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Shyvana Build Guide by SpikeThePike

[SEASON 9] Shyvana jungle total guide - The Most in Depth

By SpikeThePike | Updated on March 6, 2019
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NicknameMy (155) | February 26, 2019 1:32am
I am sorry, but how you describe AP Shyvana is totally wrong and misleading. What works best right now for AP Shyvana is go maximum damage possible and just simply not using ult to jump into enemies, but rather to reposition for the perfect E. If you jump into them you just die and loose a lot of damage. If you are at maximum E range you can safely poke them, especially if you have 45% CDR.
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SpikeThePike (15) | March 5, 2019 10:36am
Please give evidence for the build and playstyle you are saying is better on AP Shyvana - either from statistics or videos of good players.

URF mode you are right of course. Outside URF mode, I want to see some evidence and will consider updating the guide if you have something good.

Please note the guide currently reads:

"With an AP build, Shyvana's positioning is different. She is aiming to use her high mobility from W (which can be almost constantly available when she has 40% CDR) to stay out of range of enemy abilities, and apply poke damage with E. "

Not totally sure what you are saying different from that?
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meeeeep7 | January 1, 2019 4:24am
If anyone was curious about the claim that Shyvana can 1v1 a tower without minions, here you go: https://gfycat.com/AccurateGrimyAmethystinepython
Really cool stuff
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meeeeep7 | January 1, 2019 5:45am
This was done with Press the Attack, Triumph, Legends: Alacrity, Coup de Grace, Transcendence, and Gathering Storm for runes with attack speed, adaptive force, and armor for stat bonuses. I had killed five drakes, one of each type with an extra mountain. I could have done it with fewer drakes had I attacked one of the outer turrets, but since the second turret is the strongest, I wanted to see if I could kill that one. I'm genuinely really impressed that Shyvana can do this. I tried it with a number of other champions who are good at killing towers, such as Tryndamere and Master Yi. The only other champ I found who was able to solo first and second tower (at around the same match time and with the same drake setup as I used on Shyvana) was Jax, who, with this build, was able to just barely 1v1 the towers. Overall pretty impressive for our little dragon friend.

UPDATE: I was able to do it on Udyr as well. In fact, he seemed to do it the best, ending up with the most HP left over.
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SpikeThePike (15) | February 18, 2019 6:59pm
Nice gif, meeeeep7.

But you would have taken the turret more quickly if you used the auto-attack reset from the Titanic Hydra activation ... maybe Shyvana would have finished with more health than Udyr if you did that? (I'm assuming that your Udyr didn't have TH? Maybe you followed the same build on Udyr, most Shyvana builds work fine on Udyr and vice-versa - though he benefits better than Shyvana from Trinity Force.)
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DragonGod4 | December 15, 2018 11:50am
i like this guide and understand alot. i am a shyvana main that wants to learn more about her and jungling. i want to know about the anti kiting build. i have used it and love it in late games but need to know what i should buy in right order. i hope for a respond.
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SpikeThePike (15) | February 18, 2019 7:08pm
Try in the order it's shown - rush Phantom Dancer as first item (and boots, of course). Then Frozen Mallet. Phantom Dancer is a superb item on Shyvana for the movement speed buff, and it's now just as good or better than before, since Patch 9.3 changes. (Now gives a shield instead of de-buffing your opponent.)
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KajiKumihoAkukei (122) | December 15, 2018 1:43am
Hey @ SpikeThePike,

I really like your guide.
I just read it front to back because I wanted to learn more about Shyvana.
After reading your guide I feel like an expert on her (which I am not of course).
The chapters and lines are written so every player from challenger to bronze V (or is it IV now) can understand them and every player looking to pick up some Shyvana ticks can learn something from this guide.
You keep it interesting to read and the coding is done very clean.

So ... *Tips hat*, kudos to you good sir!

Greetings,

~ Kaji ~
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SpikeThePike (15) | February 18, 2019 7:05pm
Thank you for your comments, I really appreciated them.

I feel the guide is actually way too long - there's plenty of text in here which I wrote because it seemed like a good idea at the time, but never got round to deleting. But yes, hopefully there is something of interest for every player ... if they read it all like you did :)

