Darius: OP or no?

[quote=NinjaGinge]lol duff. its not a mystery why you die. its the fact that with his grab and twirl you already have two stacks and all of a sudden you cant go in to last hit safely if you're a melee champ edit. he's still not op. the sheer damage from his kit and passive just make him a good counter to a lot of melee tops[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]I had an epiphany earlier today in a bot match. Galio might be a real good counterpick to him. MR to stop his passive, he can buy armor later. [[Bulwark]] basically tells [[hemorrhage]] to go fuck its self because you're healing off it.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Yeah well he also has zero sustain and does not out damage most solo tops in hard burst engages pre 6. In long drawn out fights, he will get 5 stacks and then post six with five stacks he can essentially kill you from 50% hp with ignite. Again, it's all his passive and ulti. Mostly his passive and the fact that the ulti scales with that. So basically, he can't kill you without 5 stacks of ulti, which is why I'm referring to Darius as "The noob stomper." He's also competitively viable, strong champion and loads of fun to play, don't get me wrong, I just find the global League sobfest to be REALLY amusing and blown out of proportion! :P[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime][quote=Lugignaf] I had an epiphany earlier today in a bot match. Galio might be a real good counterpick to him. MR to stop his passive, he can buy armor later. [[Bulwark]] basically tells [[hemorrhage]] to go fuck its self because you're healing off it. [/quote] TBH I'm inclined to say MAYBE. Galio is a poor pick top and I think Darius could kill Galio early and with gank support op. BUT you are right that Bulwark counters his passive expertly. Interesting thought. I don't think the MR is worth the investment to counter his passive though, but it's an interesting thought o_O If I'm gonna try to beat darius I'm picking Kennen, Lee Sin, Udyr, yada yada.[/quote]

[quote=Adovid]I saw it in twisted treeline and it was painful because it's impossible to kill him with 3 melee champions once he has boots of swiftness and red buff due to his mobility, damage over time to multiple champions while fighting and the range of his 1000k true damage ult. IMO he needs his passive to give him 3% move speed rather than 5%, less base damage over time and his ult to have less range or less bonus damage from stacks.[/quote]

[quote=Somalie]Does MR really work against him ? That mitigates Darius' passive, but not his Q W E R and AA ... That sounds strange to me, that would be like building MR against a Lee sin because of his E.[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf][quote=Somalie] Does MR really work against him ? That mitigates Darius' passive, but not his Q W E R and AA ... That sounds strange to me, that would be like building MR against a Lee sin because of his E. [/quote] What I'm saying is, because [[bulwark]] gives armor and MR, it helps mitigate the bleed damage as well as as the armor makes him deal less damage overall. Also, [[Quicksilver sash]] becomes a decent counter item in teamfights because it removes his passive stacks.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime][quote=Somalie] Does MR really work against him ? That mitigates Darius' passive, but not his Q W E R and AA ... That sounds strange to me, that would be like building MR against a Lee sin because of his E. [/quote] I agree, and I think you're right. MR doesn't sound like a realistic counter to me, although the thought is interesting :P TBH, just kill him. If he builds like a full tank then he LITERALLY cannot threaten you until he has 5 stack ulti. If you die to tank Darius you're really silly. If he builds damage, then he's a full melee who is glass, and you can just kill him.[/quote]

[quote=Wintermond]Darius is kind of broken form what I've seen so far. He beats up most lanes and snowballs like a fucking king. He falls off a bit in late teamfights tho unless he's really fed, but his extreme early and midgame totally make up for that.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]I mean I agree, his passive and ultimate are too strong, and he's closer to broken than he is balanced. I just don't think he's on the level that people make him out to be. xP[/quote]