Who counters Trundle in the jungle?

[quote=omagma]Why yes, now that you mention it [quote=DuffTime] Xenasis there's no point to even argue with you [/quote] Must feel weird, you are normally the one people don't bother arguing with. On topic: Why haven't anyone mentioned Shyvana? Wraith > red > enemy red > ??? > profit.[/quote]

[quote=Phoenix0000ff]I think Duff mentioned Shyvana sir. You must be reading this thread less than I am XP[/quote]

[quote=omagma]Oh, my bad. Thanks for pointing it out (:[/quote]

[quote=Xenasis][quote=DuffTime] Xenasis there's no point to even argue with you because you clearly don't even have a basic understanding of jungling. [/quote] I'll ignore the irony in this post and amuse myself for now. [quote=DuffTime] Shyvanna clears the map so fast that she -does- gank well, even if each gank is not dramatic impact. Besides, her ganks are solid with red buff, and she can steal red and blue buffs so fast that it hurts the gank and lane strength of the enemy jungler. This will keep coming back to the strength of the gankers, and this might hurt your brain, but believe it or not, Shyvanna is a ganker because of her clear speeds. [/quote] Please, if you die to a Shyvana ganking you, no matter how higher levels she is, she has no tools to gank that stop you simply flashing/running etc away. If it's warded she has no chance. She's MADE to farm and counter jungle, and that's what good players use her for. And win tournaments with. [quote=DuffTime] Because she can gank so often, every lane changes their play style to compensate for the threat of dragon bitch showing up anytime. That's map control via threat of GANKS, and it's because she clears so fast and is so mobile that she can be anywhere anytime. [/quote] She can gank often but she can't gank WELL often. It's far better for her to counter jungle. If you've not watched Diamondprox play I'd advise you do, he ganks maybe once in the whole game, but he's permanently counterjungling. If you think you know more than me about this matter, sure, but you won't know more than him. Even if you hate the team, they play damn well. Jungling isn't about ganking. If you want someone made for ganking you'd pick Rammus. Rammus can gank often. [quote=DuffTime] Your attitude is not founded in reality, you're not the jungle whiz you think you are, and you have no place speaking to me like my understanding of the jungle is below yours, when in reality, you've got a long way to go before your understanding of the jungle even comes close to mine. (And I don't even main the jungle kid) [/quote] Lol'd. Please present some evidence before making such wild claims. [quote=DuffTime] Seriously not wasting my breath on the ramblings of a jungle player who think he knows it all though. Sub par understanding of the game. [/quote] Irony. Present reasons as to WHY before insulting me. [quote=DuffTime] Also, that bit about Trundle falling short isn't correct. He's just misunderstood and used incorrectly. Plenty of pros who understand him, like Saint and Jatt, use Trundle regularly and in tournament play. [/quote] When did I say he fell short? He's a great pick. By the way, Jatt doesn't play any more.[/quote]

[quote=Xenasis][quote=omagma] Why haven't anyone mentioned Shyvana? Wraith > red > enemy red > ??? > profit. [/quote] No you idiot the best route is Gank > Gank > Gank > Gank I'm not going to tell you why it just is and if you think differently then you have a sub-par understanding of the game.[/quote]

[quote=jhoijhoi]Trundle on our team failed the most just now as our jungler. From his performance I can say that anything counters Trundle ^^ Doesn't even need to be counter-jungled to fail.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Reading comprehension fail. Again.[/quote]

[quote=jhoijhoi][quote=Xenasis] [quote=omagma] Why haven't anyone mentioned Shyvana? Wraith > red > enemy red > ??? > profit. [/quote] No you idiot the best route is Gank > Gank > Gank > Gank I'm not going to tell you why it just is and if you think differently then you have a sub-par understanding of the game. [/quote] I lol'd +rep, Xen.[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard][quote=jhoijhoi] Trundle on our team failed the most just now as our jungler. From his performance I can say that anything counters Trundle ^^ Doesn't even need to be counter-jungled to fail. [/quote] He's not easy to play. That's what you get for playing a champion with so much utility.[/quote]

[quote=omagma][quote=jhoijhoi] Trundle on our team failed the most just now as our jungler. From his performance I can say that anything counters Trundle ^^ Doesn't even need to be counter-jungled to fail. [/quote] Wait.... wut? [quote=DuffTime] Reading comprehension fail. Again. [/quote] Hiding behind his ego. Again.[/quote]