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tell or discuss the followling, give legit reasons for any opinions please not just " Darius ult OP!!!!!!!!!!"

  1. "Best" Ult/s (disregarding weird situational stuff): Requiem - Allows for massive, global damage. and can really turn a 3v4 or 2v3 ect in you favor due to the amount of un-expected damage that will come in suddenly.

    also Ragnarok - allows you to ignore the entire enemy team and assassinate the carries, always good to kill the biggest treats easy
  2. "Worst" Ult/s (same as before) - Desperate Power - after the changes this became useless really, only good for farming minions and maybe a little AoE in a team fight, the spell vamp isn't even that great as you could have it all the time with a WotA and the right masteries (one if you.
  3. Most Underestimated Ult/s - vengeful malestrom - the number of times I have melted people who dished out a lot of damage and then wandered into my ult is very high, they always complain of forgetting it does that lol
  4. Most Overestimated Ult/s - Noxian Guillotine - really all it is a glorified finisher that I rarely see be overbearing, even when used to full effect as most players, even pros, wont land that refresh for a triple or double, much less a penta. Mostly because it is easy to kite Darius to hell and back.
  5. Most Situational Ult/s - Undying Rage - when you're going to die, always, and only.
  6. And finally, Most Annoying Ult/s - Noxious Trap - if you've ever been walking around and hit by seven of these, or killed by one, you know why.... also, f**k teemo!
  7. For funsies, Favorite Ult/s (no reason needed)- Vengeful Maelstrom
so yeah, discuss, give opinions, reasoning, ect.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by tehAsian » June 11, 2012 7:41pm | Report
You don't necessarily have to use Undying Rage only when you're about to die, you can use it for free crit chance, spin up to someone, crit them a few times and kill them, then run away :P
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meh true I guess, not a trynd player so yeah
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tell or discuss the followling, give legit reasons for any opinions please not just " Darius ult OP!!!!!!!!!!"

  1. "Best" Ult/s (disregarding weird situational stuff): Requiem - Allows for massive, global damage. and can really turn a 3v4 or 2v3 ect in you favor due to the amount of un-expected damage that will come in suddenly.


It's totally true, wouldn't say it is the 100% best all the time, but it's good.


also Ragnarok - allows you to ignore the entire enemy team and assassinate the carries, always good to kill the biggest treats easy


True, but so do several other ultimates.


[*] "Worst" Ult/s (same as before) - Desperate Power - after the changes this became useless really, only good for farming minions and maybe a little AoE in a team fight, the spell vamp isn't even that great as you could have it all the time with a WotA and the right masteries (one if you.


I seriously don't understand this. What is wrong about free damage, spellvamp, and movement speed ever 15 seconds? It wasn't that great before (it was actually still good before), but it's better now. Yes, it gave a little free damage because of the extra mana, but not that much.


[*] Most Underestimated Ult/s - vengeful malestrom - the number of times I have melted people who dished out a lot of damage and then wandered into my ult is very high, they always complain of forgetting it does that lol


So true, that 20% damage reduction is super strong as well.


[*] Most Overestimated Ult/s - Noxian Guillotine - really all it is a glorified finisher that I rarely see be overbearing, even when used to full effect as most players, even pros, wont land that refresh for a triple or double, much less a penta. Mostly because it is easy to kite Darius to hell and back.


You haven't played againt a Darius in a teamfight where everyone is in each other faces. He'll just run up to you ( Ghost, Flash whatever) and pull you in, get 5 stacks on you in 1.5 seconds and chop your head off. Darius ult is super strong, yes, it is a killsteal, but it's demoralizing to see that Darius going from 2/6/2 in laning phase to 9/6/4 in 2 teamfights.


[*] Most Situational Ult/s - Undying Rage - when you're going to die, always, and only.


When you are going to die as a squishy melee hypercarry. Totally not situational at all. It's not like you need to use it every teamfight ever minute or so. Nope. Totally not at all.


[*] And finally, Most Annoying Ult/s - Noxious Trap - if you've ever been walking around and hit by seven of these, or killed by one, you know why.... also, f**k teemo!

