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tehAsian wrote:
Viola Orpheus' Sona Guide

Cheat Sheet
Oh boy, two of the exact same cheat sheets o_o
Except one has a WotA and one has a Zekes. imo scratch the second one, as WotA is situational and most of the time double WotA comps exist so it's completely useless if your top is Vlad and your mid is Kennen.
Also, imo

Pros and Cons
I don't know about you, but having no mobility against all the other new champions with gap closers seem like a big glaring con to me.
Also, her ultimate isn't great. It's GAME CHANGING
Masteries


Runes

You don't necessarily need mana regen, nor armor, I guess not really this either but you should at least make a mention and write your opinions as to why you should/shouldn't take it.
Summoner Spells

Skills
(overview, putting it here)
imo you can organize this better. You can use [ list ] inside a [ list ] for the different types of Power Cords as to organize this better, or not use [ list ] at all and just indent them or sth.

There's a coding error.
Not sure what you're trying to say here, the bbcoding makes it a bit confusing.
I don't play

Prioritizing Q/W
imo your first paragraph here seems a bit static.
Bot lane doesn't only consist of champions who push, champions who don't, champions who play aggressively, and champions who play passively. I think you could go a bit more in-depth about different situations, such as against different lane types (poke, sustain, kill).
Core Items

(Boots)


Should be 3/5, 1 champion can be a tank, 1 can be APC, and 3 can use auto-attacks.

Or, in my knowledge you should buy it if your main tank has


Too luxury and expensive to buy imho.

A lot of AP Carries don't benefit from this as much as others :p
I guess you should add that it benefits the APCs that actually use spell vamp effectively, like


Partners

Aggressive laner, not passive.

Must be the squishiest bot lane ever.
This section a bit short, get dat information asap :3
VS other Supports

Can be extremely aggressive and dangerous. A good

Sona can take advantage of this lane by poking when

Only 2 supports :l
Gameplay
It's also your job to peel for your carries.
(early game)
What if I was following your cheat sheet and didn't bring CV?
You shouldn't ward the brush in the river, there are a lot more optimal places to ward such as closer to Drag or sometimes the Tri-brush. Also, you should mention something about warding the lane brush.
Relevant:
You need presence in the lane man, you can't be a support that doesn't do anything for your carry except sit in the brush. (I need to bookmark this or sth)
Overall
I kinda liked this guide, but I think there are some spots that could use a bit more work. Your laning section had a lot of relevant, good depth, it's rare to see walls of text (easy to read too) in that area.
+1
edit: Video doesn't work in spoiler wtf.
Well w/e, here it is.

Well, here are my answers then:

Cheat Sheet
Been mainly waiting for someone to point this out. lol.
I could have swore I had Shurelya before T2 boots, lol. Will be fixing it in the next update I do to the guide.
Pros and Cons
I hardly run into the new champions lately (And those that I run into generally suck), so the thought didn't really pop into mind until you brought it up.
Well I didn't want to sound like I was copying the other

Masteries
Will add that in as an optional choice.
Runes
Well simply put, I haven't used this particular rune yet. So I can't really say anything about it. I'll be playing around with it in PBE though, so I can get a somewhat better view on it.
Summoner Spells
Will do so. Any other viable choices for her though?


Skills
Wasn't aware of the [ list ] inside a [ list ], thanks for that.
Does it show like that for you? I was mainly saying that because of her rework, you could quickly use another



Prioritizing Q/W
Will be working on wording and making this chapter better.
Items






Laning Partners
Like I mentioned in the note at the beginning of the chapter, I don't always get the chance to play with a lot of the other missing carries in this chapter (Like

Versus Other Supports
Fixed the


And like I mentioned in the note, I don't run into many supports nowadays (Excluding


