picked up Vayne after I've played Ashe. And her skill set for me was hard getting used to. I loved youre in depht explanation of the attacks and how to use them. Great guide !!!
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jhoijhoi (1894) | March 4, 2012 2:31pm
Heya Trilliam :)

Boots + Pots if you're with a support with little to no heal abilities, definitely. I should probably chuck that somewhere in my guide :)

If you manage to recall with just over 2000 gold, and the enemy AD is being harsh, I would recommend Wriggle's Lantern, which is what I've been buying lately. It's strength falls off very fast, so I'd only recommend buying it if you can finish it before the 15 minute mark.

Keep on pwning with Vayne ^^

Solith: Thanks for your vote :)
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Trilliam | March 4, 2012 10:57am
Hello jhoijhoi, how weird that i've came to ask you about the heal + cleanse and you've already changed them ^_^ but since i've started going on some ranked game lately, do you recommend me buying boots + pots if the support isn't the healy type " blitz/janna ect .. " or should i stick with the dorans blade for starters.

Also, I'd like to know if it's better to get 3 doran's and boots till i get the black cleaver or get a wringles, and what about getting bloodthirster as your first ad item, do you recommend that ?? if so do i have to go with the doran's or wringles ?? Thanks (A) ^^
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DkSolith (2) | March 4, 2012 7:46am
Very detailed along with the screen shots +1
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jhoijhoi (1894) | March 3, 2012 10:37pm
Nice nice, sounds like you did really well :) As for Summoner's Wrath - it's still there from when the guide suggested getting Exhaust. I'll change that :)
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DragonSlayer#91747 (6) | March 3, 2012 5:15pm
Yeahhhhh thanks man!
I love you <3
I went 12/5 with vayne 1st time.
I started out rough, but farmed bot alone for a while.
The game winning play: I told my shaco to gank their vayne. I e'ed her into a wall and killed her myself with my ult. Then pantheon came from bot and shen came from top, both fed so I was scared. I ran upwards to shen and went into the bush. When I had 2 hp I healed and flashed through wall near turret, pantheon went to blue then came back to and was really fast, HE GOT BAITED :), lux came and totally wrecked him and shen died from shaco.

I soon raped killing their enemy vayne in less than a second LITTERLY, Ulted and own him.
I made some other epic plays like jumping into their turret, e'ing them into my team, diving into the nexus turret with heal and killing their vayne with -500 hp. I lived with about 200 hp. I raped their tanks like they were nothing, I owned everyone so bad. Don't believe me? 1st time vayne:
Thanks so much! Amazing guide +1
The enemy team was 1000+ wins :P
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DragonSlayer#91747 (6) | March 3, 2012 4:21pm
Somethings wrong with your masteries.
Take away Summoner's Wraith, there is no need for that since your getting heal and flash.
Anyways good guide overall :3
+REP if this helped :3
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jhoijhoi (1894) | March 3, 2012 3:00pm
haha, sounds like you had a great game :)
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faker285 (4) | March 2, 2012 10:24pm
LOL OP BUILD, i was going 0/2 beginning and then at the end we won and i had 13/4/5!!!! BTW i got 2 triple kills in this game :)
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jhoijhoi (1894) | March 1, 2012 7:08pm
Thanks for the comments guys :)

Got a Quadra kill with Vayne today ^^
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tehAsian (247) | March 1, 2012 4:10pm
Fantastic guide, it was easy to read and had multiple build paths one could go on as Vayne to fill (almost) every situation.

Loved playing as tank Vayne, btw :3 +1
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thequackme | March 1, 2012 11:51am
I just went 23/7 before 20 minutes with this guide. +1
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RealmriderX1 (91) | March 1, 2012 4:17am
Hm, okay then i guess i can give you a 1+ :3
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PsiGuard (881) | February 29, 2012 7:31pm
/that awkward moment when you point an arrow at the above post and you start a new page...

But yeah, youmuu's on ranged champs is a terrible idea.
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jhoijhoi (1894) | February 29, 2012 6:58pm
^No survivability and Youmuu's is a bad item on ranged champions.
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shoestealer2 | February 29, 2012 6:34pm
anybody tried pure crit vayne? 2pds youmu/tf zerks ie and bt?
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jhoijhoi (1894) | February 29, 2012 2:18pm
Updated guide with "Standard AD Carry" build posted as a cheat sheet.
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jhoijhoi (1894) | February 29, 2012 2:01pm
Real: I opt instead for an early Black Cleaver, followed by a Bloodthirster. Sorta like how Xin Zhao was played before everyone stopped playing him. Getting an Infinity Edge first instead is fine, but I find the armour penetration coupled with the life steal benefits me and my team more, especially due to Vayne's limited movement speed and range.

But I'm thinking of putting a "Standard Carry" build up.
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RealmriderX1 (91) | February 29, 2012 12:16pm
Y NO INFINITY IN TEH MAIN BUILD?
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jhoijhoi (1894) | February 28, 2012 1:11am
Updated.
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example5555 (1) | February 27, 2012 8:00pm
You shud include an ionic spark in one of ur builds. I always use it instead of the ________(insert defenseive item here) as it gives u 225 hp, 50% AS and an additional 100 damage

every 2 secs. I love ur guide +1 from meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!


:edit: bdw if any1 wrote abot this already SRRY! im too lazy to read all the comments! XD
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Cortez Cardinal (18) | February 23, 2012 7:59pm
+1

Very good guide, I like it alot (=

I hope I might master Vayne too one day :D

plz +rep and view my guide
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jhoijhoi (1894) | February 23, 2012 1:36pm
Vigor is for the early game, not the late game. It depends on which side of the game you want to play your strengths in. Do you want better regen in the beginning of the game (3 points) so you can out-lane your opponents, or do you want 140 extra health at the end of the game (when you would have bought a GA anyway, which gives 3x as much health) bought with 5 points?

As for the masteries, again, there are 4+ mastery sets shown in the guide. If people don't like the one that is displayed at the top, there are alternatives to look at.

Thanks for the feedback.
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DRAGONLOL11 (4) | February 23, 2012 10:06am
Sorry Jhoijhoi, it's again me complaining about masteries! :(
Don't get 1.5% more damage mastery, you do not need it. Do +5 damage on 400 damage crit really is worth 3 masteries? As you get some crit in your guide I would also strongly suggest going for +10% Crit mastery, you can cut the dmg to minions mastery or some lifesteal and get crit damage, also now its buffed btw and give you scaling AD. 5 points, and you get a lot of scaling AD and crit dmg. Its must have. For easier last hitting AD reds instead of armpen are totally fine also.

