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Sooo now with the zeal nerf.

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June 6, 2012 5:15am
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Pølsemanden » June 6, 2012 5:15am | Report
I know this whole thread might sound a bit "nicknamemy"'ish and it probably is. But i just want to share something with you which has given me great success so far.

Before the zeal nerf a pretty standard ad-build was:

Boots of Speed - double Doran's Blade - Zeal - Infinity Edge - Berzerker's greaves - Phantom Dancer
You got the zeal because it gave you everything required for an IE rush. The MS for positioning and survivability and the crit.

Now people just tend to skip the zeal alltogether and go:
Boots of Speed - double Doran's Blade - Berzerker's greaves - Infinity Edge - Phantom Dancer
The problem with this is that you "only" get 25% crit from the Infinity Edge making it very situational what your dps will be, also you miss out on the MS.

What I do now:
first i go for lifesteal quints and a Doran's Blade start, which gives me 12% lifesteal and lets me win trades early on, the 6% lifesteal is the only thing keeping me in lane and 9/10 times it works out just fine, the 10th time(my support derped, i derped, i lagged or something) i do get stomped. But i think of it as high risk high reward. But now to the revolutionary thing. I build Avarice Blade

Doran's Blade - Boots of Speed - Avarice Blade(or another doran's, depending on the champion and how i'm doing and the state of the lane) - Berzerker's greaves - Infinity Edge - Phantom Dancer or The Bloodthirster

everything past 7 minutes of having Avarice Blade is pure profit.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Klausenheim » June 6, 2012 7:42am | Report
That's an interesting build. I don't see many Avarice Blade users out there, but I like the idea of getting even more gold on my carry. My question is - wouldn't you get bullied in lane by anyone who went double or triple Doran's Blade early? Gaining an extra gp5 isn't going to help much if you can't CS reliably because you are sitting under the turret or constantly recalling. I know you mentioned having 12% lifesteal, but how much health are you really getting with only +10 AD?

I almost feel like this build might benefit more from building an Executioner's Calling in the place of the Avarice Blade. You lose the gp5 but get more crit and even more lifesteal. Not really sure if that would help much either as you are still not getting any AD...but I'm not sure.

Either way it's an intriguing start that I might toy with a few times.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Senac » June 6, 2012 7:46am | Report
Nooo. Buy Cloak and Dagger

OPEEEEEE.

And don't forget the Exes onhit thing. It adds up! And it's super annoying if somebody tries to recall.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Pølsemanden » June 6, 2012 8:57am | Report

That's an interesting build. I don't see many Avarice Blade users out there, but I like the idea of getting even more gold on my carry. My question is - wouldn't you get bullied in lane by anyone who went double or triple Doran's Blade early? Gaining an extra gp5 isn't going to help much if you can't CS reliably because you are sitting under the turret or constantly recalling. I know you mentioned having 12% lifesteal, but how much health are you really getting with only +10 AD?

I almost feel like this build might benefit more from building an Executioner's Calling in the place of the Avarice Blade. You lose the gp5 but get more crit and even more lifesteal. Not really sure if that would help much either as you are still not getting any AD...but I'm not sure.

Either way it's an intriguing start that I might toy with a few times.

It really varies if i go for double doran's or not. Most of the time i do go for double doran's though, since it's just soo strong on "ad-casters", but if i'm on a auto-attack carry that totally mostly relies on AA'ing and not AD-scaling abilities i often go for it after 1 doran's(if i'm not loosing that is).

Examples:
Ashe, Corki and Tristana - theese 3 are pretty much the only carries i play and they work really well with it since they need(especially ashe and tristana) an early IE to keep up with the others in damage.

On AD-casters like:
Sivir, MF and graves double or triple Doran's Blade is a must.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Klausenheim » June 6, 2012 9:54am | Report
Ah I see! Yeah I think that the burstier AD casters really scale better with multiple Doran's Blades.

Do you turn that Avarice Blade into a Ghostblade later on, or just turn around and sell it?
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by animorte » June 6, 2012 10:06am | Report
The problem with most Gp10 items is that the counter-part it needs to build into the final item is usually exponentially better...

Examples: Avarice Blade + The Brutalizer... Heart of Gold + Warden's Mail... Kage's Lucky Pick + Fiendish Codex

Philosopher's Stone is pretty awesome though.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Babit » June 6, 2012 10:55am | Report
Problem is avarice blade doesn't build into anything you could use. Where zeal does, gives you more stats, and doesn't cost too much more.

You are going to hurt yourself with the purchase of an avarice blade purely by slowing down the time that you have you zeal + IE combo. That is when you really start to shine as an ad carry, and you should be trying to get to that point as fast as possible.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Pølsemanden » June 6, 2012 11:59am | Report
The thing is.. doesn't matter that you don't build it into anything, the crit stat it gives is all you need to rush an IE. And where zeal used to be superior, i don't feel that the MS and AS boost ads up to getting it before IE anymore, which is why that if you do a couple of B's, the avarice blade is just superior as a low-cost item.

Also it pays for itself really quickly.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by A Chubby Baby » June 6, 2012 6:27pm | Report
nah. i still dun like avarice blade. i always consider executioners calling though. boss lifesteal and good crit.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by EvilDice » June 6, 2012 7:20pm | Report
skipping zeal has been pretty common even before the nerf...

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