Gameplay
I honestly forgot about me mentioning CV a lot in the gameplay chapter. I used to have CV and Exhaust in the cheat sheet, and after a while I changed it to Ex and Flash. And the thought slipped away.
Relevant
That video made me laugh, while giving some good info. Would it be bad if I included it in the guide?
And again, thanks for the review. =)
[quote=Viola Orpheus][quote=tehAsian]
[url=http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/sona-the-marvelous-musician-236918]Viola Orpheus' Sona Guide[/url]
[spoiler]
[b]Cheat Sheet[/b]
Oh boy, two of the exact same cheat sheets o_o
Except one has a WotA and one has a Zekes. imo scratch the second one, as WotA is situational and most of the time double WotA comps exist so it's completely useless if your top is Vlad and your mid is Kennen.
Also, imo [[shurelya's reverie]] before t2 boots.
[b]Pros and Cons[/b]
I don't know about you, but having no mobility against all the other new champions with gap closers seem like a big glaring con to me.
Also, her ultimate isn't great. It's [b][color=red]GAME CHANGING[/b][/color]
[b]Masteries[/b]
[[summoner's insight]] please. Improved [[exhaust]] OP.
[b]Runes[/b]
[[greater seal of avarice]]?
You don't necessarily need mana regen, nor armor, I guess not really this either but you should at least make a mention and write your opinions as to why you should/shouldn't take it.
[b]Summoner Spells[/b]
[[clarity]] is not viable.
[b]Skills[/b]
(overview, putting it here)
imo you can organize this better. You can use [ list ] inside a [ list ] for the different types of Power Cords as to organize this better, or not use [ list ] at all and just indent them or sth.
[[power chord]]
There's a coding error.
[quote]after hitting their carry with her [icon=aura of preserverance]Power Chord, you can quickly dish out another [icon=aura of preserverance]Power Chord on their other damage dealer which would now greatly reduce their overall damage output.[/quote]
Not sure what you're trying to say here, the bbcoding makes it a bit confusing.
I don't play [[sona]], so I'm not sure what to criticise :o Everything else in this section seems solid though.
[b]Prioritizing Q/W[/b]
imo your first paragraph here seems a bit static.
Bot lane doesn't only consist of champions who push, champions who don't, champions who play aggressively, and champions who play passively. I think you could go a bit more in-depth about different situations, such as against different lane types (poke, sustain, kill).
[b]Core Items[/b]
[[oracle's elixir]] is core if you ask me.
(Boots)
[[boots of mobility]]?
[[ninja tabi]]
Should be 3/5, 1 champion can be a tank, 1 can be APC, and 3 can use auto-attacks.
[[locket of the iron solari]]
Or, in my knowledge you should buy it if your main tank has [[randuin's omen]]. You shouldn't really be running into RO active range, you should be beside your carry protecting him/her.
[[banshee's veil]]
Too luxury and expensive to buy imho.
[[will of the ancients]]
A lot of AP Carries don't benefit from this as much as others :p
I guess you should add that it benefits the APCs that actually use spell vamp effectively, like [[cassiopeia]], [[vladimir]], etc.
[b]Partners[/b]
[[ashe]]
Aggressive laner, not passive.
[[twitch]]
Must be the squishiest bot lane ever.
This section a bit short, get dat information asap :3
[b]VS other Supports[/b]
[[janna]]
Can be extremely aggressive and dangerous. A good [[janna]] will use spare time to harass you with her free BF Sword, and there's not much you can do about it. She'll also set up lots of kills with her strong CC.
Sona can take advantage of this lane by poking when [[janna]]'s shield is on CD, as she has no natural sustain except the shield.
Only 2 supports :l
[b]Gameplay[/b]
It's also your job to peel for your carries.
(early game)
What if I was following your cheat sheet and didn't bring CV?
[quote]As the support, focus on letting your carry net all of the creep score and keeping him/her in top form with your heals and safe by warding the brush in the river.[/quote]
You shouldn't ward the brush in the river, there are a lot more optimal places to ward such as closer to Drag or sometimes the Tri-brush. Also, you should mention something about warding the lane brush.
Relevant:
[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6bWcmK-w_M]You need presence in the lane man, you can't be a support that doesn't do anything for your carry except sit in the brush.[/url] (I need to bookmark this or sth)
[b]Overall[/b]
I kinda liked this guide, but I think there are some spots that could use a bit more work. Your laning section had a lot of relevant, good depth, it's rare to see walls of text (easy to read too) in that area.
[color=#00ff00]+1[/color][/spoiler]
edit: Video doesn't work in spoiler wtf.
Well w/e, here it is.
[spoiler][embed=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6bWcmK-w_M][/spoiler]
[/quote]
Well, here are my answers then:
[spoiler]
[b]Cheat Sheet[/b]
Been mainly waiting for someone to point this out. lol.
I could have swore I had Shurelya before T2 boots, lol. Will be fixing it in the next update I do to the guide.
[b]Pros and Cons[/b]
I hardly run into the new champions lately (And those that I run into generally suck), so the thought didn't really pop into mind until you brought it up.
Well I didn't want to sound like I was copying the other [[Sona]] guides since most of them also say that her ult is game changing.
[b]Masteries[/b]
Will add that in as an optional choice.
[b]Runes[/b]
Well simply put, I haven't used this particular rune yet. So I can't really say anything about it. I'll be playing around with it in PBE though, so I can get a somewhat better view on it.
[b]Summoner Spells[/b]
Will do so. Any other viable choices for her though? [[Clarity]] was the last one that came to mind that is viable for her besides [[Cleanse]].
[b]Skills[/b]
Wasn't aware of the [ list ] inside a [ list ], thanks for that.
Does it show like that for you? I was mainly saying that because of her rework, you could quickly use another [[Power Chord]] after you had just shot one. In this case I refer the [[Aria of Perseverance]] version of [[Power Chord]].
[b]Prioritizing Q/W[/b]
Will be working on wording and making this chapter better.
[b]Items[/b]
[[Oracle's Elixir]] - Will think about this hard.
[[Boots of Mobility]] - I'm honestly not sure what to say about these boots. I've never built them on her and don't really think the stats really make that much of a difference since her E is already a speed boost in itself.
[[Ninja Tabi]] - Fixed.
[[Locket of the Iron Solari]] - I believe I mentioned this in one of the opening paragraphs.
[[Banshee's Veil]] - Well, it is situational isn't it?
[[Will of the Ancients]] - Will add that info.
[b]Laning Partners[/b]
Like I mentioned in the note at the beginning of the chapter, I don't always get the chance to play with a lot of the other missing carries in this chapter (Like [[Draven]]). So this chapter might take a while to finish.
[b]Versus Other Supports[/b]
Fixed the [[Janna]] section. I haven't run into [[Janna]]s that we didn't steamroll over yet, so I wasn't exactly sure what to say.
And like I mentioned in the note, I don't run into many supports nowadays (Excluding [[Janna]] and [[Soraka]]). And I could really use some help here.
[b]Gameplay[/b]
I honestly forgot about me mentioning CV a lot in the gameplay chapter. I used to have CV and Exhaust in the cheat sheet, and after a while I changed it to Ex and Flash. And the thought slipped away.
[b]Relevant[/b]
That video made me laugh, while giving some good info. Would it be bad if I included it in the guide?[/spoiler]
And again, thanks for the review. =)[/quote]
^I have a response + half-typed review at home, gonna finish and post later.
As for now:
Sujing's Maokai Guide
Spoiler: Click to view
Cheat Sheet
Alright, there are a few things that I disagree with here.
Greater Mark of Magic Penetration -
Greater Mark of Attack Speed are better for clearing on
Maokai, 10 mpen won't make a difference as opposed to a bit of extra AS. Also, the AS will let you apply your passive faster in fights.
And imo because
Maokai excels at ganks,
Greater Quintessence of Movement Speed >
Greater Quintessence of Ability Power.
Rod of Ages - TOO EXPENSIVE for a jungle build. WAY too expensive. I mean, you have double gp5 and all, but I can guarantee other items are better choices earlier, and it's not worth it later on.
Regrowth Pendant - TBH, when I see a jungle
Maokai and I'm jungling on the other team (I usually play
Lee Sin/
Shyvana/
Shaco, strong counterjungler types), I finish Blue and run straight for his Red. When you have to duel with another jungler, Regrowth won't do anything for you. You can't run (you didn't start boots), you can't trade (no resistances), you can't stall for teammates (again, you aren't tanky yet).
If you started
Boots, you can gank more efficiently, disengage easier, and get to places faster. If you started
Cloth Armor you have better sustain and can survive for longer durations. Is getting an early Philo really that important?
Now, for your item sequence, there's one thing you should know about ganking junglers.
You gotta go balls deep, and play SUPER AGGRESSIVE.
This means:
Start
Boots > Get off a successful gank > RUSH
Mobility Boots +
Oracle's Elixir. I can guarantee if you try it, you'll find a huge difference in ganking power and the flow of the game will be in your favor. A Tree coming out of the jungle at level 3 with 450 MS is SUPER scary.
Also,
Shurelya's Battlesong should take priority over RoA and Aegis as a jungler, that **** is OP for ganks.
IMO your skill sequence should be R > Q > W > E, and shouldn't alternate points between W and E. A second point in E seems okay, I guess. I also recommend W at level 3, so you can gank earlier and apply your passive in the jungle more often.
Runes
Greater Mark of Magic Penetration
Neutral monsters don't have MR, so there won't be a difference in damage :l
WHY NOT RECOMMEND MS QUINTS?!?!?!
Masteries
Everything seems a bit short, but hey, it's masteries :p
Indomitable
Um, not really. Care to revise/reword?
Swiftness
Then why not
Greater Quintessence of Movement Speed? D:
Ability Sequence
There IS a problem. You don't want extra damage, you're a tank. You want disruption. Putting points into TA gives you disruption, putting points into Saplings doesn't.
Also, no tips and tricks for skills? I can think of a lot right off the top of my head, and I don't even main
Maokai.
Skill Usage for Ganks
Kind of wrong.
Should be
Twisted Advance >
Sapling Toss (while they're snared, so it lands and explodes on them) > arcane smash (CC). Your ultimate is useless and a waste of mana if they decide not to hit you, which happens most of the time.
If getting counterganked, lay your ult down ASAP.
Items
Should have
Cloth Armor and
Boots as optional starting items.
Alright, I just read part of it, and I'm not going to read the rest. You're basically explaining your cheat sheet here, which is actually suboptimal for a jungler like
Maokai. You also don't have a core item section.
And if you ask me,
Frozen Heart + shureyla's reverie +
Aegis of the Legion are all core on jungle tanks.
Situational Items
Nothing really wrong here.
Oracle's Elixir is core. You're a ganking jungler. Vision partially shuts you down.
Jungling
Don't start Blue buff...
Better route would be:
1. Wraiths, plant 2 saplings at 1:06, use 3rd sapling right when they spawn.
2. Rush to Blue Buff, get a pull
3. Wolves
4. Wraiths (should have respawned)
5. Red (
Smite should be up)
No mention of level 2 ganks?
Counter Jungling
It's actually harder. Most junglers don't donate their red until mid-late game, while after the first Blue, it's almost always given to the mid laner. Going in without 1 or 2 teammates will often get you killed.
You're also able to get a heavy leash at Blue, save
Smite, and run over and use
Smite on their buff to take it earlier and more efficiently.
After Team Fighting
Alright, you give us a list of scenarios, but which takes priority over the other?
Overall, after reading this guide, it doesn't show ample knowledge for me to upvote, but it's definitely good enough to stop me from downvoting. No vote.
As for now:
Sujing's Maokai Guide