Second thing - I know what u wanted to do, right -15 cd flash is fine but not really worth it my dear! Let me explain!

You loose +138 health at level 18 for non-scaling 3 hp regen per 5 second, that is 36 health per minute. I like 138 base health bonus A LOT more than 36 health per minute, and what do you think?

Regards,
Dragonlol11 ;-) Just tryin' to help ya guides get even better!
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jhoijhoi (1894) | February 22, 2012 2:31pm
haha, nice scores guys, especially the pentakill :) Keep up the great games with Vayne ^^ I'm glad my guide is still helping out a little bit :3
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Lipsray | February 22, 2012 12:52pm
32/12 ;D
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DutchMonkey | February 22, 2012 10:03am
Wow, really great build. It helped me out very well. Keep up the good work on your builds.
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3n3my | February 20, 2012 1:51pm
Just did my first penta with your guide thank very much ^^

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Akira Desmondes | February 19, 2012 12:53pm
One of those guides that deserve reading the 20 minutes worth of text. Fun, Working, Instructional, Diverse and easy to the eyes.
I love yous guides man. :) You do awesome!
Btw, thanks. Your guide inspired me to play Vayne some time ago and now I decided to read the whole thing, and noticed it was something much more impressive than my first look on it. No wonder the 7XX+ likes (As of Feb 2012 lol)
:)
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tomaten97 | February 19, 2012 11:20am
I think the infinity better first item to all carry, but wery good guide.
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ImaSexyMeme | February 18, 2012 6:57pm
What do you think about the new vayne skin?
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jhoijhoi (1894) | February 18, 2012 5:20pm
Pawndd: Sorry, I play on NA as jhoijhoi. My ping is high enough there, let alone trying elsewhere.

I'm glad the guide is still helping people out :)
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Terraz | February 18, 2012 4:40pm
lol vayne is the most op champion out there, i saw an underfed vayne with 7/14/6 starting to do 2000+dmg in 2.3 seconds at late levels...
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Autolion | February 18, 2012 9:40am
Very good guide! +1
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Pawndd | February 17, 2012 12:06am
Sayif u play on eu west
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Pawndd | February 17, 2012 12:06am
Dude this is a very nice build i got a pentakill with. i play on EU West and i got it yester day so you can see my pentakill on my match history
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xIchi (65) | February 15, 2012 12:52pm
I thought about writing a Vayne guide... but this is just too OP. Nothing can compete to this guide. So +1 man. Really like it, and the tanky stuff, aww <3.
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Dost92 | February 15, 2012 8:20am
Penta kill Vayne
PENTA KILLLLLLLL !!!!!!!!!!!! Love that voice and sound. Nice guide btw.
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Calysmic | February 14, 2012 10:05pm

Latest wins using this guide :) thanks
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MLPXJudge | February 14, 2012 10:48am
Thoughts on the new skin jhoijhoi? :D
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DeathOfRats (2) | February 13, 2012 10:06pm
I tried the Tanky dps build because I wanted to just relax and have fun in the game, and then proceeded to make the other team rage at how much damage I was putting out for how tanky I was, gj for coming up with it.
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tombojombo | February 13, 2012 11:17am
Really good guide, using it all the time and having good games.

Sometimes I prefer to build Bloodthirster first, then Zeal, then Black Cleaver. Or skip BC entirely and go for double Bloodthirster.

Also, flash/condemn can be used to great effect if you can flash behind an enemy near your tower and condemn them towards it.
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Mr.Trollington | February 12, 2012 10:59am
This is by far the best build I have come across with vayne just tried it out and had 19/3/11,on ranked

+1 mate
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haneru | February 11, 2012 5:19am
I'm gonna buy Vayne once i get IP coz' of this guide.:D
Very nice guide indeed.:P
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Embracing (348) | February 11, 2012 4:27am
jhoijhoi wrote:

allv: I wasn't directing the "if you're reading this guide you can't use Cleanse" specifically at you. It was a general comment. Like if I said, "You shouldn't buy Warmog's on LeBlanc", I'm not telling YOU that YOU cannot buy Warmog's on LeBlanc, I'm telling the reader they shouldn't.

Panda: The whole thing about Silver Bolts is that you have to get that 3rd hit. Unless the enemy AD is really ******ed, they aren't going to let you land that last hit. Especially early game. If you're aggressive enough to chase the enemy AD carry into their minions/support/brush and you manage to get a kill, well kudos to you. However, I tend to play it safe and only go for the 3rd hit if it's possible. Levelling up Silver Bolts first is aggressive play.

Rose: I'm no illusionist. Not gonna put Cleanse as a recommended spell when I know it won't work for newer players. I clearly state that if they think they can use it, go ahead. But currently Heal > Cleanse anyway.

trudat
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jhoijhoi (1894) | February 11, 2012 4:06am
allv: I wasn't directing the "if you're reading this guide you can't use Cleanse" specifically at you. It was a general comment. Like if I said, "You shouldn't buy Warmog's on LeBlanc", I'm not telling YOU that YOU cannot buy Warmog's on LeBlanc, I'm telling the reader they shouldn't.

Panda: The whole thing about Silver Bolts is that you have to get that 3rd hit. Unless the enemy AD is really ******ed, they aren't going to let you land that last hit. Especially early game. If you're aggressive enough to chase the enemy AD carry into their minions/support/brush and you manage to get a kill, well kudos to you. However, I tend to play it safe and only go for the 3rd hit if it's possible. Levelling up Silver Bolts first is aggressive play.

Rose: I'm no illusionist. Not gonna put Cleanse as a recommended spell when I know it won't work for newer players. I clearly state that if they think they can use it, go ahead. But currently Heal > Cleanse anyway.
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MOABfire | February 11, 2012 3:42am
Tried it again today (went 13/0/4 yesterday) and i went 30/4/5! This is the best build for the best champ! A BIG + for u! :)
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MOABfire | February 11, 2012 2:55am
Tried it again today (went 13/0/4 yesterday) and i went 30/4/5! This is the best build for the best champ! A BIG + for u! :)
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MOABfire | February 10, 2012 8:59am
13/0/4 nice build and guide +1
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allv | February 9, 2012 6:48pm
jhoijhoi wrote:

allv: I said Cleanse is useless for those reading the guide, I never said it was a useless summoner spell. If you're reading a guide on a champion, you're not good enough at the game to try using Cleanse effectively. That's just my opinion, however.

lolcat: Kills don't matter. Farming minions, not dying and getting assists are far more important than having 283/2/6 as your K/D/A.


