Best 1v1 Champion???????

[quote=JEFFY40HANDS][quote=ProAsylum] [quote=JEFFY40HANDS] [quote=animorte] [quote=The Overmyynd] This isnt a, "who has the best burst" thread, its "who can duel". Sure, Leblanc can blow shit up like she has Fat Man AND Little Boy in her staff, but get past the initial burst and get close to her, and she's a piece of paper held over an open flame. The best duelists are tanky and have a serious form of CC, and preferrably a good gap closer too. [/quote] The name of the thread is "Best 1v1 Champion?" not "Best Dueler" or "Best Nuker". Both are technically classified as 1v1 if it is one champion against one other, but you are right. If the nuker doesn't kill, it becomes nearly a free kill. [quote=JEFFY40HANDS] AP 1v1: Akali, Cassiopeia, Le Blanc [/quote] Don't forget that all of these can get completely destroyed by Veigar. [u]Now to my personal opinion:[/u] Against AD: [[Poppy]] Against AP: [[Veigar]], [[Kassadin]] Really good when farmed: [[Sion]], [[Nasus]] Just really good in general: [[Jax]], [[Udyr]], [[Xin Zhao]], [[Riven]] And questionably the best: [[Olaf]] (that true damage) [/quote] Anyone can be "destroyed" by Veigar given the duration of a game that doesn't make him an amazing duelist. If he doesn't kill you in a combo (if he actually lands his combo) he is vulnerable. If it was a pure 1v1 match up no jungler or additional lanes to worry about from either side, Veigar still loses. His weakest phase is laning, he needs to farm up his Q, or harass, he can't really do both. The reason being Veigar is a "teamcentric" champion. But that is my opinion. [/quote] lol not really.. veigar gain strenght vs AP enemies but he's totally squishy. it's easy NOT to get stunned by his cage and then you can avoid his W easily. i could take any midchamp vs veigar. he is not the best 1v1 ap champ. AP champs/Mid lane is working due to the COUNTERPICKS. Ever seen someone FIRSTPICK midlane? If yes, I'm sure he got countered. [/quote] Did you take the time to read anything i said? I basically just outlined how veigar is not a good duelist....essentially the exact set of ideas you just layed out. Or maybe i somehow mistook your "lol not really" when you meant to say "yup i agree with jeff" and there is an ap that can be first picked. Her name is cassiopeia. Is she counterable? Sure but not hard countered. You just pick someone who can farm well and avoid a majority of her harass when able. Any way had you gone to the first page you would have noticed i didnt list veigar as a good 1v1 champ. Sorry if i came off like an ass there, but you didnt read clearly or understand wholly what i said.[/quote]

[quote=tehAsian][quote=ProAsylum] Ever seen someone FIRSTPICK midlane? If yes, I'm sure he got countered. [/quote] You can't counter some mids that go top, because they'll go top and have bruiser mid. Someone said [[fiora]]. Tbh, [[fiora]] isn't *that* great of a duelist, [[burst of speed]] lasts wayyy too short, [[riposte]] scales off AP and has pretty bad base damage, [[lunge]] is okay [b]if you're winning[/b], [[blade waltz]]'s 25% damage for additional hits really hurts her DPS, [[duelist]] is actually pretty mediocre IMHO.[/quote]

[quote=Acid Reigns]I said fiora because she is a duelist lol. She isn't the best duelist at all, but she's definately better than some listed. Also, who cares if Blade Walze hurts her dps, it's free damage. :P[/quote]

[quote=Mooninites]battle [[taric]] [[maw of malmortius]] [[wit's end]] [[mercury treads]] [[atma's impaler]] [[frozen mallet]] <insert whatever item you want here> all you have left is to pray...[/quote]

[quote=JEFFY40HANDS][quote=Mooninites] battle [[taric]] [[maw of malmortius]] [[wit's end]] [[mercury treads]] [[atma's impaler]] [[frozen mallet]] <insert whatever item you want here> all you have left is to pray... [/quote] what about AD MALZ BRAH?[/quote]

[quote=Acid Reigns]^ If he goes in with his passive stacked up, or he already has voidlings, then yuh![/quote]

[quote=animorte]The way that some people seem to be talking about it is that there is not one good AP Nuker 1v1. They are good; they just have to either kill, survive until their next combo, or have some other damage output. LeBlanc can easily do that with [[Distortion]] and [[Ethereal Chains]]. Veigar also has his stun which is not difficult to land if you know how to use him. Don't forget that [[Deathfire Grasp]] also adds to whatever nuke may exist. For some of those hybrid AP carries, [[Hextech Gunblade]] adds damage as well as a slow. Generally, some of the best duelists are those beefy melee champions loaded with CC. Another AP carry that is a relatively good duelist is [[Swain]]. He actually has significant sustained damage and self-sustain.[/quote]

[quote=The Overmyynd]Swain would be one of the very few AP carries that i would call a decent duelist, especially if you have a [[will of the ancients]] and [[spirit visage]] with a fully stacked [[archangel's staff]] and a 10 minute old [[rod of ages]][/quote]

[quote=JEFFY40HANDS][quote=The Overmyynd] Swain would be one of the very few AP carries that i would call a decent duelist, especially if you have a [[will of the ancients]] and [[spirit visage]] with a fully stacked [[archangel's staff]] and a 10 minute old [[rod of ages]] [/quote] Ignite+dps caster says hi.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime][quote=Phoenix0000ff] My vote goes to full item set AD Alistar. [/quote] ... :D[/quote]