Cheat Sheet
Alright, there are a few things that I disagree with here.



And imo because









If you started


Now, for your item sequence, there's one thing you should know about ganking junglers.
You gotta go balls deep, and play SUPER AGGRESSIVE.
This means:
Start



Also,

IMO your skill sequence should be R > Q > W > E, and shouldn't alternate points between W and E. A second point in E seems okay, I guess. I also recommend W at level 3, so you can gank earlier and apply your passive in the jungle more often.
Runes

Quoted:
In fact, it allows your spells do more damage to the neutral monsters as well as to your enemy.
Neutral monsters don't have MR, so there won't be a difference in damage :l
WHY NOT RECOMMEND MS QUINTS?!?!?!
Masteries
Everything seems a bit short, but hey, it's masteries :p

Quoted:
- Less damage afflicted towards you means you can safely gank after jungling.
Um, not really. Care to revise/reword?

Quoted:
- Movement speed is very important for
Maokai.

Then why not

Ability Sequence
Quoted:
I would put a point in
Sapling Toss at level 12 instead of
Twisted Advance because there's nothing wrong with wanting the extra damage it offers. Still,
Twisted Advance will be maxed before your
Sapling Toss.




There IS a problem. You don't want extra damage, you're a tank. You want disruption. Putting points into TA gives you disruption, putting points into Saplings doesn't.
Also, no tips and tricks for skills? I can think of a lot right off the top of my head, and I don't even main

Skill Usage for Ganks
Kind of wrong.
Should be


If getting counterganked, lay your ult down ASAP.
Items
Should have


Alright, I just read part of it, and I'm not going to read the rest. You're basically explaining your cheat sheet here, which is actually suboptimal for a jungler like

And if you ask me,


Situational Items
Nothing really wrong here.

Jungling
Don't start Blue buff...
Better route would be:
1. Wraiths, plant 2 saplings at 1:06, use 3rd sapling right when they spawn.
2. Rush to Blue Buff, get a pull
3. Wolves
4. Wraiths (should have respawned)
5. Red (

No mention of level 2 ganks?
Counter Jungling
Quoted:
For me, I really like taking Ancient Golem because it is easier than taking Lizard Elder. Whether you are on the blue team or the purple team, the blue buff is always easier and much more safer to steal.
It's actually harder. Most junglers don't donate their red until mid-late game, while after the first Blue, it's almost always given to the mid laner. Going in without 1 or 2 teammates will often get you killed.
You're also able to get a heavy leash at Blue, save