Yo, don't talk when you don't know what player you're talking to. I just want you to help to make your guide as good as possible, but if u say that I "am not good enough at the game to try using Cleanse effective" I don't even gonna discuss with you.
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Apfeljack (46) | February 9, 2012 8:42am
Vayne is so much fun but she's hard to play. Couldn't have done it without your awesome guide. It's probably the greatest guide I've ever seen around. :)
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MrFatPanda (1) | February 7, 2012 9:41am
Jhoijhoi, i think you should really take into account the base extra true damage the silver bolts apply, you mention that it its not worth it early game because it does % damage but it also does a large amount of true damage (20/30/40/50/60)
So only at lvl 2 thats doing an extra 10 true damage a hit not counting the % damage, and this synergizes really well with a quick zeal and the new jungle meta which heavily emphasizes ganking, so condemn and bolts should be lvled well above tumble as tumble is better just for positioning unless you go for an early sheen. Just thought i might mention that as you didnt have it in your article. Other than that i love your build and use it as a base for almost all my vayne games

Edit: also, by the time the ganks start, the enemy carry is going to have around, lets say 800 health? Thats still an extra 40 damage on the bolt proc at only lvl 2, thats a lot of damage
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Crazy Jenkins (46) | February 6, 2012 1:00am
ur guides look awesome D: D: and well done too! +1
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Embracing (348) | February 6, 2012 12:50am
jhoijhoi wrote:

allv: I said Cleanse is useless for those reading the guide, I never said it was a useless summoner spell. If you're reading a guide on a champion, you're not good enough at the game to try using Cleanse effectively. That's just my opinion, however.


I think you should add Cleanse inside though :P

Some people who are reading this guide to improve themselves might want the optimal setups when learning the champs imo

Your choice :)
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jhoijhoi (1894) | February 6, 2012 12:25am
allv: I said Cleanse is useless for those reading the guide, I never said it was a useless summoner spell. If you're reading a guide on a champion, you're not good enough at the game to try using Cleanse effectively. That's just my opinion, however.

lolcat: Kills don't matter. Farming minions, not dying and getting assists are far more important than having 283/2/6 as your K/D/A.
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allv | February 6, 2012 12:21am
Really great guide. I love every little thing of it, except for you summoner spells. You say cleanse is a useless summoner spell. I completely disagree. Cleanse or Quicksilver is A MUST HAVE on Vayne. Enemies will try to stun you every time. Cleanse or QSS' active will set you free to do what you want to do. Use your ult and tumble to position for condemn your target. No cleanse or QSS means you should get shut down really easy if the enemy does well. I always prefer getting Exhaust as summoner spell, because of the reasons you mentioned in this guide. So I always take QSS.
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lolcat200 | February 5, 2012 4:14pm
Hey jhoijhoi, ( love the name XD) anyway.. Could you give me any help with getting some more kills? I always get close to killing someone and they slip away :( So some advice please?. lolcat 200 ^-^
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xYUIx (3) | February 5, 2012 12:39am
omg your GUIDE dam imba!
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jhoijhoi (1894) | February 2, 2012 5:12pm
Trilliam: I would suggest buying an early Sheen but not upgrading to Trinity Force until a bit later in the game. Infinity Edge/ The Bloodthirster/ The Black Cleaver is more important and more useful than the Trinity Force.

Auto: Problem is that I play passively, preferring to out-farm my opponent than try to harass them down. However, if you are aggressive and level up those Silver Bolts first, I see Crit Chance being pretty effective.
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AutoFrenzy | February 2, 2012 7:51am
If you have the spare IP, you should try a round with crit chance marks and quints. Have 10%+ crit at the beginning can make early game laning a cakewalk. I've been using this build with those runes and it's worked wonderfully.
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Trilliam | February 1, 2012 1:30pm
Hey jhoi, i just wanted to ask about the trinity force vayne build. Technically i build it this way > doran's sword - sheen - zeal - TF - IE - blood thrister - Phantom dancer " could get the phantom before blood " and last maybe GA ..

My question is: should i keep building it that way or should i get IE before TF ... any other adds to the build will be great " trying to get out of elo hell and i need a carry to make me get through the dark days " :)
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jhoijhoi (1894) | January 30, 2012 4:07pm
Neymar77 wrote:

Okay those scores aren't yours, fullstop.

What an acute observation. If you had read the chapter you would have found that the scores were those of who used the build and wished for their achievements to be displayed.

ie: Yes, they aren't all my screenshots because they were submitted from different people in the comment section of this guide.
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Shiikan (20) | January 30, 2012 1:20pm
Another really awesome guide by you! I could never build Vayne correctly before--I'd be building Phantom Dancer before any damage items so I'd end up with a very unjust KDA. Thank you for making this guide!
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Neymar77 (6) | January 29, 2012 1:01pm
Okay those scores aren't yours, fullstop.
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aljllv (1) | January 29, 2012 12:37pm
It works :D. 26/8/6 in the last game, we lost because the tank didn't started the fights :/, but well, was a good game.

Thanks for the build ;)
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LoL-Guides1 (2) | January 29, 2012 11:43am
great lol guide you made dude. your aweseome! keep them comming.!
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Jubaku91 | January 27, 2012 4:07pm
Your Vayne build rocks! Went 35/1/5 with it today, totally and utterly dominated the enemy team :P
Ended up being able to two-shot their Xin.
Thank you for your brilliant guides :)
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gangstermania | January 26, 2012 11:52pm
I like ur post but i think u can use Avarice Blade and can win more gold because all gear u propuse needs to much gold. I buyed AB afther the speed boots, well its just an opinion. Thx for ur post
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Sentin3ls | January 24, 2012 4:41pm
Thanks for your respond :)
It actually works for me if the game is not going the way i want it.if i get a quick kill then buy the b.f. is easy but if im with no kills and game is tight i go for zeal

Anyway keep up the good work around here you do great ty :)
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jhoijhoi (1894) | January 23, 2012 6:07pm
^I used to grab an earlier Zeal, but after consideration, the damage and attack speed from Black Cleaver out weighs the movement and crit chance of a Zeal after B. F Sword.

