So...about the Ryze chages

[quote=iownedya]The new [[Ryze]] changes are both buffs and nerfs. The mana ratios are getting slightly nerfed, while his spell flux and ultimate is getting buffed. Now, RoA is his main item besides [[Archangels Staff]]. He will still deal out a lot of damage, but less. AP will be a big part in his damage. I'm not a [[Ryze]] player, so I don't know how hard it will affect him.[/quote]

[quote=Vitigam]So what build would you guys recommend for him? I see ROA being very viable on him now, and [[Archangel's Staff]] would be even better on him now.[/quote]

[quote=EvilDice]honestly wtf. they think that making RoA more viable on him now is going to make him more of a glass cannon??? no, now he's just going to be more tanky and add health to resistances. ryze autoban now imo[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]If you think about his mana ratios weren't even really nerfed. It's -1% on his Q and -0.5% on his W in exchange for 1% on his E - which hits [i]six times[/i]. So basically they buffed his ult with ridiculous MS, buffed his Q's base, AP scaling and mana costs in exchange for a 1% mana ratio nerf, nerfed his W a little in duration and mana scaling but lowered its' cost and buffed his E massively. They buffed almost everything about him. (Assuming the live patch changes are the same as the PBE ones.)[/quote]

[quote=Darcurse]I dont remember all but you also have to mention the other damage reworks they have done (If they didn't recall it already which I dont know about): Q lost 1% mana ratio, which indeed gets better the further you get into the game, BUT therefore the base dmg is increased by 20 on all levels and the AP ratio is inreased by 0.2 WAY better early game and only looses very little late. @Rod of Ages: I would buy one, even on the old one, but only with the money at hand to get it early. But buying it only NOW after the rework while you'd have skipped it beforehand totally is just dumb as ****. Even while Q is his bread and butter, AP didn't suddenly make a quantum leap into the build with that 0.2 raise: 100 AP ~ 1000 Mana in terms of money. While you have 40% AP ratio and 6.5% for Mana you see the difference. AP still sucks on him, either way you wanted a RoA even before rework or you're still going to leave it behind.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]It might only be 0.4 but that's double what it was before. Remember that Q has a two second cooldown, slightly over one second with max CDR and Ryze's passive reduces the cooldown even further to the point you can cast it almost constantly. 0.4 on a spell with such a low cooldown is pretty good. W has an okay AP ratio too and E's is actually fairly good considering it hits six times.[/quote]

[quote=Darcurse]Yeah and still: Mana gives you better dmg boost on Q and overall. Ofc RoA provides both, that's why I'd definitely grab one if I have the money lying around, but saying that RoA was bad pre-rework but NOW is good again... not likely.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]I still think my change would be better: http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/User:NicknameMy#Ryze It would fill the same purpose but this would be a nerf, not a buff. Also, glascannon should be viable again ;).[/quote]

[quote=Searz]Don't forget that his Q was nerfed 50 range. That's not negligible. Still, that's a nerf for his early and glass-cannon builds. Tanky Ryze won't feel much difference in lategame..[/quote]

[quote=Vitigam]Interesting. What would your builds be? Mines something like this: Tear, Boots, Catalyst, Merc Threads/Sorc Shoes, Archangel's Staff, Frozen Heart, Roa, Banshees. What do you guys think?[/quote]