After Team Fighting
Alright, you give us a list of scenarios, but which takes priority over the other?
Overall, after reading this guide, it doesn't show ample knowledge for me to upvote, but it's definitely good enough to stop me from downvoting. No vote.
[quote=tehAsian]^I have a response + half-typed review at home, gonna finish and post later.
As for now:
[url=http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/maokai-jungling-with-the-tree-186254]Sujing's Maokai Guide[/url]
[spoiler]
[b]Cheat Sheet[/b]
Alright, there are a few things that I disagree with here.
[[greater mark of insight]] - [[greater mark of alacrity]] are better for clearing on [[maokai]], 10 mpen won't make a difference as opposed to a bit of extra AS. Also, the AS will let you apply your passive faster in fights.
And imo because [[maokai]] excels at ganks, [[greater quintessence of swiftness]] > [[greater quintessence of potency]].
[[rod of ages]] - TOO EXPENSIVE for a jungle build. WAY too expensive. I mean, you have double gp5 and all, but I can guarantee other items are better choices earlier, and it's not worth it later on.
[[regrowth pendant]] - TBH, when I see a jungle [[maokai]] and I'm jungling on the other team (I usually play [[lee sin]]/[[shyvana]]/[[shaco]], strong counterjungler types), I finish Blue and run straight for his Red. When you have to duel with another jungler, Regrowth won't do anything for you. You can't run (you didn't start boots), you can't trade (no resistances), you can't stall for teammates (again, you aren't tanky yet).
If you started [[boots of speed]], you can gank more efficiently, disengage easier, and get to places faster. If you started [[cloth armor]] you have better sustain and can survive for longer durations. Is getting an early Philo [i]really[/i] that important?
Now, for your item sequence, there's one thing you should know about ganking junglers.
[b][color=red]You gotta go balls deep, and play SUPER AGGRESSIVE.[/color][/b]
This means:
Start [[boots of speed]] > Get off a successful gank > RUSH [[boots of mobility]] + [[oracle's elixir]]. I can guarantee if you try it, you'll find a huge difference in ganking power and the flow of the game will be in your favor. A Tree coming out of the jungle at level 3 with 450 MS is SUPER scary.
Also, [[shurelya's reverie]] should take priority over RoA and Aegis as a jungler, that shit is OP for ganks.
IMO your skill sequence should be R > Q > W > E, and shouldn't alternate points between W and E. A second point in E seems okay, I guess. I also recommend W at level 3, so you can gank earlier and apply your passive in the jungle more often.
[b]Runes[/b]
[[greater mark of insight]]
[quote]In fact, it allows your spells do more damage to the neutral monsters as well as to your enemy. [/quote]
Neutral monsters don't have MR, so there won't be a difference in damage :l
WHY NOT RECOMMEND MS QUINTS?!?!?!
[b]Masteries[/b]
Everything seems a bit short, but hey, it's masteries :p
[[indomitable]]
[quote]- Less damage afflicted towards you means you can safely gank after jungling. [/quote]
Um, not really. Care to revise/reword?
[[swiftness]]
[quote]- Movement speed is very important for [[Maokai]].[/quote]
Then why not [[greater quintessence of swiftness]]? D:
[b]Ability Sequence[/b]
[quote]I would put a point in [[Sapling Toss]] at level 12 instead of [[Twisted Advance]] because there's nothing wrong with wanting the extra damage it offers. Still, [[Twisted Advance]] will be maxed before your [[Sapling Toss]].[/quote]
There IS a problem. You don't want extra damage, you're a tank. You want disruption. Putting points into TA gives you disruption, putting points into Saplings doesn't.
Also, no tips and tricks for skills? I can think of a lot right off the top of my head, and I don't even main [[maokai]].
[b]Skill Usage for Ganks[/b]
Kind of wrong.
Should be [[twisted advance]] > [[sapling toss]] (while they're snared, so it lands and explodes on them) > [[arcane smash]] (CC). Your ultimate is useless and a waste of mana if they decide not to hit you, which happens most of the time.
If getting counterganked, lay your ult down ASAP.
[b]Items[/b]
Should have [[cloth armor]] and [[boots of speed]] as optional starting items.
Alright, I just read part of it, and I'm not going to read the rest. You're basically explaining your cheat sheet here, which is actually suboptimal for a jungler like [[maokai]]. You also don't have a core item section.
And if you ask me, [[frozen heart]] + [[shureyla's reverie]] + [[aegis of the legion]] are all core on jungle tanks.
[b]Situational Items[/b]
Nothing really wrong here.
[[oracle's elixir]] is core. You're a ganking jungler. Vision partially shuts you down.
[b]Jungling[/b]
Don't start Blue buff...
Better route would be:
1. Wraiths, plant 2 saplings at 1:06, use 3rd sapling right when they spawn.
2. Rush to Blue Buff, get a pull
3. Wolves
4. Wraiths (should have respawned)
5. Red ([[smite]] should be up)
No mention of level 2 ganks?
[b]Counter Jungling[/b]
[quote]For me, I really like taking Ancient Golem because it is easier than taking Lizard Elder. Whether you are on the blue team or the purple team, the blue buff is always easier and much more safer to steal.[/quote]
It's actually harder. Most junglers don't donate their red until mid-late game, while after the first Blue, it's almost always given to the mid laner. Going in without 1 or 2 teammates will often get you killed.
You're also able to get a heavy leash at Blue, save [[smite]], and run over and use [[smite]] on their buff to take it earlier and more efficiently.
[b]After Team Fighting[/b]
Alright, you give us a list of scenarios, but which takes priority over the other?
-------------
Overall, after reading this guide, it doesn't show ample knowledge for me to upvote, but it's definitely good enough to stop me from downvoting. No vote.[/spoiler][/quote]
Please check out my
Renekton guide :)
http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/renekton-territorial-agressiveness-builds-update-249445