What pleases me is that this guide has slowly, over seasons 7 and 8, influenced the way a lot of players play Shyvana - maybe even at the highest end, though the pro players would probably not admit to reading any guide. (But it's possible they watch another player play, who watched another player, who watched a guy whose coach read this guide...) Before I wrote this guide, the "meta" on Shyvana was definitely to build her full tank, or bruiser with Trinity Force / The Black Cleaver.
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a1mm | November 26, 2018 3:46pm
Hey, I love the fact you put so much effort into making this guide to help others <3
I just wanted to ask if shyvana is a good champion to play ranked solo/duo for low elo (bronze-gold etc) I'm really struggling to choose which champion i want to use but i feel like shyvana fits my play style. So would you recommend shyvana as a good jungle main?
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Spirit_of_Malaz | November 27, 2018 2:12pm
As OTP Shyvana lingering in S4-5 I can tell you I love play her in this league. She has some counter but she can always come on top even when getting 2-3 kills.
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SenseiWu (1) | November 22, 2018 2:38pm
In the Wit's End detailed description you mentioned that you actually gain 70 MR from it. So if I understand it correct, the MR stolen from the oppenent due to Wit's End Passive is added to your MR?
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Scartung | November 25, 2018 3:57am
I am not spike, but yes that is how the item works, on-hit it reduces the targets Mr by 6 and you gain 6 Mr stacking up to 5 times.
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SenseiWu (1) | November 25, 2018 7:03am
Still thank you for the confirmation :)
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Scartung | November 22, 2018 8:02am
Why the shift towards maxing e second?
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Spirit_of_Malaz | November 21, 2018 8:08am
Hi Spike!
With the new changes and bonuses being independent from secondary tree, would you make any changes to runes? Also new DH is it viable on standard AD Shyv? and is Celerity any good now?
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peruel | October 28, 2018 7:03am
me gustan las builds,ya queria evitar trinidad por su coste,interesante buena guia
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Xxplick | October 9, 2018 3:16am
yo spike you have the most comprehensive guide on shyvana and i have to commend you for that bro .. but whats your rank? you never placed your rank in the guide? i know alot of people place their rank to show they have weight ..you guide is so in dept that i am curious to know your rank ..you know so much about shy and you keep updating which is what i like ..you always keep things current
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Spirit_of_Malaz | November 12, 2018 12:35pm
He answered me below that he is Platinum ;)
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Spirit_of_Malaz | September 11, 2018 7:37am
Hi Spike, I already complemented you on the guide before. I wanted to ask, do you still think TH is the first choice over FM? I'm very low elo so I usually prefer to go for a conservative option but I see also that most discussions on reddit and other site suggest to go for FM as first item after BR, what do you think?
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SpikeThePike (15) | September 18, 2018 6:04am
Be cautious about discussions on Reddit, trolls hang out there. I mean there you have a lot of opinionated people who post, but (usually) no real information or feedback about who they are or their level of knowledge. Reddit is often used for strongly expressed views without detailed data, analysis or evidence to back them up. Remember it's only one guy's viewpoint. Not so different from reading all the New and half-completed guides here at Mobafire...

I've also noticed that typical Reddit posters (on Shyvana Mains) seem totally ignorant of this guide's existence and the detailed Shyvana knowledge it contains.

The choice between TH and FM is covered in some detail in the guide already, but TL;DR it can be like this:
- in solo queue, at low and middle elo (anything less than Platinum) take TH first
- if playing with skilled allies (Platinum+) take FM first
- if playing with friends or in a team, and you are the team's tank take FM first

Explanation: Frozen Mallet works well when you work with an ally, so you can 2v1 somebody very easily because they can't move away and they can't burst you down to 0hp before they will die. Frozen Mallet is not so good in solo fights: although you can keep fighting for longer with FM compared with TH (you hold the enemy in place, and you can take maybe 10% more damage), the enemy can fight for longer too and he can out-damage you.

I play on two accounts, one is Platinum and one is Silver. The main difference I can notice between low elo and high elo games is how quickly your team-mates respond and work with you in 2v1 situations. In Platinum, your team-mates notice and anticipate when there is a chance for a 2v1 coming up, they want it, and when it comes they are quickly with you in the correct position so that your team achieves a kill. In Silver, your team-mates ignore anything which is not their personal immediate objective, I mean your allies will want to keep CSing and stay in their lane even when you ping there is a fight about to happen in River - sometimes they don't even move when you gank their lane (because they are so busy trying to last hit the minions still).

This means at low elo, as a jungler like Shyvana (who doesn't have an easy ganking + CC mechanic) you will be in 1v1 fights more often, and 2v1 fights less often. In 1v1 fights, TH is better.

TH always helps you farm faster, which is important for Shyvana to keep ahead in gold and XP. Importantly, it gives you this advantage as an incomplete item, as soon as you have Tiamat - which you should have at around 14-15 minutes of game time if you started BR + Boots of Speed. In contrast, FM gives no interesting benefits except health, until you have completed the item. So this is another reason why TH is better than FM is a solo queue type of game: it brings more benefits to Shyvana herself, but less to the team as a whole.

Frozen Mallet helps Shyvana disrupt, so that your team-mates can kill. Titanic Hydra helps Shyvana herself be the main damage dealer.

The advice can change in a game where Shyvana is carrying hard for whatever reason (got lucky early, dumb opponents, or smurf account). Then, even in low-elo solo queue, FM can be better before TH though probably I will look to finish the game with both items. Some reasons for this are covered in the guide, but briefly:
- if you are ahead in levels or items, Bloodrazor is enough damage on its own to kill most enemies, and FM makes it harder for them to escape you
- if you are ahead, you want to be "farming" enemy champions more than jungle camps between 10 and 20 minutes, to preserve your lead and set the enemies back even further, maybe force them to start flaming each other or rage-quit - so here it doesn't matter so much that FM takes camps slower and you have no Tiamat
- if you are ahead already and have enough damage to kill, then defences can be more important than buying more damage - this is for two reasons, first you are more scary if all the enemies think you are "unkillable", second your bounty if you do get killed starts to get very high and you don't want to give the enemies that gold! Defences work better (more advantage for the gold spent) if you are ahead because the enemies don't have high damage when they are behind, so buying defences makes you unkillable.
- Frozen Mallet costs less gold than TH but it is bad until it is a completed item - if you are carrying, maybe you can go back with 3100 gold and buy the completed item immediately, for a huge power spike

HTH
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Spirit_of_Malaz | November 12, 2018 12:34pm
Great answer, thanks a lot, now it's definitely clearer why you opt for TH. I have to admit that where I stand now I find it easier to be ahead 1-2 lvls on the enemy jungler and usually prefer to get FM to be more tanky and sticky to the enemy. But you have many good points about TH that I will definitely consider when deciding on which second item to take. Recently (after few losing streak...) I even found safer to go with Resolve secondary, less damage, but I'm more difficult to kill.
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