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By Countic | 2011-05-14 20:32:34 | Reply

I like the build concept but there are ways to improve itemization for the concept. You keep saying "Trinity Force could replace Wit's End" but I think that is a mistaken way to look at Trinity Force. Wit's End should definitely be in the build, but phantom dancers should NOT. Replace the phantom dancers with Trinity Force. Critical strike is useless in a low raw-AD build and Trinity Force has every other stat that phantom dancers offers...plus a LOT more. I mean...permanent slowing effect? Some added health? Too good to pass up. If you beefed up enough to survive fights, used defensive tree spec, and armor/lvl and magic resist/lvl runes....this build would be super fine-tuned.

By NeoHarri | 2011-05-14 05:56:58 | Reply

I didn't notice it so much when building offensively, but when building defensive, I found myself out in the field longer, however I did try a game using sheen instead, and the mana issues subsided nearly entirely.

Another item that might be noteworthy against AA's, thornmail, giving a chunky 100 armour, as well as the AA return damage.

I generally test stuff more in 3v3, due to the shorter games, although it can have a negative impact in being too short, so really its just starting builds, which I think I can come to a close on for my personal opinion, so I'll prolly give 5v5 a go to try out some full builds later.

It sucks people vote guides down because they also have a Vayne guide or just because its not the same as every other build/their build.

By Alacor | 2011-05-14 05:22:43 | Reply

I do somewhat agree that Vayne isn't a very great Trinity Force champion. You really could just get Sheen, continue your build, and barely even feel the effects of not having completed Trinity Force.

It's not so much that you PLAY defensively with this build as you focus on having good defensive stats for late game so you can continue to be offensive with your bolts.

I've honestly never played 3v3 and never intend to. I came to LoL after playing DotA so 5v5 is just sort of what I do haha, but I would imagine the games would be a lot shorter in comparison to 5v5. I like your alternative item choices though, aside from Manamune. I can't recall ever having experienced mana problems after the very early laning phases of the game, but if you do have noticeable mana shortages then by all means go for it. Hextech, like you said, would really be the last thing you get because of the wasted stats. The only reason I would probably even consider getting it at all is because of the active. If it was just the AD/AP and lifesteal/spell vamp then I wouldn't even bother me thinks.

It's really a shame that people downrate the build without reading it because of a lack of AD. I guess I should try to make a note of the percentage damage in the title..

By stratocaster | 2011-05-14 03:35:24 | Reply

man u need more dmg

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By Holyc0w | 2011-05-14 07:45:35 | Reply

I would prefer to see instead of warmogs and just drop that item compltely from the build its really really bad.
i would go > > > > > Or sumthin glike that maybe not in that order but the slow and health from Rylai's Crystal Scepter is way better for ryze that warmogs will ever be

By dragalevcig | 2011-03-03 02:23:54 | Reply

actually this is kinda how i play ryze right now only without warmogs i prefer Bansshees or ROA fulfills the job of makin u tanky pretty good and with frozen heart and archangels staff u get nice survivability and a lot of dmg. i start with tear though and try taking the mr and hp regen per % of mana in defence makes an imba solo laner with around 70 hp regen at late game :D

By Lenuq | 2011-03-03 00:17:44 | Reply

Hmmm seems interesting as far as concept. The only thing i would change based purely on concept would be that warmogs. i would switch it with the rod of ages. To get the most outa the rod it takes time to build up but at the mid game the mana, health, and AP would be nice. and by late game you could last hit your way to fully stacked warmogs very quicky. I'll have to try it because the idea seems good. making a carry that is incredibly hard to focus.

By shadows fiji | 2011-03-02 23:44:52 | Reply

very truth .. but still i mean ryze doesn't has any ap till late game ... don't u think that he should have aleast same ap to do HIGH CC ... after his the best CC champ in game

OFF Build : i say tank ryze wouldn't be very good

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2011-05-14 06:00:34

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By pollaken | 2011-05-14 06:00:34 | Reply

Personally I prefair to max silver bolts first the extra damege is just imence against evryone

By Compleks | 2011-05-13 11:17:08 | Reply

@alltypes: well i think its bad coz when you use thumble you normal attack
got refresh so you dont need too mutch attack speed to make big dmg its
even faster with thumble then your attack speed.i say tinity + madreds is
what every vayne should have. With just this two items you get
thumble+trinity combo, attack speed, AD, hp
,slow and finaly 4% from madreds (depending on enemy m.res)

