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PsiGuard's Jungle Tier List Patch 8.5

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Last updated on March 9, 2018
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F1SHEYES | March 4, 2018 11:48am
How good is Pantheon jungle? I've seen him to be very fun in the jungle
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PsiGuard (1194) | March 4, 2018 6:25pm
Clear's bad, ganks are good, dueling is pretty good, falls off kinda hard. It's tough for me to place him in a tier since I haven't seen one in ages. He could probably go among the Decent junglers in tier 4.
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F1SHEYES | March 5, 2018 11:55am
Alright, thanks! I know this definitely isn't meta, but how is Urgot jungle? I personally haven't tried him, it sounds like a good idea purely for fun.
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naarcx | February 12, 2018 7:03am
Kayn needs his own tier called like, "If you're playing Kayn and are on my team, I'm probably going to hate you by the time the game is over."

He's like the perfect storm of having very situational to use skills and looking "cool" enough for all the nubs to dedicate their lives to playing him.
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PsiGuard (1194) | February 12, 2018 12:50pm
Haha, I can definitely see that happening. Fortunately for me, I'm usually the jungler so I don't have to worry about that too much. :P

Kayn can be quite strong (I'm not very polished with him but am still pretty effective) but he has a number of weak matchups like Warwick where he just loses 1v1 at virtually every stage of the game. If you can get past his weak early dueling and get to his transformation then he's quite a good champion. Like you said though, he can be pretty challenging to master, so you'll only really see Kayns who carry if they're at least somewhat experienced with the champion.
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NovaNovella | February 12, 2018 6:14am
No Twitch? That guy is at least guaranteed to get first blood and once he gets the ball rolling, your team ends up with 2 ADCs, one of whom can stealth. I imagine that at highers ELOs he might get countered hard, but in low ELO where people would rather lose a limb than buy a control ward, he's a god.
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PsiGuard (1194) | February 12, 2018 12:43pm
Twitch's ganks are quite strong (especially level 2 after starting red buff) but he's a pretty weak duelist. A ton of junglers have winning matchups against him which is why I don't personally play him. Haven't seen very many this season but I imagine he's all right if you're able to avoid the enemy jungler.
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Razsagoth (9) | February 11, 2018 5:22am
This might just be the best tier list I've seen so far, states exactly how things are right now with the junglers. Glad I peeked!
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PsiGuard (1194) | February 11, 2018 3:45pm
Thanks Razsagoth, I'm glad you agree haha. People tend to be pretty opinionated about tier lists so it's nice to have some positive feedback. ^_^
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Razsagoth (9) | February 11, 2018 7:52pm
Well yeah , pretty much everyone has their own opinions about how things are but in reality I must say you hit the "meta"on the head with this one. (pun intended)
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Ronyk (21) | February 6, 2018 2:28pm
PsiGuard, I've got a question about your Tier 4 (Decent) junglers.

Some of the champions ( Wukong, Trundle, Pantheon, etc.) do a lovely job in the top lane, but a few of them are played exclusively in the jungle.

What type of changes would need to be made to move junglers like Amumu, Kindred and Nocturne (to name a few) up your list? Would just a shift in the Meta do it? A change to some Jungle items like the bloodrazer? Would the champions themselves need individual kit changes or buffs to their stats? Or maybe the jungle itself would have to change? I imagine the answer is probably different for each of the different champions you listed there, but I'm still very interested in hearing what you think about the topic.
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PsiGuard (1194) | February 6, 2018 2:46pm
Just fyi I edited the list a bit just now, so a couple champs you mentioned are in different spots now. Also I had Jax a lot lower than I thought, oops.

Meta shifts and item/rune changes are often enough to make some champions viable that were previously pretty bad. In other cases, champions really need direct buffs in order to compete evenly against standard picks. I think Nocturne suffers a bit from this, as his kit is a bit outdated compared to other assassins, so even in assassin metas he doesn't abuse strong items as much as someone like Kha'Zix or Kayn can when played to their potential. Stopwatch also makes his job harder unfortunately.

