Can ryze be beaten in lane? (plat diamond only)

[quote=Pheyniex][[Ryze]] is to be culled early game. [[Cassiopeia]], [[Leblanc]]? NyJacky even pulled off [[Veigar]] against [[Ryze]]. Just bully him over.[/quote]

[quote=throatslasher]I'm not great with cassio. I'm going to work on karthus and anivia. The problem with low tier characters is you may win your lane, but then you're stuck playing brand or leblanc, major do nothings in the later stages of the game.[/quote]

[quote=FalseoGod]I've seen a video by some plat guy saying that big zone champs do well vs ryze in lane at high level play (where you're bound to hit skillshots). Spoke of [[lux]], [[cassiopeia]], [[syndra]] and [[orianna]] specifically. Of course it usually demands a lot from the person not playing Ryze.[/quote]

[quote=Creedless]In my experience, I found that [[Diana]] out-damages [[Ryze]] when you hit level 6. If you are worried about the harass, get [[abyssal scepter]] over [[nashor's tooth]] first and start 7 health potions, 2 wards, 2 mana potions. The problem with the match-up of course is your early-game and vulnerability to being ganked. Therefore, ward both sides of the river (or over the wall of the river bush if there is someone who can blink over the wall such as [[Fiddlesticks]]) and have magic resist runes. If you want an edge, you can cheese [[Ryze]] by taking wraiths with your top-laner to get an exp advantage by hitting level 6 first and going all in. I also find that going an AD bruiser mid like [[xin zhao]] works wonders due to his strong early-game damage output. You can kill most mids without escape like [[Ryze]] so long as you know the enemy jungler location. Just don't dive him under the turret due to his [[rune prison]] too early unless you can absolutely guarentee the kill. Even if you don't straight out kill him early at levels 2-4, you can still scare him out of lane, or make him farm under the turret, which makes him waste lots of mana since he doesn't have the mana sustain early in the game yet.[/quote]

[quote=throatslasher]fuck off creedless. ryze is diana's hardest counter. learn something and then come back.[/quote]

[quote=C4 Lasty]Yeah fuck off creedless. Learn stuff #nubcity[/quote]

[quote=Pølsemanden]Twisted Fate does the job quite well, but then again you said you're not very good with safe mids so i unno. Shove lane, farm wraiths, hit six first, port bot, acquire double kill for your ad-carry, you just won the game sonny boy. Caitlyn does the job well too[/quote]

[quote=throatslasher]i can't say i've ever seen cait mid.[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard]My best would be [[Lux]] since she's been my best mid for a long time and I played her a lot when [[Ryze]] was super popular in season 2 (back when two of the biggest mids were Ryze and Cass). I've usually done fine with [[Kennen]] too because of the range advantage but I doubt you'd be looking to play Kennen mid. I haven't played that matchup in a long time anyway. [[Orianna]] should be fine. It can be kind of tough because you have to land skillshots and he doesn't, but you still outrange him in lane and in team fights. You can shield some of his burst when he's comboing (same with Lux, actually) if you get snared. Those are the three that I've had personal success with in mid, the rest are just ideas. [[Xerath]] and [[Anivia]] can probably do well but I suck with Xerath and I have little Anivia experience. You could try [[Ziggs]] if you want, he has some pretty good range too. [[Syndra]] maybe? She has ranged poke similar to Ori and some pretty good single-target burst. I haven't seen many Syndras but she seems to have a pretty decent kit for fighting Ryze.[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64]ive seen cait mid on a few of the featured games and streams, it works if you have the right comp not that i know what it is also have you thought about quinn? im not plat or anything but it looks like she could go mid with her roaming powers but i have no idea how she would do against ryze since im no good with the theory crafting or match ups[/quote]