However, if it works for you, don't think of changing your own purchase order just to replicate the one shown above. It all comes down to the individual game :)
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Sentin3ls | January 23, 2012 5:58pm
What would you say about changing purchase order?
Instead of go for B.F.sword after berserkers greaves to go for Zeal
After nerf that extra litle more movement speed is missing in first lvls
And she still do lot of damage so i always go for zeal after nerf.
Giving me the extra attack speed and movement speed to make a kill (also hunt or escape) and buy easier the B.F.sword
What you think
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CroWhite | January 23, 2012 3:47am
THE BEST :DDDD
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Mukurogan | January 22, 2012 8:23pm
this build is pro went 25/1/8 got triple kill
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OldBen (14) | January 22, 2012 12:38pm
Very nice. I'm new to Vayne and your guide is extremely helpful.
I hope I'll soon reach score enough epic to send it to you ^^


And because I need to say it - thumbs up!
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Lupdida | January 21, 2012 4:54pm
This build is just ****in awesome :D
I went 23/8/9 with this build and this after 3 months not playing vayne (:
+1 really god job mate :D
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Asterisk-CGY | January 21, 2012 11:43am
Hum, think you can add a bit for Dominion? Looking to get Vayne for that right now.
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salladin8 | January 21, 2012 11:18am
Hey Thank you so much just go a 30/5/4 score from your guide xD.
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Luriocarn (4) | January 20, 2012 5:36am
Vayne I think is easy to use. The first time I ever played a ranged carry was Vayne and I had almost the same build as you. I got 15/0/6 in my first game. (only person with 0 deaths)
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stipulation | January 19, 2012 11:57pm
Hi! Really nice guild, one slight comment though before I give it a +1. Namely, in your explanation of why silver buleets is better to get late game you don't do it very well. Since it dose true damage it does way more damage then either tumble or condem at highest level no matter what level of the game. If you maxed it level 9 (when enemies are at about 1100 health) the it would do 148 TRUE damage to them every 2 seconds or so. This is better then tublems +60% damage every 2 seconds or condems 300 damage every 12 seconds. However, the complexion of the game is such that it is very hard to hit three times in a row continually. With Tumble and condem you can spar with people, which is much more apt to happen early game. Anyways, great guild and I didn't like that bit of flawed explanation in there.
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PsiGuard (881) | January 18, 2012 10:35pm
zxcmnb wrote:

here's my winning streak with jai's build with a little twist.

UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.................
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zxcmnb | January 18, 2012 10:34pm
here's my winning streak with jai's build with a little twist.


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Embracing (348) | January 18, 2012 10:26pm
jhoi
Currently I'm pretty sure
Cleanse > Heal = Exhaust
right now for Vayne.

Also,
QSS is insanely strong on Ad carries right now.
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Brentaxe (17) | January 18, 2012 8:13pm
aheuhuehuehue ^^
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xXRichardXx | January 18, 2012 9:39am
I'm owning!
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MLPXJudge | January 18, 2012 6:10am
jhoijhoi wrote:

Judge: I'll write up a quick section on the nerf.


Thanks for that.

I tried her and she is fine, just a little harder to snowball at the start but if you farm or get kills she still scales/snowballs like the powerhouse she is meant to be! Cheers
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Atarios (69) | January 17, 2012 7:52pm
Brentaxe wrote:

you're a girl


Whats wrong with that? >.>
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Brentaxe (17) | January 17, 2012 7:43pm
you're a girl
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The Short Azn | January 17, 2012 7:30pm
I like how you updated this right after the 1/17/12 patch. Shows you are proactive about your guides and their viability. I def use many of your guides to look up information and to get a basic idea on how to build a character. Again +1 from me.
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Sentin3ls | January 17, 2012 6:13pm
So what you think now that Vayne got nerf again from riot?
I like your guide always helped me with Vayne but today i read the notes and i see that Vayne nerf again.to a point that i dont know if she is gonna be playable anymore...
we should have been extremely carefull till now...and now we also loose speed and damage...
I got dissapointed...
Keep up the good work with your guids you are very good :)
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IGabsI (3) | January 17, 2012 6:11pm
MLPXJudge wrote:

> my face when they nerfed Vayne for the 3rd time in a row

Oh Riot... WHY!?

Do we have to buy Swiftness boots now?
I hope you add your thoughts on the new Vayne nerf.
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jhoijhoi (1894) | January 17, 2012 4:06pm
INomNoobs: I was autoattacking hoping that they would try to attack me. Someone who stands still and auto attacks looks like they have DC'd or aren't really paying attention. My jungler was in the tri bush waiting to gank, and if they had attacked me or my support, we would have got a few kills.

As for the builds - they are in the second or so chapter, and they have always been there.

Judge: I'll write up a quick section on the nerf.
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INomNoobs (2) | January 17, 2012 3:38pm
Handful of things:
First of all, why were you auto attacking the minions in the first video? I'm not trying to mock you here, I'm just asking - were you trying to push back, or what?

About your items, I believe you forgot your Infinity Edge, and also, once you've rounded off your build, it's worth it to replace your boots with a second phantom dancer. I believe the movement speed is made up for, so you're left off with free crit chance and attack speed. Although, you could just buy elixirs.

Finally, could you narrow the runes down to the ones you generally pick? That way, if we're just searching for a quick guide, we don't have to scroll down to your runes section, or your items section to find your sixth item. Moreover, could you put your trinity and tank guides right upfront? I believe this would improve the accessibility of the guide.

Aside from that, excellent guide. + 1
(Hope my cc wasn't just the latter)
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MLPXJudge | January 17, 2012 9:34am
> my face when they nerfed Vayne for the 3rd time in a row

Oh Riot... WHY!?

Do we have to buy Swiftness boots now?
I hope you add your thoughts on the new Vayne nerf.
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Koboldor | January 17, 2012 7:48am
i'll change the berserker greeves for the swiftness boots... that extra speed can save your ***/give you that extra kill you need

Great guide... Made me buy vayne +1
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MitsukiNagasi | January 17, 2012 6:55am
i like the build and the items it helps out alot the one thing And this is my prefrence due to my Harrasing Nature Is to get Silvir Bolt Then Tumble Then Condemn Then follow the build I pefer making them run when they see they have 2 bolts and im waiting for them.... I also like your idea of adding more then one item build Because this helped me in a match I was being Killed Went back and switched to the tanky Vayne build it was easier then looking up a new build mid game XD One thing i dont like is the Instint revive armor they essintially wait for me to revive and let me have it.... But good build +1
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SwizzNL (7) | January 17, 2012 4:31am
Very, very nice build!
Learned a lot about Vayne, who is actually my AD-carry in this game :)

+ Very detailed
+ Situational items section
+ Different ways to play/build her
+ Images and video's

Deserves a +1 :D

P.S. Best score was about 18-3-7 or something. Was quite a long time ago but that was an epic game which I still remember :)
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Embracing (348) | January 17, 2012 2:17am
zxcmnb wrote:

wow vayne's getting a nerf on tonights patch.