http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/renekton-territorial-agressiveness-builds-update-249445
[quote=MejickPuf]Please check out my [[renekton]] guide :)
http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/renekton-territorial-agressiveness-builds-update-249445[/quote]
@ Viola NP :)
@Viola
@Masteries - derp, I think I meant
Summoner's Wrath
xP
@Oracles - should be core, unless you're hardcore feeding :l Denying vision op.
@Boots of Mobies - Actually, scratch that, should be used if you're ward clearing a lot, but actually now that I think about it other boots are better, aka Tabi, Mercs, CDR.
@Banshees - It's 3000 gold for zero supportive stats o_o First off, I don't ever think a support will have that much free money (unless you're like me playing
Soraka, KSing everyone in teamfights). Second, using BV instead of say Locket, Randuins, Zekes, etc really only benefits yourself, something you probably shouldn't be doing. You're there to support, not be protected. If you have to die for your carry, die for him.
I don't think it's bad to include the video in the guide, it's youtube after all :P
But imo don't just add it in, watch it a few times, learn from it, and teach it to others.
Oh boy, a glass cannon Fiora guide... -________- I am disappoint. Yes I play(ed) Fiora too, so guess what? You get a raging post of what you should/shouldn't be doing! :D
PepsiM4A1's Fiora Guide
Spoiler: Click to view
Cheat Sheet
asldfjhsdfkjashflkjsdhflkasjhf glass cannon melees suck
Fromal + Mercs isn't enough for defensive items
Honestly going Wriggles > t2 boots > offensive items > GA is a lot better than what you have atm.
(Lane)
Should always start boots, cloth 5 doesn't help you against ganks in top at all. Fiora has no escapes.
Why delay BT for a Fromal? Either go Phage > fromal or phage > BT. For now, that BF is just...there...
If you're going BT/PD, why not go for IE for dem CRITS?
Before PD you have in your inventory...
That's 7 items. Check again.
In masteries, WHY NOT
Veteran's Scars
?!?!? Or even worse, you go glass cannon at top. Fiora is auto-attack heavy, you fight near minions and I guarantee you will lose every trade. 9/21/0 is almost always better.
(Jungle)
Vamp scepter start sucks. Boots for the red buff ganks, or cloth armor for better dueling and sustain. Vamp scepter gives neither ganking power nor the sustain/dueling. It's also very risky.
Zero gp5 in the jungle, and your total build cost amounts to...about 20000 gold. Unless you're INSANELY FED up the *** in a 75 minute game there is no way in hell you're getting that kind of money. Oh yeah, it's glass cannon, with zero utility to fall back into if you aren't 200/0 by 20 minutes in.
Also, no
Smite mastery or
Bladed Armor
.
Champion Spotlight
I'm going to be blunt: yours aren't any better.
Pros and Cons
Fiora isn't a great pusher. You know who is a great pusher?
Cho'Gath. Compare the two, and you will find out
Fiora SUCKS at pushing. Towers, maybe, but pushing generally refers to minion waves.
Skills
Duelist
Nope, the passive is one of the worst passives in the game. If someone deals a lot of damage, it isn't likely that you'll heal it back, because they're probably going to kill you. 8 health over 6 seconds at level 1 is NOTHING.
Lunge
You can't
Lunge to wards.
Ever tried maxing
Lunge first? It does a TON of burst damage, and allows you to stick very well with E activated. Using it to harass/burst is VERY useful.
Blade Waltz
TBH quite a bit of champions can escape.
Masteries
Alright, you give short explanations, but no options? Considering that you're going top, 9/21/0 SHOULD be a more optimal choice, but you fail to list it as even an option?
Summoner Spells
No
Cleanse?
Ghost is useless if they have a gap closer? I'm pretty sure
Ghost > gap closers if you're being chased over a long distance.
Exhaust doesn't reduce AD, it reduces damage dealt.
Starting Items
Don't start
Doran's Blade.
Don't start
Vampiric Scepter.
Cloth Armor is borderline viable, not just if you're against an AD top, but if you need to trade frequently, ie vs
Riven.
If you start boots, you can also build
Ninja Tabi faster, which also helps against AD tops. Why isn't this an option against AD tops?
Early Items
Ninja Tabi vs AD,
Mercury's Treads vs AP or if you're worried about CC. Mercs are useless if their jungler is
Wukong and their top is, say, another
Fiora.
Wriggle's Lantern
...are you serious?
Also, not buying Dorans are a mistake.
Mid Game Items
Bloodthirster
So you stay in lane with 200 hp and ult down, against a full health
Malphite with ult up and 200 armor...?
B. F. Sword
Here you're assuming that you'll win every teamfight. Not realistic.
Late Game
IDK, buying PD and not IE seems like a huge mistake. There's something called synergy..
Situational
Thornmail
If you can't win fights with a
Randuin's Omen +
Frozen Heart, THEN buy this. Otherwise, it's bad.
Speaking of
Randuin's Omen, where is it?
Atma's Impaler isn't viable anymore.
Going Solo Top
Playing against good duo tops, aka people who know how to duo top without being troll, means they will freeze lane and zone you, not always over-extend.
No information on how to trade, zone, harass, etc.
Jungling
Literally no information, and a better route would be wolves > blue > wraiths > wolves > red. Also,
Fiora is a slow jungler,
Burst of Speed or not.
Warding
Tri-brush? Lane brush? Baron? River? etc etc etc. You have optional wards that doesn't help you, but not the important ones that do?
Matchups
Akali
I'd change the difficulty to hard. The reason she was relatively easy was because she was reliant on AAs to proc her Q, which is now unnecessary with E. Now, she can burst you in her shroud and theres not much you can do about it.
Darius
Funny, because
Fiora counters
Darius if you know the matchup. Your passive mitigates his, your W stops his W, your R stops his R.
Kayle
Why isn't this hard?
Kayle is able to outdamage literally every top laner at level 2, has a range advantage, invulnerablity, and pretty much does what you do, except again she's RANGED. You say if she uses
Righteous Fury, you
Lunge at her...but
Lunge has an 18 second CD, what will you do if you already used it? What will you do if the
Kayle is competent, and knows how to kite?
Lee Sin
Counters
Fiora.
Tempest / Cripple makes you useless, he has better sustain, and he has higher burst than you at earlier levels.
Too lazy to read all of them, but it doesn't seem that you can grasp the capabilities of a lot of solo top champions.
Ganking
No such thing as ninja ganking, what you basically explained was a suboptimal river gank, aka coming in, blowing your load, and hoping they'll die.
Teamfights
Sure.
Focus should be ADC > APC > Support > Bruiser/offtank > tank.
Don't take pictures without permission either. Either use your own, or ask for them.
Why max Lunge last
Nonono, the base damage and ratio is surprisingly high, and you should max it first against squishies.
Being able to burst people for a large amount of their health would be more beneficial than parrying for a small amount of damage sometimes.
Also, you explain to max
Lunge last...but no explanations on times where you'd want E over W.
What do I think overall?
1. You need more experience in general
2. Guide is bad because it only really works against very low levels of play, AKA glass cannon
Close to -1, but not downvoting because I don't feel like it.