By marios3000 | 2011-05-13 08:45:00 | Reply

@Huntarolo: Rammus with his taunt helps you get kills easily while the heat is of you ;) Yeah if you find the picture i'll be more than glad to put it here :)

@Alltypes: Well LoL is all about trying out and seeing what fits for you. I get your concept but I believe that early game you will have more and burst damage with sheen and tumble rather than with Silver Bolts and attack speed, but if it works for you then its fine. It may suit your playstyle better, I'd love to see a guide on it :D
And tumble has an extremely low CD that makes it spammable at some point so it's like your normal attack ;)

By Alltypes | 2011-05-13 08:17:25 | Reply

Just wanted to comment. I'm fairly new to LoL and picked up Vayne when she first came out. Love her style of play. I'm not usually the one to confine myself to following guides and I took the time to just mess around with items on my own and for the most part I understand why Sheen would be a great item for Vayne and why you would go tumble first.

But I went an Atk Spd build while going Condemn and Silver Bullets first, with at least one in tumble and I've been doing just fine. Granted I'm only level 21 but my logic in it is, Tumble is amazing, but most of our damage comes from our straight basic attacks and every 3rd hit is true damage. Kind of like Master Yi, every 7th hit does more damage. So going by that logic I focused on Black Cleaver and Phantom Blade early on, so by midgame I could do my Condemn (Hopefully pin them against a wall), Tumble, combo which will at most times put them below half health already.

Just a random opinion on what you may think, still new to the game and figuring it all out.

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2011-05-14 05:12:12

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By Kreuzritter | 2011-05-14 00:49:00 | Reply

Pownography wrote:

Trinity is perfect for Vayne, although i do agree that starting with w is quite strange, and not leveling up q as top prio before ulti is quite strange aswell. I'd rush sheen at the start cuz thats when you really get your damage. Tumble + Sheen = gg.

Well i max W first over Q because getting that 70+8% life asap with some attack speed means that you absolutely dominate kids right off the bat...maxing Q only gives +75% attack damage add on so if you only have 100 you deal only 175...no way that is more than attack damage + 70 + 8% so there is my reasoning. I will agree that rushing sheen is gg though. Once i accumulate a few more reasonable pointers i will modify and give credit where due

Koldhearted wrote:

bad build

trinity isn't to hot on her
starting with W over Q is laughable
maxing w first and neglecting Q is ******ed

0/10

I wouldnt mind your rage if you at least made sense...trinity not a good item? stopped reading right then...take some pointers from Pown when posting and people wont laugh at you.

By Pownography | 2011-05-13 23:50:19 | Reply

By Koldhearted | 2011-05-13 23:30:44 | Reply

bad build

trinity isn't to hot on her
starting with W over Q is laughable
maxing w first and neglecting Q is ******ed

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By ElinWing | 2011-05-13 21:04:20 | Reply

DuffTime wrote:

Better than most Vayne guides out right now, but still not what I would have done at all =3

What would you change?

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By JonDizzzL | 2011-05-13 22:53:20 | Reply

I understand. Yea i am going through some changes with this build some. Thanks for the help.

By Landar#69711 | 2011-05-13 22:37:41 | Reply

I'm fine with the runes in this build. Red and Blues are fine, some people could go attack speed yellows but it lowers survivability. There are two things that I would add or change though.

One being that Sheen is probably one of the best items for Vayne, especially early game. Going mid, or even laning, you can tumble and do double the damage another Vayne would do. Also, Sheen later builds into Trinity Edge, which is always good for a champion like Vayne.

Another thing I noticed were the boots. Although moving fast is fine, Vayne's passive already increases her movement speed when she sights an enemy, and it has decent range. I would probably go with Bezerker boots (attack speed) or Ionian boots (cooldown reduction).

Overall your build is fine though.

By Alyna | 2011-05-13 21:35:39 | Reply

I actually went bottom and kept getting FB with help since they seem to get overconfident. The build works well I have yet to even be in the negative KDR wise even in games where I lost I was 21-4-10 in one and 10-1-3 in another

By JonDizzzL | 2011-05-13 19:04:23 | Reply

Thank you. I hope that you take the idea of this build and make it your own, so that you are successful in your league career. May i ask how did u fare 1v1 in mid? Did u go mid? How was early game for you?

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