She deserves it. Her decent laning, mid game transitions, and late game burst are insane, combined with her insane mobility and stealth, that makes a really strong champion.
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zxcmnb | January 17, 2012 2:01am
wow vayne's getting a nerf on tonights patch.
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ArSiC NiKKuH | January 16, 2012 10:47am
good but u needa put infinity edge in this after phantom danca. gj
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ArSiC NiKKuH | January 16, 2012 10:47am
good but u needa put infinity edge in this after phantom danca. gj
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Snooqy | January 15, 2012 8:20am
Dude... amazing guide! Really. I went 12/0/2 on my first game and all my friends were like "Wooow dude, show me that guide that made u play so epic!!" ^^ haha!
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BLaZE252 | January 15, 2012 3:03am
Awesome build went 20/0 then 17/6
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Shadowjak | January 15, 2012 12:43am
Went 19/3/16 on my FIRST game with this build. I had been following advice from some other people who (apparently) didn't really know how to play Vayne :P Thanks for the fix ^^
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Acolyte Lee Sin | January 14, 2012 11:46am
Hi there jhoijhoi,

I just bought Vayne today and my first game went well =D Thanks to your guide anyways
Code:
http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/3925/vaynescore.jpg

I also love the names for your chapters they're so creative =D.
It's a great guide and I'd advise any new vayne players to check it out.
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YolksterXD | January 13, 2012 2:12am
I love the use of alliteration in your Guide Titles! "Vindictive Vayne" and "Ashes to Ashe's" So playful!
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zakm89 | January 11, 2012 4:10pm
Using this build i went 18-6-6 first time vayne :)
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lolmaged | January 11, 2012 8:03am
Thanks so much! This was a super good bouild, who worked well! I went 20-3 the first game! Realy love this bouild!!!

Printscreen on my game. http://laddauppbilder.se/?di=1132629700414

The only thing you maybe can change is the glyphs, to magic resistance per level instead of flat. And maybe AS or flat armor seals? Just my opinion.

Thanks! :D
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jhoijhoi (1894) | January 9, 2012 3:28pm
Thanks for the comments, guys, I really appreciate reading them :)

WDFK: The build order is the way it is because some people wanted a "more in-depth" build order.
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alexhwang76 | January 8, 2012 8:31pm

Thanks for the guide !
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Gettherax (2) | January 8, 2012 3:53am
Hey, jhoijhoi! Just wanted to say thanks to you, and those who helped you, for all the hard work and detail you have put into this guide for Vayne. It was quite impressive and extensive at that! I enjoyed the read and learned a lot about her that should help me in future games with/against. I also loved the layout! Very pro. I also wanted to let you know I will be including this guide in my up and coming article "Stevo's Top 20 LoL Guide Picks" on my website www.getthereax.com. Thanks again!

Stevo

www.gettherax.com
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comninos2 | January 7, 2012 1:40am
absolutely love this build. used your main vayne build but replaced Guardian angel with a bloodthirster and sold my boots for phantom dancer at the end game. went 24-2-1.
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weichan45 (1) | January 6, 2012 8:28pm
regarding vayne's tumble, there is actually 1 wall she can tumble through. only, its in the 3v3 map,it the very middle part of the dragon's den. I personally haven't seen it but i have heard my friend do it. might be worth testing but then again 3v3 is a bad place for her. still good bit of trivia tho (once proven true)
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Mordred (1) | January 6, 2012 8:28am
very cool
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WDFK (2) | January 6, 2012 3:35am
After playing a few games, jhoijhoi guide helped me a lot.

I prefer to go with the given build in jhoijhoi's guide, but up to the first BF.Sword part, I prefer to rush for Black Cleaver right away, then ignore zeal, shoot straight for Bloodthirster. After that, Infinity Edge then Phantom Dancer. For the last item, it is purely situational, viable choices are Guardian Angel, and Banshee Veil.

Why? If you calculate it, rushing Black Cleaver is better than buying Zeal then Vamp Scepter.

Zeal + Vamp Scepter costs 1645 gold. For me, that is a HUGE delay for grabbing the core item in the build, Black Cleaver. By rushing to Black Cleaver first, your damage will improve greatly, and easier to grab kills with. I'm not saying that Zeal then Vamp scepter is bad, but personally, it just doesn't work out.

For skilling sequence, I prefer grabbing 1 point in Condemn at level 1. Why?

Condemn, as you all know, knock and stun the target if it hits a wall, dealing good damage. At level 1, unless you're not ganking, or you're taking mid, Condemn is damn nice to have for 1st blood. Flash behind them, Condemn to a wall, then Exhaust if they're running away usually grab me a First Blood.

After that, I go Q,W, then proceed with R>Q>W>E. Why E last? In team fights, I mainly use E just to stun/lock someone, then proceed with R,Q, then whack. Maxing W, together with Black Cleaver, is like a squishy squasher and a tanker basher. You watch their HP drop so quick, they shout OMFG VAYNE OP Q_Q NERF PLOX.

I'm not saying jhoijhoi's guide is bad. I learn a lot from it. I'm posting this to share my thoughts and opinions to fellow MOBAfire's members.

Please point out my mistakes by PM'ing me. I don't have a good track of my posts. :)
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jhoijhoi (1894) | January 5, 2012 9:24pm
Ryukred: Ignite is useful if your support has grabbed Exhaust for you.

Amanda: Wow, great score!

m4urice: You go tank build if you are getting really harassed in your lane. If Graves/Caitlyn/etc is absolutely pwning you, and if there is an AD jungler and AD top, tank Vayne becomes viable.

CasterMaster: Thanks for the review :) As for the suggestion of Youmuu's, I actually did have it in my guide, but removed it, as it's not that good on ranged carries at all.

Beta: Excellent points :) Personally I build Black Cleaver straight up, but I've had people ask me what to do in chunks, and so reflected that in the guide.

Drasq: haha, thank you ^^

Gunubi: That's a great tip, I'll add it in :)

Italian: GA is invaluable late game. If you're comfortable with 2x BT go ahead, but GA is like a clutch Heal or Flash.
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vITALIANv | January 5, 2012 9:17pm
I must thank you for the fantastic guide, but I feel there should be one change. I have been playing her for tens of games using this main build varying the sixth item, and I find the bloodthirster works best. If you replace your guardian's angel with one, you're gaining a possible 100 AD and 25% lifesteal. That will give you that extra damage and puts you at 50% lifesteal. I agree, you are not gaining any survivability but that build will give you 59% crit chance for 1000s, with 50% lifesteal at ballpark 1.8 attacks per second. I found myself penta-killing with no problem, because of my invincibility with 50% lifesteal.
Thanks!
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Gunubi | January 5, 2012 8:26pm
Hey Jhoi,
great guide, idk if anyone has said this yet, i didnt have time to read all the comments
but under tips and tricks for tumble, you can cancel the animation by tumbling directly into a wall. This makes you attack after your tumble much faster then doing the full roll. Try it!
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Warko94 | January 4, 2012 7:16am
very good guide=)
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davion100 | January 3, 2012 3:52pm
awesome!
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Drasq (27) | January 3, 2012 7:53am
great guide, as I saw in your picks, you don't always stick to the same build. Neither do I with vayne, sometime you can rush Black leaver straight away followed by zeal/phantom dancers etc.