@Masteries - derp, I think I meant

@Oracles - should be core, unless you're hardcore feeding :l Denying vision op.
@Boots of Mobies - Actually, scratch that, should be used if you're ward clearing a lot, but actually now that I think about it other boots are better, aka Tabi, Mercs, CDR.
@Banshees - It's 3000 gold for zero supportive stats o_o First off, I don't ever think a support will have that much free money (unless you're like me playing

I don't think it's bad to include the video in the guide, it's youtube after all :P
But imo don't just add it in, watch it a few times, learn from it, and teach it to others.
Oh boy, a glass cannon Fiora guide... -________- I am disappoint. Yes I play(ed) Fiora too, so guess what? You get a raging post of what you should/shouldn't be doing! :D
PepsiM4A1's Fiora Guide

Cheat Sheet
asldfjhsdfkjashflkjsdhflkasjhf glass cannon melees suck
Fromal + Mercs isn't enough for defensive items
Honestly going Wriggles > t2 boots > offensive items > GA is a lot better than what you have atm.
(Lane)
Should always start boots, cloth 5 doesn't help you against ganks in top at all. Fiora has no escapes.
Why delay BT for a Fromal? Either go Phage > fromal or phage > BT. For now, that BF is just...there...
If you're going BT/PD, why not go for IE for dem CRITS?
Before PD you have in your inventory...







That's 7 items. Check again.
In masteries, WHY NOT

(Jungle)
Vamp scepter start sucks. Boots for the red buff ganks, or cloth armor for better dueling and sustain. Vamp scepter gives neither ganking power nor the sustain/dueling. It's also very risky.
Zero gp5 in the jungle, and your total build cost amounts to...about 20000 gold. Unless you're INSANELY FED up the *** in a 75 minute game there is no way in hell you're getting that kind of money. Oh yeah, it's glass cannon, with zero utility to fall back into if you aren't 200/0 by 20 minutes in.
Also, no


Champion Spotlight
Quoted:
Never watch what items he recommends since they aren't very good.
I'm going to be blunt: yours aren't any better.
Pros and Cons



Skills

Quoted:
This is a very usefull passive since if you go top against someone that deals alot of damage, you can regenerate by hitting the minions.
Nope, the passive is one of the worst passives in the game. If someone deals a lot of damage, it isn't likely that you'll heal it back, because they're probably going to kill you. 8 health over 6 seconds at level 1 is NOTHING.

Quoted:
When you are chased in the jungle, drop a ward where some mobs are, then
Lunge to it to escape from your chaser.

You can't

Quoted:
Never use
Lunge two times in a row to harras your enemy, use it when the enemy tries to run away.

Ever tried maxing


Quoted:
If your enemy is low HP when you
Blade Waltz him,
Ignite him as well and he will have no chance to escape.


TBH quite a bit of champions can escape.
Masteries
Alright, you give short explanations, but no options? Considering that you're going top, 9/21/0 SHOULD be a more optimal choice, but you fail to list it as even an option?
Summoner Spells
No




Starting Items
Don't start

Don't start



If you start boots, you can also build

Early Items





Quoted:
You won't need to buy a ward anymore.
...are you serious?
Also, not buying Dorans are a mistake.
Mid Game Items

Quoted:
You won't really need to recall after this purchase,just if you want to buy items.
So you stay in lane with 200 hp and ult down, against a full health


Here you're assuming that you'll win every teamfight. Not realistic.
Late Game
IDK, buying PD and not IE seems like a huge mistake. There's something called synergy..
Situational

If you can't win fights with a


Speaking of


Going Solo Top
Quoted:
Call your jungler for ganks since they will always over-extend.
Playing against good duo tops, aka people who know how to duo top without being troll, means they will freeze lane and zone you, not always over-extend.
No information on how to trade, zone, harass, etc.
Jungling
Literally no information, and a better route would be wolves > blue > wraiths > wolves > red. Also,


Warding
Tri-brush? Lane brush? Baron? River? etc etc etc. You have optional wards that doesn't help you, but not the important ones that do?
Matchups

I'd change the difficulty to hard. The reason she was relatively easy was because she was reliant on AAs to proc her Q, which is now unnecessary with E. Now, she can burst you in her shroud and theres not much you can do about it.

Funny, because



Why isn't this hard?






Counters


Too lazy to read all of them, but it doesn't seem that you can grasp the capabilities of a lot of solo top champions.
Ganking
No such thing as ninja ganking, what you basically explained was a suboptimal river gank, aka coming in, blowing your load, and hoping they'll die.
Teamfights
Quoted:
Since this build provides you a little bit tankyness
Sure.
Focus should be ADC > APC > Support > Bruiser/offtank > tank.
Don't take pictures without permission either. Either use your own, or ask for them.
Why max Lunge last
Nonono, the base damage and ratio is surprisingly high, and you should max it first against squishies.
Being able to burst people for a large amount of their health would be more beneficial than parrying for a small amount of damage sometimes.
Also, you explain to max