Amumu is someone who's been viable, but not actually meta for a long time. I think he'd also need some kit changes (or extreme numbers buffs) to be considered a top jungle pick. Newer tank champions tend to have more spammable or reliable CC while Amumu doesn't offer much disruption outside his ult.

Theories on how each champion should be changed would get pretty complicated, but suffice it to say there are definitely champions that are out of meta because of current game conditions and others who are out of meta because they're weak or outdated. There's enough overlap that if Riot brought back something like Devourer or Feral Flare, Nocturne could abuse that enough to be strong, but in most cases he'll get outshined by similar champions.

I hope that answers your question. Let me know if you're still wondering something.
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Ronyk (21) | February 6, 2018 2:55pm
You answered my question very thoroughly! Thank you!

Though your response got me thinking: as you (personally) know, I've only just started jungling this season. I don't always see Stopwatch in my games (Normals, but judging by portraits, I see a lot of silver and gold, with the occasional platinum... but still normals), but when I do, I generally don't bother trying to gank until it's a Broken Stopwatch or they're pushed way up into our tower. Now, even though I don't see them often in my own games, I see them all the time on streams and in professional play (the recent game between 100 Thieves and TSM had 9 Stopwatches!).

My question is how you (or anybody else who happens to read this and has an opinion) think the Stopwatch has changed the jungle meta, if at all?
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Im Not Gay EUW (2) | February 4, 2018 4:23am
i think your tier list would be better if you also put the last tier in. so the bad tier. that way we can see every champ you have thought off. so for example if i play aatrox jungle and it isnt on your tier 1 2 3 or 4 list. most people will think he is just straight up bad in jungle. while you might not have thought of him as a jungle so you didnt consider him in your list.
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PsiGuard (1194) | February 4, 2018 3:11pm
Thanks for the feedback. I'll consider re-adding the last tier. I initially removed it because I felt it was misleading to call some champions "bad junglers" when it's certainly possible to succeed with him. This narrower set of champions is a group that I'm much more familiar with and feel more confident about accurately rating.

As for someone like Aatrox I'm afraid I haven't seen a jungle Aatrox in a really long time, which makes it difficult for me to rate. If I were to add a "bad" tier of junglers, he probably wouldn't be included simply because I haven't played him or seen him as a jungler in quite some time.
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Im Not Gay EUW (2) | February 5, 2018 12:58pm
okay got it :)
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PsiGuard (1194) | January 12, 2018 5:08pm
Changed up the tiers a bit so I could focus on smaller sets of champions. A few viable junglers were cut because I haven't seen them in ages or they're really weak and not worth playing at the moment.
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Cloud58tw (4) | January 12, 2018 9:59am
GG for the list ^_^ but what you think about Diana ? pro or cons ? :D
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VexRoth (59) | January 12, 2018 1:49pm
I played Diana a decent amount in the jungle last season and some this preseason. Last season she at least cleared healthy and quickly as long as she had Blue buff. Her first clear is weaker this season. You get chunked pretty hard doing a three camp clear (buff > wolves > buff). Her 1-3 have never been that strong, so if you meet the enemy jungler at that stage you are just toast.

However, if you make it to Mid game even or ahead you will stomp on kids. Late game will depend on their comp. If they have a lot of anti-dive ( Lulu, Janna, Lissandra) you'll cry, but if they don't have enough CC to stop you and their ADC doesn't buy a Hexdrinker you can instantly take them out of the fight pretty much at will and have some chance of walking out.

But IMO really there is no reason to play her over Evelynn right now. Eve has a weak early game as far as dueling goes, but has healthier clears and has a similar if not better Mid-Late game.
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PsiGuard (1194) | January 12, 2018 12:32pm
She's not awful in the jungle if you enjoy the champion, but she's pretty weak in the early game and not great from behind. Pretty easy to carry with if your lanes don't lose early and you can get to 6 and get your first couple items, but there will be games where your team falls behind and it'll be really hard to do anything.