Solid guide. As we would expect one from jhoijhoi ;) gj +1
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BetaTestThis (7) | January 3, 2012 12:50am
Hey, Jhoi, lovely guide. In "your" build can you give me some more clarity of why you; buy instead of maybe a and a start towards

You say to get the bloodthirstier after , but in the videos to support your guide, i see you build and first.

Last thing is, why don't you quickly finish up instead of because is 1200 gold and with the items you already have is also 1200ish, which would provide much higher dps, and then can buy the right after
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CasterMaster (316) | January 1, 2012 9:17pm
This guide is fantastic! I love everything about it, and I can tell that although this guide probably needs a bit of an update, it's well written.

1. Layout: Absolutely fantastic, great use of icons and pictures, and easily able to navigate around. I can find anything I need, and it is very attractive. Quite strong, I would give the layout 10/10 as my honest opinion.

2. Information: Great information, I can read all of it (and I did read almost all of it) and definitely this will improve my ranged AD skills =) I'll give information 10/10, as it clearly holds too much information, but like one says, "You can't have too much information" =)

I think your guide has everything you need. Maybe put in a bit more situational items (such as Youmuu's Ghostblade, but that's just my thought. I'm not a great DPSer, so yeah =P Otherwise, great guide (I mean FANTASTIC) and I'm definitely going to +1 the guide and +1 the rep as it really appeals to me =). Good job!
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m4urice (7) | January 1, 2012 2:57pm
Hi! I've been using your build for some time, and I often get to wonder if I should build a full damage or a tank Vayne. Unfortunately, you have to make the decision early in the game, as the two builds are very different one from each other. Therefore, I sometimes make the wrong choice, using a very squishy build in cases that would require a more bulky set of items.

So my question is: when do you decide to go for a tank build?

(By the way, +1!)
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amanda337 | December 30, 2011 1:22pm
Amazing build! :D It helped out a lot. In the photo below, we were losing at first but I got feed and we won. Thanks :) 33/2/6 http://i1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd502/amandab337/vayne.png
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Ryukred | December 29, 2011 8:15am
+1

But, personally (intermediate vayne player), I can 1v1 Tryndamere and win without exhaust.
I like taking Ignite instead for that early game annoying flash.[/b]
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Oharris (7) | December 29, 2011 1:48am
nice build, but in the purchase order, correct and add when u upload your zeal to phnatom dancer(I know you say it later in your guide but there are many kids that only look at the purchase order)
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Jpikachu1999 (151) | December 28, 2011 8:05am
This is the most comprehensive Vayne guide out there. If you want to know absolutely anything about Vayne; all you have to do is view this guide. + 1 from me.

I played a game last night with Vayne where I went 26/9/4. A few more deaths than I wanted, but I was pretty happy with the score. Especially since it was 3v3 :).

Just one quick question from me. What are your thoughts on getting Phage early in the game? I noticed that you don't really put Phage anywhere; except maybe for the Frozen Mallet in the Tank Vayne build. I usually rush Berserker's Greaves then a Phantom Dancer then immediately go for a Phage. I find it helps with killing enemy champions; as they don't get to run away. It also helps build into a Trinity Force. When I build a Phage, I can usually build a Trinity Force by the 15 - 20 minute mark.
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ed000 | December 26, 2011 7:22pm
My 4th pvp with Vayne and 13th pvp ever lol. No runes yet, I'm almost lvl21. I love your build :) I swapped out Zerk's for GA.
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BetaTestThis (7) | December 26, 2011 3:53pm
Hey, whats your opinion on wriggles?
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Elleeeeeka (47) | December 25, 2011 12:10pm
I love this guide!
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Isleykun (47) | December 23, 2011 11:18pm
I cant believe I never looked at this guide before. It's pretty flawless! Good job!
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grimmygob | December 23, 2011 10:20am
Second time I played Vayne, read your guide and got 34/8/11 :)
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IceCreamy (448) | December 23, 2011 10:19am
Ah, I saw it. I expected it to be at skill order but it was at the explanation of Silver Bolts :P

Okay, fair enough. I +repped you (only 1 away from 666 :D) and I guess I will try her out in some normal games... I want to learn how to play her ~D
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jhoijhoi (1894) | December 23, 2011 7:32am
Creamy, I left it as a Zeal because it can turn into a Trinity Force or a Phantom Dancer ^^ As for Silver Bolts, yes, there's a huge section about why I don't max it first.

It's nearly 2am here, and I'm pretty tired, but if by tomorrow you haven't read the Silver Bolts section, I'll post here about why I don't max it first.

Night :) <3
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IceCreamy (448) | December 23, 2011 7:09am
You now have Zeal as finished item - I bet that should become a Phantom Dancer :) Also if the game keeps on lasting, you can sell Berserker's Greaves for another Phantom Dancer, as the movement speed remains pretty much the same while you gain crit chance and attack speed :)

I just have a question, sorry if I haven't read carefully enough, but I prefer to max Silver Bolts first. What is your opinion on this?
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jhoijhoi (1894) | December 23, 2011 7:02am
Hi all :) My Christmas present to MobaFire is this - an update to my Vayne guide. I did a lot of rearranging and changed the builds somewhat. I have added new information to some sections, and removed paragraphs of text from others. I have yet to add in a few more details, but I'm pretty satisfied with my current progress. Enjoy the guide, and keep owning with Vayne ^^

Merry Christmas!

<3 jhoijhoi
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curryjl | December 22, 2011 10:00am
I am wondering why you do not take the four points in critical strike chance. I have played Vayne for a while now, and have found that I critically strike often when my masteries are set up in this fashion. I do not know if you have tested this out, but from my experience, one critical strike against most champions will force them to their turret. By doing so it gives me plenty of time to gank a different lane. I should add that this is for the early game advantage. I was just throwing it out there as a suggestion. :D first post so, please do not destroy me!
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Yugaon | December 22, 2011 6:17am
I love your build just love it
Went 31/4/6 and PENTAKILL just love your guide
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Adeori (7) | December 21, 2011 5:17pm
Another great result with your guide, Jai!
33/10/13, 308CS, 25k gold. I sold all my items at the end to attempt to buy 6 The Bloodthirsters, but the game ended when I was about to buy my 6th one.