What do I think overall?
1. You need more experience in general
2. Guide is bad because it only really works against very low levels of play, AKA glass cannon
Close to -1, but not downvoting because I don't feel like it.
[quote=tehAsian]@ Viola NP :)
[spoiler=@Viola]
@Masteries - derp, I think I meant [[summoner's wrath]] xP
@Oracles - should be core, unless you're hardcore feeding :l Denying vision op.
@Boots of Mobies - Actually, scratch that, should be used if you're ward clearing a lot, but actually now that I think about it other boots are better, aka Tabi, Mercs, CDR.
@Banshees - It's 3000 gold for zero supportive stats o_o First off, I don't ever think a support will have that much free money (unless you're like me playing [[soraka]], KSing everyone in teamfights). Second, using BV instead of say Locket, Randuins, Zekes, etc really only benefits yourself, something you probably shouldn't be doing. You're there to support, not be protected. If you have to die for your carry, die for him.
I don't think it's bad to include the video in the guide, it's youtube after all :P
But imo don't just add it in, watch it a few times, learn from it, and teach it to others. [/spoiler]
-------------------
Oh boy, a glass cannon Fiora guide... -________- I am disappoint. Yes I play(ed) Fiora too, so guess what? You get a raging post of what you should/shouldn't be doing! :D
[url=http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/fiora-drawing-pretty-pictures-238485]PepsiM4A1's Fiora Guide[/url]
[spoiler]
[b]Cheat Sheet[/b]
asldfjhsdfkjashflkjsdhflkasjhf glass cannon melees suck
Fromal + Mercs isn't enough for defensive items
Honestly going Wriggles > t2 boots > offensive items > GA is a lot better than what you have atm.
(Lane)
Should always start boots, cloth 5 doesn't help you against ganks in top at all. Fiora has no escapes.
Why delay BT for a Fromal? Either go Phage > fromal or phage > BT. For now, that BF is just...[i]there...[/i]
If you're going BT/PD, why not go for IE for dem CRITS?
Before PD you have in your inventory...
[icon=wriggle's lantern][icon=mercury's treads][icon=frozen mallet][icon=the bloodthirster][icon=the black cleaver][icon=zeal][icon=b. f. sword]
That's 7 items. Check again.
In masteries, WHY NOT [[veteran's scars]]?!?!? Or even worse, you go glass cannon at top. Fiora is auto-attack heavy, you fight near minions and I guarantee you will lose every trade. 9/21/0 is almost always better.
(Jungle)
Vamp scepter start sucks. Boots for the red buff ganks, or cloth armor for better dueling and sustain. Vamp scepter gives neither ganking power nor the sustain/dueling. It's also very risky.
Zero gp5 in the jungle, and your total build cost amounts to...about 20000 gold. Unless you're INSANELY FED up the ASS in a 75 minute game there is no way in hell you're getting that kind of money. Oh yeah, it's glass cannon, with zero utility to fall back into if you aren't 200/0 by 20 minutes in.
Also, no [[smite]] mastery or [[bladed armor]].
[b]Champion Spotlight[/b]
[quote]Never watch what items he recommends since they aren't very good.[/quote]
I'm going to be blunt: yours aren't any better.
[b]Pros and Cons[/b]
[[fiora]] isn't a great pusher. You know who is a great pusher? [[cho'gath]]. Compare the two, and you will find out [[fiora]] SUCKS at pushing. Towers, maybe, but pushing generally refers to minion waves.
[b]Skills[/b]
[[duelist]]
[quote]This is a very usefull passive since if you go top against someone that deals alot of damage, you can regenerate by hitting the minions.[/quote]
Nope, the passive is one of the worst passives in the game. If someone deals a lot of damage, it isn't likely that you'll heal it back, because they're probably going to kill you. 8 health over 6 seconds at level 1 is NOTHING.
[[lunge]]
[quote]When you are chased in the jungle, drop a ward where some mobs are, then [[Lunge]] to it to escape from your chaser. [/quote]
You can't [[lunge]] to wards.
[quote]Never use [[Lunge]] two times in a row to harras your enemy, use it when the enemy tries to run away.[/quote]
Ever tried maxing [[lunge]] first? It does a TON of burst damage, and allows you to stick very well with E activated. Using it to harass/burst is VERY useful.
[[blade waltz]]
[quote]If your enemy is low HP when you [[Blade Waltz]] him, [[Ignite]] him as well and he will have no chance to escape.[/quote]
TBH quite a bit of champions can escape.
[b]Masteries[/b]
Alright, you give short explanations, but no options? Considering that you're going top, 9/21/0 SHOULD be a more optimal choice, but you fail to list it as even an option?
[b]Summoner Spells[/b]
No [[cleanse]]?
[[ghost]] is useless if they have a gap closer? I'm pretty sure [[ghost]] > gap closers if you're being chased over a long distance.
[[exhaust]] doesn't reduce AD, it reduces damage dealt.
[b]Starting Items[/b]
Don't start [[doran's blade]].
Don't start [[vampiric scepter]].
[[cloth armor]] is borderline viable, not just if you're against an AD top, but if you need to trade frequently, ie vs [[riven]].
If you start boots, you can also build [[ninja tabi]] faster, which also helps against AD tops. Why isn't this an option against AD tops?
[b]Early Items[/b]
[[ninja tabi]] vs AD, [[mercury's treads]] vs AP or if you're worried about CC. Mercs are useless if their jungler is [[wukong]] and their top is, say, another [[fiora]].
[[wriggle's lantern]]
[quote]You won't need to buy a ward anymore.[/quote]
...are you serious?
Also, not buying Dorans are a mistake.
[b]Mid Game Items[/b]
[[the bloodthirster]]
[quote]You won't really need to recall after this purchase,just if you want to buy items.[/quote]
So you stay in lane with 200 hp and ult down, against a full health [[malphite]] with ult up and 200 armor...?
[[b. f. sword]]
Here you're assuming that you'll win every teamfight. Not realistic.
[b]Late Game[/b]
IDK, buying PD and not IE seems like a huge mistake. There's something called synergy..
[b]Situational[/b]
[[thornmail]]
If you can't win fights with a [[randuin's omen]] + [[frozen heart]], THEN buy this. Otherwise, it's bad.
Speaking of [[randuin's omen]], where is it?
[[atma's impaler]] isn't viable anymore.
[b]Going Solo Top[/b]
[quote]Call your jungler for ganks since they will always over-extend.[/quote]
Playing against good duo tops, aka people who know how to duo top without being troll, means they will freeze lane and zone you, not always over-extend.
No information on how to trade, zone, harass, etc.
[b]Jungling[/b]
Literally no information, and a better route would be wolves > blue > wraiths > wolves > red. Also, [[fiora]] is a slow jungler, [[burst of speed]] or not.
[b]Warding[/b]
Tri-brush? Lane brush? Baron? River? etc etc etc. You have optional wards that doesn't help you, but not the important ones that do?
[b]Matchups[/b]
[[akali]]
I'd change the difficulty to hard. The reason she was relatively easy was because she was reliant on AAs to proc her Q, which is now unnecessary with E. Now, she can burst you in her shroud and theres not much you can do about it.
[[darius]]
Funny, because [[fiora]] counters [[darius]] if you know the matchup. Your passive mitigates his, your W stops his W, your R stops his R.
[[kayle]]
Why isn't this hard?
[[kayle]] is able to outdamage literally every top laner at level 2, has a range advantage, invulnerablity, and pretty much does what you do, except again she's RANGED. You say if she uses [[righteous fury]], you [[lunge]] at her...but [[lunge]] has an 18 second CD, what will you do if you already used it? What will you do if the [[kayle]] is competent, and knows how to kite?
[[lee sin]]
Counters [[fiora]]. [[tempest / cripple]] makes you useless, he has better sustain, and he has higher burst than you at earlier levels.
Too lazy to read all of them, but it doesn't seem that you can grasp the capabilities of a lot of solo top champions.
[b]Ganking[/b]
No such thing as ninja ganking, what you basically explained was a suboptimal river gank, aka coming in, blowing your load, and hoping they'll die.
[b]Teamfights[/b]
[quote]Since this build provides you a little bit tankyness[/quote]
Sure.
Focus should be ADC > APC > Support > Bruiser/offtank > tank.
Don't take pictures without permission either. Either use your own, or ask for them.
[b]Why max Lunge last[/b]
Nonono, the base damage and ratio is surprisingly high, and you should max it first against squishies.
Being able to burst people for a large amount of their health would be more beneficial than parrying for a small amount of damage sometimes.
Also, you explain to max [[lunge]] last...but no explanations on times where you'd want E over W.
What do I think overall?
1. You need more experience in general
2. Guide is bad because it only really works against very low levels of play, AKA glass cannon
Close to [color=red]-1[/color], but not downvoting because I don't feel like it. [/spoiler][/quote]
MejickPuf wrote:
Please check out my

