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Hello peeps, EpicGentleman writing around here, just to talk about some off-topics and to ask some questions. Ok, so I'm a jungler. I have been such for around 6/7 months now, and I have no regrets. I try to play jungle every game I can, and every time I do such, I do my best. But, I never have a specific champ to play with. I would like some sugestions on such choice. I have a great amount of junglers, and I realy like them all, so I would feel pleased if anyone could help me.
On another topic, I would like to ask something. Is it normal to not gank/give buffs to rude people? I usualy use this rule if anyone is being extremely rude to me or to anyone on the team. (We are talking about normals here) I would like to know if it is a right move or something douchy. I feel like it's right and almost like i'm aplying some justice by my hands.
To finish, I would just like to ask something else: Can anyone tell me a realy nice jungler at counter-jungling? I know jax is pretty nice for such effect, and udyr is also pretty nice, but some junglers just don't give me that "feeling" of safeness in another player's jungle. Anyone can help me here?
Sorry for the long text, I say my goodbyes now, thanks for the attention, and have nice games!
On another topic, I would like to ask something. Is it normal to not gank/give buffs to rude people? I usualy use this rule if anyone is being extremely rude to me or to anyone on the team. (We are talking about normals here) I would like to know if it is a right move or something douchy. I feel like it's right and almost like i'm aplying some justice by my hands.
To finish, I would just like to ask something else: Can anyone tell me a realy nice jungler at counter-jungling? I know jax is pretty nice for such effect, and udyr is also pretty nice, but some junglers just don't give me that "feeling" of safeness in another player's jungle. Anyone can help me here?
Sorry for the long text, I say my goodbyes now, thanks for the attention, and have nice games!
I wouldn't mind to know how to "counter my counters". Sometimes I strugle alot with some champions in the jungle because of certain counters. For example, I once was playing Lee, and an Udyr (That was actualy way off my league, and I do recognize it) was always in my jungle, and I just couldn't do anything about it. I tried to fight him once, and I just got smashed.
This is easy in theory, hard in practice. The more you play of a champion, the more you know about him. Knowing that gives you an advantage. An Udyr can carry a game if you don't deal with him. but you have to outsmart him in some way. When you're behind because you got counterjungled, force objectives, gank, get experience in some way, ask for help. This is a team game, play it as such. If you focused only in counterjungling, you can't deal much pressure in the map, and that means that some lanes will struggle, and you can take advantage of that. However, sometimes, if the enemy jungler is good, he is good, and you're gonna have a harder time. But that doesn't mean a sure defeat. Try to help your teammates scale and maybe you can win.
Lee Sin is one of the "like I give a ..." about wards. He has so much mobility that you can gank pretty easy even with they knowing that you're there. That's another reason why I recommend you to try to improve your Lee Sin.
Oh please no. Master Yi NO.
Hecarim is awesome, and I do know that. Sometimes I just don't play him because of the weak early game you mentioned. It's a bit dull. But indeed, in the late game, he is a super teamfighter.
I wouldn't mind to know how to "counter my counters". Sometimes I strugle alot with some champions in the jungle because of certain counters. For example, I once was playing Lee, and an Udyr (That was actualy way off my league, and I do recognize it) was always in my jungle, and I just couldn't do anything about it. I tried to fight him once, and I just got smashed.
Knowledge is raw strenght. The more you know, the better you are, and I do know it. When I started jungling, I just farmed and farmed and farmed endlessly, thinking I was making a diference. And ganking? River ganks only. I do know how to gank when it is warded now, because I learned the diferent possible paths. (It does depend on the champion, Pantheon doesn't care about wards, for example). I always try to not get cocky when I have a great game, but I do "get pumped", to try and get some more good games. And if I don't, well... Try again.
"A true master is an eternal student." Master Yi
Ckyze,thanks for your answers. I actualy love Vi, and also play her from time to time, so after you mentioned her, I think she is perfect for the thing I'm looking for. She has strong and solid ganks, and she is a nice duelist to. She can also be tanky and still have damage. I don't know about Lee Sin, for some reason, everytime I play him I fail miserably. But I will give him some more tries, maybe ask a friend how to play him, he actualy mains it.
As for the buffs, I'm pleased to know I'm doing the right thing. If you don't deserve it, you don't get it. I actualy try to explain it sometimes, and some people do understand.
Thanks for the help!
Nobody is born ready to play Lee Sin well. If you fail, try to see where you fail and do it better next time. I can't count the amount of times that I've missed Lee Sin Q's or failed to use R to my team. I recommend to see some videos of Lee Sin players (foxdrop's is a great choice. He teaches you how to improve in some ways) and some videos to improve your skillshot's (Impakt's video is good). This way and with some practice in games, you'll learn to play Lee Sin better. It will improve your jungling even more than with Vi only. Same goes for improving your Elise plays.
Hecarim is fun to play and late game beast if you play him tanky. He is just a huge risk because his early game can be shutdown pretty easily if counterjungled, and his build is kind of expensive for a jungler. However that doesn't mean that he is useless.
Another thing that I could teach you is to know how to play your counter. That way, you can predict the plays he/she is going to make and adjust to that if you're caught against a counter of you. For example- Elise is one of the hardest matchups that Lee Sin can have. However, since I play Elise and Lee Sin I can adapt to that and some times turn the tables around. ;)
EDIT: As you progress in the jungle role, you'll learn more and more and that will make you a better player. You'll learn how to gank even when warded, how to improve your map pressure, and how to counterjungle safely. Your knowledge has a great role in your improvement: even today, i'm still learning things I dismissed before. And most importantly: don't get cocky because you had a great game. Sometimes, your games will run good, but other times you'll get squashed.
As for the buffs, I'm pleased to know I'm doing the right thing. If you don't deserve it, you don't get it. I actualy try to explain it sometimes, and some people do understand.
Thanks for the help!
First question: Jungle champions can be decided (in my opinion) by CC/gank ability: if they have stun, knocked airbone or displacement / good gank capacity, gap closer and mobility. The campions that IMO are inside this topic are: Lee Sin, Vi, Elise, Jarvan IV and (maybe) Hecarim. Then you can decide by damage/carry junglers like Kha'Zix (not certain after this patch notes) or Wukong. Your choice must be based on what your team needs. if they need more early game power go Lee Sin for example. But of course, if you play well another champion that fits your team comp, then go for it.
Second Question: Buff are in jungle, that's your lane. You're not obligated to give buffs to anyone. I usually do if I see that they are real teammates (have a good attitude, help in ganks and don't complain on everything). But even if they do so, but they're 0-3, maybe it' not worth to give them blue buff. Against rude people, I don't give anything. If they want it, they must deserve it first.
Third Question: Lee Sin is your best choice. Altough hard to play, once you've learned it, you can counter-jungle and get away easily with your Q or W. You can kill enemy jungler at red if you're lvl 2. If you started red, it's even more easy. Vi or Elise are good choices too, altough Elise doesn't have much power early game like before.
Hope this helps. :)