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jhoijhoi (1894) | December 20, 2011 4:16pm
Wayne, Malovelent is the cool kid's way of spelling it :P <3

War: Sorry for being rude, I was in a bad mood. It's feasible to see your Zerk's for another set of Dancers at the end of the game, but not before the end of the game when you have all your other items.

Ssyrak: Solo top tanky DPS Vayne should do fine, as she's ranged up against a melee. Try it and tell me how it goes :) As for procing Silver Bolts, Black Cleaver does a fantastic job of that, and gives damage. Problem with double Phantoms is that you need a little bit of damage behind them to make the purchases worth it.
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KraziiAnii (1) | December 20, 2011 3:25pm
Awesome guide! (:
I won my first game with Vayne with your main Vayne build. ^^
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Wayne3100 (467) | December 20, 2011 8:53am
Must.....resist...urge....to be..annoying....and tell you..that I...pointed out an error..7 pages ago..and you...didn't.....fix it..


Wayne3100 wrote:

The link to your Morgana guide says the name of that guide is 'Malovelent Morgana'.
Pretty sure that's not true ;)



I lost :(

Same error is in your Ashe, Nasus and Warwick guide btw
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Ssyrak (32) | December 20, 2011 5:43am
Hey jhoijhoi. What do you think about 2 PD on Vayne to get more use out of your W. Is that viable or do you prefer getting Last Whisper/TBC?

I thought about playing your Tanky Vayne solo top. Do you think it could be a viable option?
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WarZeeker | December 20, 2011 4:19am
2 things, I know it would be better a defensive item maybe, but (before I realized what im about to say in a moment) between Berserker's Graves or Phantom, apparently Phantom is a better choice. And its true, phantom does give less move speed than lvl 2 boots, its just i didn't realize that the move speed % boots from the first phantom wasn't being aplied to the stats of the champion. Take a look it says 391 (probably if you pick the swiftness quintences) but with phantom you would have even more. Thats what I hadnt thought through, thanks for letting me see my mistake
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jhoijhoi (1894) | December 20, 2011 1:29am
WarZeeker wrote:
your main build is stupid... remove Berserker's Graves and add another Phantom.

lol.
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PsiGuard (881) | December 20, 2011 12:53am
Almost all champions will replace Sorcerer's Shoes or Berserker's Greaves with Mercury's Treads or Ninja Tabi by endgame, so it doesn't really matter.

Also, Phantom Dancer gives you less movement speed than level 2 boots, so there is a drawback to having no boots.
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WDFK (2) | December 20, 2011 12:37am
WarZeeker wrote:

I may be wrong, but I've thought it over and over again and if im not, your main build is stupid... don't miss understand me, i think every item is great and so is your build, but wouldn't you have about the same movement speed, more attack speed and more critical chance if you removed Berserker's Graves and added another Phantom? just saying I think you should add that too your guide, since it has been so succesfull with rating and views, but hasent anybody realized about that too?


You know, unless you're really fed, or the other team is stupid enough to let you farm all game, then you won't be able to buy another Phantom Dancer. Even if you bought another Phantom Dancer, you don't have enough defensive items to protect yourself. Think about it. :)
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WarZeeker | December 19, 2011 9:29am
I may be wrong, but I've thought it over and over again and if im not, your main build is stupid... don't miss understand me, i think every item is great and so is your build, but wouldn't you have about the same movement speed, more attack speed and more critical chance if you removed Berserker's Graves and added another Phantom? just saying I think you should add that too your guide, since it has been so succesfull with rating and views, but hasent anybody realized about that too?
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WDFK (2) | December 18, 2011 2:07am
jhoijhoi, if you could add a section on how to use Vayne's Condemn effectively, that would be great.

Pardon me if I somehow miss that section. :L
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MLPXJudge | December 17, 2011 4:24pm
Hello, it's me again.

I ran a similar but different setup than the one presented on your guide, since as you said it's a guide not rules, the results?

Pentakill Surrender at 20.
Thanks for helping me find the way I like to play Shauna Vayne, most fun AD carry to play as ever!

Pic for your guide:
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Ku5hlol (2) | December 17, 2011 6:32am




My first game ever as Vayne and was using this build, I main supports and tanks and usually suck at Ranged AD so that should say something. Good build and guide +1.
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PsiGuard (881) | December 16, 2011 8:06pm
^Sounds fine to me, except that Attack Speed marks aren't very great for laning. You don't get enough time autoattacking in laning phase, so you're usually better off with AD or arpen instead.

Also remember that build orders are usually situational anyway. You don't have to follow jhoi's build like a rulebook :P
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Deti | December 16, 2011 8:02pm
Awesome build.. but I do the items slightly diffrent. I usually go Dorans Blade> Dorans Blade + Boots> Berserker Greaves> Scept + Dorans Blade or Blood Thirster> Phantom Dancer> Black Cleaver.

I go all attack speed and armor pen runes.

With the way I say to go.. you have early attack speed bonus + extra damage. So if your facing someone with high health you can max silver bolts first or if your facing someone squishy you can max out tumble and get the boosted damage from all the Dorans Blades.
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Adeori (7) | December 16, 2011 5:11pm
Oh my god!~
So, I was playing a ranked, someone on the other team picked my Tristana (</3), so I had to pick another AD carry. I picked Vayne... BEST. CHOICE. EVER. I followed this guide, and went 22/7/7, and got a penta kill, it was awesome!~ I can provide with screenshots if needed.
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Inuira | December 16, 2011 8:24am
Thank you so much for this guide, I only just bought Vayne (mainly because of the 75% sale) and did great for my first game with her! One of the most detailed and easy to understand guide I've seen =D.
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iinGee | December 16, 2011 6:07am
I just bought Vayne [75% sale yay]

Using your build I got this;


You may post this is you want <3
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GinnyPig (2) | December 16, 2011 4:59am
It's a really good guide. I was going to ask you about the Alacrity Quints, but you had it in FAQ so no questions from me. +1
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jts2 (15) | December 14, 2011 5:16am
+1
Nice job!

Very in-depth, very well explained, very interesting ideas.

I completely agree that while Trinity Force is completely viable on Vayne, it is not the best way to build her (usually) and that you standard build is superior. I am also very interested in your Tank Vayne build.