I don't feel there's a great reason to play her unless you just love the champion, but she's capable enough as a jungler.
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dqcoulter | November 25, 2017 11:02am
Where is Aatrox? He works great in the jungle for me.
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PsiGuard (1194) | November 25, 2017 5:23pm
Haven't seen one in ages, so it's hard for me to evaluate, sorry. :/
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Sol.T.Ai (1) | October 20, 2017 10:33pm
I wish there were a hero name popups on portrait hover, it would make a life of a newbie a bit easier.
PS I still can see the names but gotta look at image url address, which is not that comfortable
PSS thanks for your list, who would you recommend to buy first? A strong jungle, so that i could fill the role when suddenly i'd have play jg in blind pick?
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PsiGuard (1194) | October 20, 2017 11:27pm
Thanks for your comment Sol.T.Ai. Looks like you're level 14? I recommend Warwick and Rammus to new junglers. They're both strong, pretty straightforward and Warwick especially has a super healthy clear. You should be able to clear the jungle monsters even without a full rune and mastery page.

Thanks for your feedback on the champion names, I'll pass that on to the devs and we'll see if we can do anything to make the tier lists a little more easily digestible for new players.

Let me know if you have any more questions!
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Joxuu (332) | August 5, 2017 4:25pm
Feels weird to see Elise tier 2 and Lee sin tier 4. I'd place Lee Sin tier 2 or Elise tier lower for the same reason as Lee Sin is tier 4. Elise isn't as mechanically intensive but one needs more than general jungle knowledge to pull her off efficiently.

Also feels weird to see Dr. Mundo tier 2 because he is sub optimal. I'd also keep Zac tier 1 but I can understand the reasoning for lower tiers for soloQ.
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utopus (311) | August 5, 2017 5:47pm
While I also think that Lee Sin is placed a little low, I do have to agree with Psiguard that his placement is suitable in Tier 4, based on the definitions of each tier. Elise requires much less skill than Lee on the mechanical level.

I'll bow out of arguing whether Elise requires more jungle knowledge than Lee though, since I don't main jungle.
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PsiGuard (1194) | August 5, 2017 4:46pm
Zac's win rate is pretty average even in diamond. I wouldn't consider him tier 1 at this point.

Mundo was a bit hard for me to place. I've seen very few and haven't played him much since his buff, but his win rate went up a lot and he's sitting among the top tank junglers right now. I'd have to play more games with/against him to get a better feel for his power level but this is my best guess based on stats.

As for Lee and Elise, Elise is quite clearly prioritized competitively while Lee Sin is much less popular. There's also a staggering difference in win rates. Perhaps it's not fair of me to place Lee so low based on how difficult he is to pull off, when Elise is also quite challenging, but right now I feel there are good reasons to play Elise and not really any reason to pick Lee unless you're a Lee main.
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utopus (311) | August 5, 2017 12:37pm
@ PsiGuard what brought Zac out of Tier 1? While he's not as strong as Cho'Gath, I still feel like he's an echelon above the other junglers in tier 2.

Can you also defend your reasoning behind putting Ivern in tier 2? I thought that his early game got nerfed too heavily for him to see play still
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PsiGuard (1194) | August 5, 2017 3:09pm
Zac still has great ganks but his clear and combat effectiveness got pretty smashed with his last nerfs. Tier 1 is reserved for champions with high pick rate and win rate, which Zac is neither now.

Ivern's a lot like Janna in that he's pretty easy to be consistently effective with, even if you can't hard-carry. Most teams simply aren't coordinated enough to prevent champions like Nunu and Ivern from stealing camps for free, and Ivern makes his teammates really hard to kill. I don't think he's top tier anymore with the scaling monsters that are Maokai and Cho'Gath, but I don't think he's bad. I haven't seen very many since his last nerf though.

To put these champions in perspective, Ivern has a roughly 3% higher win rate than Zac in platinum and diamond. Using op.gg for stats since champion.gg seems to be bugged.
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