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Shaco Build Guide by Tali

The Smiteless Jester - Dont Let Them Turn Around

The Smiteless Jester - Dont Let Them Turn Around

Updated on August 14, 2012
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Isthatok (67) | August 16, 2012 7:48am
Three cents.

1. You should really not jungle without smite. You need it for dragon and baron later in the game.

2. You need to use BBCoding, as it is a requirement for virtually any guide to succeed on Mobafire. Without it you might as well be publishing a book (what's a book anyway?). Look up jhoihoi's "Making a Guide", and then if you still need ideas feel free to PM or check out mine.

3. Looks like you received quite a few trollvotes... Consider reposting the guide (maybe even changing the non-smite thing) and turning on Require Comment to Vote.

+1 for effort. Good luck.
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sirell (400) | August 15, 2012 2:46am
I kinda agree with most people here already. Unless your champion has an in-built smite of some fashion, I would never try to jungle without Smite. That being said, I never jungle without Smite. A fast jungle clear just seems too important. Stealing/securing buffs seems too important.

What if you get invaded early game and you don't have the time to get the boxes to take your first buff thereafter? How will you recover? You'll have a hell of a time trying to get going again. I've seen a Shaco die to wolves because he didn't have Smite. Completely wasted his blue-buff. He became underleveled and couldn't gank for about 15 minutes because he was just so underleveled.

Also, your build confuses me. You go really defensively with hp but no real damage. That'll decrease the effectiveness of your ganks. You'll survive your ganks easier and you'll have an easier jungle time, but you won't really achieve all that much and your jungling will be slower. No Wriggles, no Madred's... nothing in your build is really suited to jungling except your initial assumption that Shaco can and should jungle without Smite.

Your skill sequence has no focus. You don't max any particular ability, you're not maximising where your damage is coming from... Most will max Two-Shiv Poison for the slow increase and damage output.

As for the actual content of the written text in your guide, it's difficult to read. Big blocks of texts are unappealing for most people. So they'll just look at your cheat sheet and go 'eh?'.

Buffs spawn at 1:56, actually (unless it's the lag on my laptop).

'Timing and defense'? Lol. As if every other jungler doesn't do that(!)

When you're talking about your 'secret weapon' in the ganking section, I think you mean ' Ignite' instead of ' Smite'. You don't really detail how to get behind them... You could try going through the bushes down bottom/top. You don't even bother to think about asking whether the rivers are warded...

Your advice on teamfights is... not entirely accurate. With Deceive, Shaco can take the element of surprise to initate and not wait for your team to do something. Whilst they then start to focus you, using a Jack In The Box, Hallucinate and then a second Deceive or Flash if necessary will ensure a successful initiate and escape. Your team can take that initiative to leap in after you.

You don't even talk about warding that much, how to compensate when you have been counter-jungled (which there is more to than just stealing your buffs...), you don't explain your items and you don't even check your own cheat-sheet to see that you have no additional armour and magic resist. One CC and you'd be dead.

You don't explain your runes, or your masteries... you don't provide alternatives in items... You don't account for many situations at all. To be honest, this guide doesn't hold that much promise.

At least try putting some more pictures in. And you might want to set your guide to 'Requires Comments to Vote'.
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KoreanSP (30) | August 14, 2012 9:14pm
PsiGuard wrote:


On the occasion that I see an enemy jungling without smite, I make a point to ward their buffs and steal them when they try to take them. The only champion that has a nuke that can out-damage Smite is Cho'Gath, and he only gets it at 6. It also has a cast time while smite is instantly cast and ranged.

It's also incredibly easy to steal dragons from a smite-less team, especially if you have a jungler with some mobility. You are going to get stomped against good junglers if you don't take smite.


Nunu's Q can be considered a mini smite as well.
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Phil15 (23) | August 14, 2012 7:47pm
A jungler without smite is a jungler that can be EASILY countered and whenever there is a fight at baron or dragon its a HUGE disadvantage for the team without smite. I cannot conceive any jungler that would not need smite.... its a most on every single jungler and not taking it IS REALLY NOT something that will help you do well in general.
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GrandmasterD (531) | August 14, 2012 7:29pm
PsiGuard wrote:


On the occasion that I see an enemy jungling without smite, I make a point to ward their buffs and steal them when they try to take them. The only champion that has a nuke that can out-damage Smite is Cho'Gath, and he only gets it at 6. It also has a cast time while smite is instantly cast and ranged.

It's also incredibly easy to steal dragons from a smite-less team, especially if you have a jungler with some mobility. You are going to get stomped against good junglers if you don't take smite.


exactly what I meant, the true value of smite is not clear to most players.
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PsiGuard (1495) | August 14, 2012 7:19pm
Tali wrote:

rather than the small chance someone will steal your dragon/baron and your smite is exactly enough to finish it off.

On the occasion that I see an enemy jungling without smite, I make a point to ward their buffs and steal them when they try to take them. The only champion that has a nuke that can out-damage Smite is Cho'Gath, and he only gets it at 6. It also has a cast time while smite is instantly cast and ranged.

It's also incredibly easy to steal dragons from a smite-less team, especially if you have a jungler with some mobility. You are going to get stomped against good junglers if you don't take smite.
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GrandmasterD (531) | August 14, 2012 7:10pm
No jungler should leave Smite be. Not only allows it for faster jungling, it secures buffs such as Baron. Also, not having smite forces you in taking a weird skill sequence, unoptimal rune page, etc.

This is simply not viable against decent players.
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Tali (2) | August 14, 2012 7:03pm
True
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tokidoe (1) | August 14, 2012 7:00pm
I agree, ignite is very helpful. A lot of shaco's in fact go Ignite+Smite since he basically has a free flash. I can see why you think the way you do, and in many respects it can be true. But it's really pretty necessary at any mid-high level of play. There simply wouldn't be much you could do if the enemy jungle warded your buffs and just walked up and stole them when you were doing them.
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Tali (2) | August 14, 2012 6:52pm
I understand the point of smite but what i'm trying to say is that You don't need to secure buffs dragons or baron as long as your aware and smart about timing and where your enemy is. As long as the enemy is dead or not around while your team rushes baron you wont need that small extra damage. its practicaly nothing, same thing with dragon but i admit it does help with that and buffs. i just think that the extra damage in ganks is really important for winning rather than the small chance someone will steal your dragon/baron and your smite is exactly enough to finish it off. I'm not disagreeing with you i'm just saying i think that ignite is really helpful. especially when you run into the enemy jungler, your advantage there is incredibly large.
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tokidoe (1) | August 14, 2012 6:37pm
While I will agree with you that you CAN jungle Shaco without Smite, you really never should. At the end of the day, Smite's main purpose isn't so that you clear faster or are safer, it's so that you are capable of securing important objectives like buffs, Baron, and Dragon. If the enemy jungler is even semi-competent, you will have everything stolen from you .
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