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The "uncounterable's"?

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April 19, 2012 1:38am
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Pølsemanden » April 19, 2012 1:38am | Report
So what champions are solid first picks and uncounterable?
My short-list.
Top:
Renekton(although he has a hard time against kennen), Pantheon, Nidalee, cho'gath.

Mid:
Galio, Ryze(to some level), Morgana.

Bot:
Urgot.

Support:
Janna

Jungle:
Trundle.



Champions i chose not to enlist:
Warwick gets destroyed by a lot of matchups(personal favourite; Gangplank.)(hard time against ryze/kennen as well)
Gangplank, used to be my go-to top pick if i was first pick but i figured if enemy picks pantheon you dead bro, you can still get through this afk-farming maxing W though.
Olaf is very strong, but if they send ryze or Kennen you'll have a hard time.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Acid Reigns » April 19, 2012 2:07am | Report
Cait is hard countered by sivir O.o

Also, ren and panth aren't very good :/

I'd prolly say something more along the lines of

Top:
Lee Sin, Gangplank, Cho'Gath, Irelia, Vladimir, Nidalee

Mid:
Ryze, Urgot, Galio, Mordekaiser

Carry:
Miss Fortune, Corki

Jungle:
Shyvana, Dr. Mundo, Trundle

Support:
This is usually picked depending on your team, rather than the other team, however, a good Janna is always awesome! :O
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Crows foot » April 19, 2012 2:09am | Report
Galio mid isn't uncounterable, just don't go ap ;p
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Slappiz » April 19, 2012 2:11am | Report
TOP:
Put AD-Kennen on top lane and you got yourself an effective counter vs Renekton.
Yorick > Pantheon

MID:
If you want to counter Galio mid, put Soraka mid against him. Lower his magic res = less AP for Galio.

BOT:
Caitlyn can be easily countered by Sivir (+free mana on traps), Tristana is also really effective vs Cait. Urgot is probably the hardest to counter on bot lane.


JUNGLE:
Trundle is hard to counter, best choice is probably a roaming jungler with great mobility like Shaco or Lee Sin to keep pressure on the lanes and force Trundle to help the lanes instead of counter jungling,


A solid first pick IMO: Janna
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Yagamoth » April 19, 2012 2:12am | Report
Renekton and Pantheon are both heavily countered by a Poppy... But who plays Poppy anyway?.. Well, I love when enemies get Renekton first - Pantheon can still go jungling or switch to mid.

And... That leads me to my basic idea: Champions that can take multiple roles. Obviously this only works when you can actually play the roles. But it can turn out really well, when the enemy expects you to go top lane and then suddenly faces a different Champion he doesnt have the runes/masteries for.
- Cho'Gath Jungle
- Riven Jungle
- Trundle top
- Nocturne top
- Fiddlesticks mid/top
- Jungle Galio (Works surprisingly well..)
- Kennen (mid or top)
- Vlad (mid or top)
- Lee Sin (Can do anything... really)

Other than that, the safest lanes I can think of:

Support:
- Anything works.. Especially Janna

AD Carry:
- No clue, don't play

Top:
- Yorick (only very, very few actually know what to do against a Yorick in my Elo range - ~1800+)
- Nidalee (if you play it well, you can play any matchup)
- Warwick (depending on matchup you can request an early jungle gank, from there on you can hold your lane against most enemies)

Mid:
- Morgana (She can lane against anything.. Maybe not win hard, but never dies if well played)
- Ahri (Similar to Morgana, but has a few weak matchups - but even those can work if played right)
- Galio
- Ryze

Jungle: (Basically anything, that can complement your team and is resilient against heavy counter/control junglers)
- Nocturne
- Trundle
- Shyvana
- Udyr
- (Gangplank)

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I disagree with the previous poster on GP top. There are so many Champions that can straight up destroy gangplank ^^

Edit: Added some Champions due to thoughts in previous posts
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Acid Reigns » April 19, 2012 2:27am | Report
Wait, you're 1800 elo, and people don't know how to counter yorick...?
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I haven't played him in a looooong time. Did he get nerfed? I can't remember :o
I know he used to be a pretty strong pick top is all :o

And, I don't agree with your ahri in mid SO THERE! >.<

Ryze > all

Ooh, and morg would prolly lose out to a good fizz.
She wouldn't be like useless, but he could set her back a lot if he knew what he was doing.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by LaronX » April 19, 2012 3:02am | Report

So what champions are solid first picks and uncounterable?
My short-list.
Top:
Renekton(Teemo,WW, Udyr, Ryze), Pantheon(Shen,WW, Malp), Nidalee(just farm you will be more usfull late), cho'gath(WW, Udyr)

Mid:
Galio(Talon, Pantheon), Ryze(Annie, Cassio), Morgana(Cassio, Morde).

Bot:
Urgot(push hard and dodge his E)

Support:
Janna(Alistar, Soraka, Taric as Support how out sustain her with AD carrys like Graves or Sivir that can poke good)

Jungle:
Trundle( Skarna Mundo and don't counter jungel him you don't want to meat him in his jungel)



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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Wintermond » April 19, 2012 3:53am | Report
Top: Riven, Shen, WW

No real hardcounters, fit into any teamcomp.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Embracing » April 19, 2012 5:13am | Report
Agree with winter. Lee is also uncounterable at top I think
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Slappiz » April 19, 2012 5:27am | Report
Wintermond wrote:

Top: Riven, Shen, WW

No real hardcounters, fit into any teamcomp.



But Shen is soooooooo weak vs Yorick.

IMO Yorick, Warwick, Olaf and Lee Sin are the 4 most versatile champions atm on top lane.
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