Wit's End combined with the HP from Frozen Mallet and the armor and damage/crit from Atma's Impaler is something I would have never thought of on her. It would increase her survivability massively and add a bit of magic damage to her attacks!

I am not very good with Vayne and would like to learn how to play her better, and your videos were helpful for certain situations.

Nice job!
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ClouSpaWN | December 14, 2011 3:51am
Too.. much.. alliteration.. brain.. nooo!!!!
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Embracing (348) | December 14, 2011 2:44am
Probably should change the summoners a bit.

Heal and Cleanse are viable on Vayne now.

Cleanse is EXCEPTIONALLY strong. It counters exhaust lanes so well.
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t3h_aMbiTioN (2) | December 12, 2011 11:15am
Good guide, but i have a question why in all your videos you have a Pick Axe.
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PsiGuard (881) | December 11, 2011 10:42pm

That is what I usually do.I have tried both and was just wondering what you think about Last Whisper because I rarely see it in the top rated builds of this site.Thanks for answering!

1. Vayne scales well with Attack Speed, making The Black Cleaver more desirable.
2. Vayne has no physical damage abilities, making Last Whisper less important.
3. Vayne is designed to be able to focus down one target, meaning on-hits like Silver Bolts and The Black Cleaver synergize with her role.
4. Final Hour is on-hit.
5. Last Whisper is situational.

Vayne synergizes better with The Black Cleaver than any other ranged carry in the game. Does that answer your question?
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PebbleDevil (1) | December 11, 2011 10:24pm
Nice guide . I got a score of 13/3/2
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Calibern (34) | December 11, 2011 9:26am

One of my best Vayne matches. I was criting for 800+ each hit. Got a quadra, but it counted as 2 double kills.
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LordAerthos (2) | December 11, 2011 2:33am
Love the guide! I've always played Vayne as attack speed, but never really considered the theorycrafting behind maxing Silver Bolts last (I've been going 2nd, after Tumble). I also hadn't given thought to Madred's Bloodrazer being countered so easily, so a big thank you for pointing that out!
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Tazim (1) | December 10, 2011 12:58pm
I started playing Vayne as my main champion around a month ago, and your guide helped me mastering her pretty well.
Thank you for this awesome guide!
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unwanted | December 9, 2011 6:32pm
i only made this account to thank you for your wonderfull guide.. it took me a while to figure vayne out but i always see she can do great if on the right team even with a new on vayne like me..

some scores (note that last game items change a bit) :
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Soulstealer (1) | December 6, 2011 7:34pm
every day im tumblin'

great guide!
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CondoSylvam (3) | December 6, 2011 10:51am
20-3-9

with 14 kills in a row....

Great Guide+++
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Thalia Kael (78) | December 5, 2011 2:57pm
i use the same build
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Thalia Kael (78) | December 5, 2011 2:57pm
nice guide
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Bloodandtears (1) | December 4, 2011 5:57pm
That is what I usually do.I have tried both and was just wondering what you think about Last Whisper because I rarely see it in the top rated builds of this site.Thanks for answering!
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jhoijhoi (1894) | December 4, 2011 5:47pm
Bloodandtears: I find The Black Cleaver synergises more with Vayne's Silver Bolts. If you want Last Whisper, buy it before Phantom Dancer and don't buy Black Cleaver. Never stack % with flat armour penetration.
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Bloodandtears (1) | December 4, 2011 1:13pm
Great guide.Quick question.Why no last whisper?
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iRavage | December 4, 2011 1:32am
Best Vayne Guide, when she was FTP i got a Penta, my first with her.
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Roman224 | December 3, 2011 8:35pm
Fantastic Vayne build i use it when I play here and it gave me new ideas on how to play her.
Nice job
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Grumb | December 2, 2011 7:17pm
Yeah so, with this build I just had my best game! Really solid build, I'm only new to LoL as a whole, so I hope to try and see if I can alter the guide to my play style a bit so I'm a bit more independent ;)
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silentdirge (3) | December 1, 2011 6:45pm
No problem. Did I mention +1? Well, I did now. :)
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jhoijhoi (1894) | December 1, 2011 5:57pm
^Sorcery used to be easily obtainable/worth it. Offense in damage is worth more now. I'll rewrite some of my parts :) Thanks for bringing it up.
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silentdirge (3) | December 1, 2011 5:33pm
That makes sense. I did find, however, that you say that it is important to get CDR runes so Vayne can spam skills more, but the runes you give only give ~5% CDR. You also say that CDR is increased by masteries, though you have since changed them. Just an FYI. But yeah, what does 5% CDR do? It is my opinion that if you use CDR runes, that you should also use CDR masteries.
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jhoijhoi (1894) | December 1, 2011 4:02pm
Dirge: Butcher is for the extra minion damage, which means it will be easier to grab last hits. Havoc because Vayne does a lot of damage.

I choose these two over Deadliness and Lethality, because my build is not critical strike based. I would rather have the early utility from Butcher and the late game damage of Havoc over a small amount of crit chance and increased crit damage.

Chew Toy: Thanks for the feedback. Am thinking of cutting a lot of it out. Am keeping the layout though.

Haplo: Really? I should fix that :)

Donx: Wow, that's a fantastic score! Fed Vayne's piss me off so much :P
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silentdirge (3) | December 1, 2011 3:42pm
heya JhoiJhoi,had a question about your masteries Why do you not have points in crit chance and increased crit damage?
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Chewing Toy | December 1, 2011 12:48pm
Lots of work with the guide, but too much useless noise and a terrible layout.
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Haplo | December 1, 2011 8:41am
in your broken down choices portion you have Trinity Force listed twice...just fyi
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xTheLastDonx | November 30, 2011 11:51pm
Hey! So I love all your guides and they really seem to work well for me. I recently played a 5's with less than awesome teammates, but thanks to your guide I was able to carry us :D
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Illiad | November 30, 2011 12:52am
+1

Great guide, better results. :)
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IceCreamy (448) | November 28, 2011 9:19am
ilke994 wrote:

Nothing goes through his cursed pillar :/


Wrong, yesterday I saw a Riven using Valor to go through the pillar. But I doubt if Vayne's Tumble range is that big...
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ilke994 (77) | November 28, 2011 9:05am
Nothing goes through his cursed pillar :/
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Temzilla (211) | November 28, 2011 8:30am
LMAT wrote:

+1 Vayne is my favorite carry and I really like the different builds you're showing in this guide. (my favorite is the AS one).
But i've something to ask :
- Why not leveling Silver Bolts first ? That's actually how i play her and it works well !
Since Condemn is a situational ability and Tumble'