[*] For funsies, Favorite Ult/s (no reason needed)- Vengeful Maelstrom


so yeah, discuss, give opinions, reasoning, ect.


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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by NicknameMy » June 11, 2012 11:09pm | Report
Well, everyone screams "OMG OP" after they were killed by Darius' ult. This could be rated as overestimated.

A very underestimated spell is Fury of the Sands, aswell as the generally underrated Nasus. Many people which gank Nasus underestimate this and Nasus gets a double kill.
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NicknameMy wrote:
A very underestimated spell is Fury of the Sands, aswell as the generally underrated Nasus. Many people which gank Nasus underestimate this and Nasus gets a double kill.


The most fun about Nasus is leaving top lane 0/0/0 with 120 + farm for your first outside world adventure. Suddenly, people start realizing you're there and you're farmed.

I think a lot of ultis deserve mentioning: Shen's frequently demoralizes killing target X with his, Gangplank can provide a lot of utility with a well-placed ulti, not to mention those AoE's that can trap entire teams (Malphite, Amumu, Orianna, Sona, Galio)
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by utopus » June 12, 2012 7:25am | Report
I highly doubt that Desperate Power is a bad ult. You'd be surprised how much extra damage Ryze deals with that AoE. Also, The spell vamp is noticable, Especially if you have a Will of the Ancients to go along with it. And yes, i have build Will of the Ancients on ryze before. I like it.

I don't agree with Undying Rage being the most situational ult. I think that spot belongs to twitch's Spray and Pray. Seriously: If the enemy team gets in a line, And your twitch attacks them with that on, Your twitch just won your team the fight. It's of course, so situational, because if Twitch is an inch out of position, his ult is kinda sh!tty

Finally, I believe that the most underestimated ultimate is Zilean's Chronoshift. I mean, This ult makes your AD carry go all baylife on the enemy team. I mean, what's better than having your carry live to dish out damage TWICE?!?!
I think this is an effective ult, because it single handedly stops enemy nukers (like LeBlanc) from tearing your carry to pieces!

I think the best ultimate in the game is Janna's Monsoon, just because it can separate everyone on the enemy team and secure kills so well (and save your teammates, too!). I mean, Janna's flash ult combo is probably one of the main reasons why she is at the top of Elementz' support tier list
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Tiwtch's Spray and Pray is good for finishing off running targets. Generally people run in a straight line, so that extra range is super helpful.

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utopus wrote:

I highly doubt that Desperate Power is a bad ult. You'd be surprised how much extra damage Ryze deals with that AoE. Also, The spell vamp is noticable, Especially if you have a Will of the Ancients to go along with it. And yes, i have build Will of the Ancients on ryze before. I like it.

Finally, I believe that the most underestimated ultimate is Zilean's Chronoshift. I mean, This ult makes your AD carry go all baylife on the enemy team. I mean, what's better than having your carry live to dish out damage TWICE?!?!
I think this is an effective ult, because it single handedly stops enemy nukers (like LeBlanc) from tearing your carry to pieces!



Meh, I just really hate the new version of ryze as a whole, before I was decent with him, now he just feels off to me, prolly a little biased. And zileans ult does basically the same thing as Yorick's or Mordekaiser's.... though Mord's is far more evil as it kill you with you friends.
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You haven't played againt a Darius in a teamfight where everyone is in each other faces. He'll just run up to you ( Ghost, Flash whatever) and pull you in, get 5 stacks on you in 1.5 seconds and chop your head off. Darius ult is super strong, yes, it is a killsteal, but it's demoralizing to see that Darius going from 2/6/2 in laning phase to 9/6/4 in 2 teamfights.



When you are going to die as a squishy melee hypercarry. Totally not situational at all. It's not like you need to use it every teamfight ever minute or so. Nope. Totally not at all.

I hate Teemo. Teemo. Just die horribly Teemo. So satisfying to kill you.


Darius can still be kited to the depths of hell, just get an Ashe and let her profit from her free kills one him, hell she could prolly top against him and nom nom nom on him so hard she could OKO a max health Cho'Gath

As to the trynd thing... not sure if sarcastic or.....

I agree on the teemo bit
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