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Why we don't see more Ap Trists?

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I don't really know, but why we don't see more AP Trists? Her Rocket Jump has a 80% AP ratio and resets on kills and assists, her Explosive Shot scales with Draw a Bead and has a 100% AP and deals more damage than Ignite over time, making it a perfect harassing skill. And finally, Buster Shot has a ******edly high 150% AP ratio, no other champ I know has something like this with reliable damage. Her burst potential is higher than the one from LeBlanc. So, why she isn't played more?

Maximum AP-ratio without bonus items: 0.8*4+1.0+1.5*5 = 11.7
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Anastasios » December 12, 2012 9:12am | Report
+DFG, and Spellsword finally gives ger q some use.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by FalseoGod » December 12, 2012 10:30am | Report
She kinda suffers from the LeBlanc syndrome
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Luther3000 » December 12, 2012 10:40am | Report
FalseoGod wrote:

She kinda suffers from the LeBlanc syndrome


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Also you're insta-dead if you don't get the reset.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by throatslasher » December 12, 2012 2:57pm | Report
I played about 200 ap trist games spanning a month right before the dfg nerf. She's quite strong at low elo, if not the strongest snowballing mid in sub 1200 elo. The dfg rework in season 3 actually buffed the **** out of her. She has some poor matchups though, and she loses to smart people, like I said.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by tehAsian » December 12, 2012 3:11pm | Report
NicknameMy wrote:

I don't really know, but why we don't see more AP Trists? Her Rocket Jump has a 80% AP ratio and resets on kills and assists, her Explosive Shot scales with Draw a Bead and has a 100% AP and deals more damage than Ignite over time, making it a perfect harassing skill. And finally, Buster Shot has a ******edly high 150% AP ratio, no other champ I know has something like this with reliable damage. Her burst potential is higher than the one from LeBlanc. So, why she isn't played more?

Maximum AP-ratio without bonus items: 0.8*4+1.0+1.5*5 = 11.7


Because Buster Shot damages 1 unit, not an AoE.

So max AP Ratio would be 5.70, not 11.7.

Also very risky, as a lot of AP Carries can deal damage at a range, but Trist has to go all in. It's pretty much the reason why Kennen hasn't seen competitive play. High risk medium reward.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by CounterSnipe » December 12, 2012 10:14pm | Report
Because it's hard to pull off without good communication among team members, similar to how AP Yi is viable, but we never see him in games.

Other AP champions are generally safer than trist due to the fact that they can stay at a distance and do damage, while trist has to jump on a target in order to land a lot of her damage. Also, tritst's Q is completely wasted on an AP build. It can be argued that AP yi doesn't benefit from his E AD buff, but it does help him with last hitting in lane. AP trist is very fun, and she has the potential to become a viable competitive pick, but only in a 5 person pre-made such that everyone is on the same page.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Keltocdragon » December 13, 2012 11:43am | Report
Because her long cooldown's don't make her viable in team fights unless you have an halfway decent ad build
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Jpikachu1999 » December 13, 2012 3:06pm | Report
Because to kill people you have to jump into the middle of them and you do very little damage after you use your spell combo. Plus, late game, it's a hell of a lot harder to burst people so you end up being useless in teamfights once people get their MR going.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Keltocdragon » December 13, 2012 5:45pm | Report
Thank you for the refined version I actually like it better xD
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