http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/renekton-territorial-agressiveness-builds-update-249445
This one is a maybe.
I have literally no idea how to play

So uh, yeah :p Maybe.
[quote=tehAsian][quote=MejickPuf]
Please check out my [[renekton]] guide :)
http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/renekton-territorial-agressiveness-builds-update-249445
[/quote]
This one is a maybe.
I have literally no idea how to play [[renekton]], I've only played him twice. In PBE. TBH I didn't even know what his passive was until just now, when I checked with a brief look at your guide.
So uh, yeah :p Maybe.[/quote]
I could have sworn that I replied already. But apparently I haven't.
@ Viola NP :)
@Viola
@Masteries - derp, I think I meant
Summoner's Wrath
xP
@Oracles - should be core, unless you're hardcore feeding :l Denying vision op.
@Boots of Mobies - Actually, scratch that, should be used if you're ward clearing a lot, but actually now that I think about it other boots are better, aka Tabi, Mercs, CDR.
@Banshees - It's 3000 gold for zero supportive stats o_o First off, I don't ever think a support will have that much free money (unless you're like me playing
Soraka, KSing everyone in teamfights). Second, using BV instead of say Locket, Randuins, Zekes, etc really only benefits yourself, something you probably shouldn't be doing. You're there to support, not be protected. If you have to die for your carry, die for him.
I don't think it's bad to include the video in the guide, it's youtube after all :P
But imo don't just add it in, watch it a few times, learn from it, and teach it to others.
Answers
Masteries - Well I automatically assumed you were talking about
Summoner's Wrath
, lol.
Oracle's - Will implement it in the next update.
Banshee's - Would you say that it is an OK choice as a fifth/sixth item?
tehAsian wrote:
@ Viola NP :)

@Masteries - derp, I think I meant

@Oracles - should be core, unless you're hardcore feeding :l Denying vision op.
@Boots of Mobies - Actually, scratch that, should be used if you're ward clearing a lot, but actually now that I think about it other boots are better, aka Tabi, Mercs, CDR.
@Banshees - It's 3000 gold for zero supportive stats o_o First off, I don't ever think a support will have that much free money (unless you're like me playing

I don't think it's bad to include the video in the guide, it's youtube after all :P
But imo don't just add it in, watch it a few times, learn from it, and teach it to others.

Masteries - Well I automatically assumed you were talking about

Oracle's - Will implement it in the next update.
Banshee's - Would you say that it is an OK choice as a fifth/sixth item?
[quote=Viola Orpheus]I could have sworn that I replied already. But apparently I haven't.
[quote=tehAsian]
@ Viola NP :)
[spoiler=@Viola]
@Masteries - derp, I think I meant [[summoner's wrath]] xP
@Oracles - should be core, unless you're hardcore feeding :l Denying vision op.
@Boots of Mobies - Actually, scratch that, should be used if you're ward clearing a lot, but actually now that I think about it other boots are better, aka Tabi, Mercs, CDR.
@Banshees - It's 3000 gold for zero supportive stats o_o First off, I don't ever think a support will have that much free money (unless you're like me playing [[soraka]], KSing everyone in teamfights). Second, using BV instead of say Locket, Randuins, Zekes, etc really only benefits yourself, something you probably shouldn't be doing. You're there to support, not be protected. If you have to die for your carry, die for him.
I don't think it's bad to include the video in the guide, it's youtube after all :P
But imo don't just add it in, watch it a few times, learn from it, and teach it to others. [/spoiler][/quote]
[spoiler=Answers]
Masteries - Well I automatically assumed you were talking about [[Summoner's Wrath]], lol.
Oracle's - Will implement it in the next update.
Banshee's - Would you say that it is an OK choice as a fifth/sixth item?[/spoiler][/quote]
It may be obvious that im new to the Mobafire community, but either way. I just made a guide and would love an opinion on it.
Smokey's guide for Ahri
Smokey's guide for Ahri
[quote=Smokey23112]It may be obvious that im new to the Mobafire community, but either way. I just made a guide and would love an opinion on it.
[url=http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/smokeys-guide-to-wrecking-as-ahri-253329?revision]Smokey's guide for Ahri[/url][/quote]
http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/riven-the-exile-253420
My first Riven guide :D
I attempted to correct all spelling and grammar mistakes that I could find. I'm pretty sure that I need to expand upon my explaining in some areas and I know that I need to add more to the items section and possibly the game play section. I'm just looking for a review of what you think this guide will become when I finalize it.
My first Riven guide :D
I attempted to correct all spelling and grammar mistakes that I could find. I'm pretty sure that I need to expand upon my explaining in some areas and I know that I need to add more to the items section and possibly the game play section. I'm just looking for a review of what you think this guide will become when I finalize it.
[quote=Maelstrom147]http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/riven-the-exile-253420
My first Riven guide :D
I attempted to correct all spelling and grammar mistakes that I could find. I'm pretty sure that I need to expand upon my explaining in some areas and I know that I need to add more to the items section and possibly the game play section. I'm just looking for a review of what you think this guide will become when I finalize it.[/quote]
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