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Cho'Gath Build Guide by PotatisFarfar

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League of Legends Build Guide Author PotatisFarfar

A gentleman's way of playing Cho'Gath

PotatisFarfar Last updated on January 30, 2012
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piztog (1) | June 24, 2012 5:57pm
man UPDATE the build cant stand that stupid builds that are on moba fire now
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Swizzbeatz (5) | June 21, 2012 5:55pm
Yeah I sure wish you could update this, EASILY the best cho guide on the site and I wish others could see it, because as the post above me stated, it is no longer posted on the site as #1. +1 for being the only way I can build cho ^^
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Emperor_Z | June 1, 2012 11:36am
Could we get an update to this guide? I don't know if there are actually any significant changes to make, but it's fallen off the main page due to its age.
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Futendra | May 22, 2012 6:11am
Nice guide!
Might want to check out my builds?
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Williamthehalo (1) | May 19, 2012 7:28am
Chogath was my first hero too :)!
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VisibleSnow | May 14, 2012 1:54pm
Voted +1

Just tried this in my first normal pvp game as cho'gath, right after buying him. 12/8/19. Very pleased :D I'm new to the game so a score like that is quite good for me!
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levinho | May 6, 2012 7:53am
First time Cho with this guide: 10/1/10
thx :D
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Double00Riser | May 4, 2012 11:33am
Great build man, I often go without deaths using this build (last game i played i went 13/10/15). Thanks a lot!
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jgp1322 | May 4, 2012 11:27am
Also, does anyone have advice for laning against Shyvana, and Lee Sin as solo top? They are the only two characters I ever play against that are able to hang with me up top.
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jgp1322 | May 4, 2012 11:27am
I find Cho'gath a very preference based character. The only items I build EVER GAME, are boots 3, and rod of ages. The thing about Cho, is that if you get farmed/fed early, he naturally becomes a tank with his health without building defense gear. With this in mind, when I'm doing well, I rush a rabadons. I'm able to nuke carries down, making a tank unnecisary, the problem with this, is that if you do manage to lose your stacks, rushing ap will hurt you. You have to learn to play cautiosly with this approach ( I know, cautious and carry don't always mix, but that is why he has such great range on his q, you don't have to commit until you land one.)
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PrincessLuna | May 3, 2012 8:22am
Awesome build +1

You are a fan of MLP to!
Luna is the best pony
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Secretic (2) | May 2, 2012 8:31am
+1 great guide
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GMS12 (1) | May 1, 2012 5:49am
I think that in jungle section you can put HaHaNo video about jungle cho'gat because it is really awesome clip. But still a gr8 guide +1 from me.
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Shadow17 (1) | April 21, 2012 4:25pm

really do you win this guide?? i am playing cho'gath for 2 years since i 1st played lol and ... i don't really think this is the proper build for cho'gath ans summoner spells

It's an amazing guide. I got 20/0/something once with it. This guide makes you a tank with insane damage.
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Alexandros17 | April 18, 2012 3:46am
really do you win this guide?? i am playing cho'gath for 2 years since i 1st played lol and ... i don't really think this is the proper build for cho'gath ans summoner spells
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niteskull | April 16, 2012 11:31pm
You want a funny build to play for lawlz? Four warmogs, a spirit visage, and a Force of Nature. Me and my friends died laughing because I was tanking the enemy respawn tower just to see how long it would take for Cho to die lol
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Polop148 (8) | April 14, 2012 2:37pm
I Love playing this build on cho gath good damage and doesnt die whats not to love?? +1
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Smily (1) | April 5, 2012 4:57am
change doran to Philosopher's Stone.

why?
get health and mana regan in eraly game
and get more Gold !!

so its better than Doran
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Shuyomi | April 2, 2012 6:59pm
Great build got 19-1-11, and the enemy couldn't even 1 vs 4 me :3
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kongo22 (2) | March 30, 2012 5:02pm
i used this when i used to play cho, thanks!
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Papayalord (3) | March 29, 2012 6:08am
+1 This is a grat build for playing Cho'gath. Nevertheless, this is the guide I have always followd when I've played him, and Ive gottn great results. I agre with you that Cho'gath should not be played as a tank. If anything, I play him as an AP mage nuker.
Anyways, great guide. +1
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madmouser | March 29, 2012 2:34am
very nice build +1
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AznPeepzssz (1) | March 25, 2012 7:23pm
Great guide
Tried it and works perfectly fine
+1
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Headhunter94 | March 24, 2012 4:05am
A very solid build. Obvious that a hell of a lot of works gone into this guide. Had instant results upon using this guide in my gameplan.

One thing, For runes, may I suggest Health regen quints? I've used this on him for a while and I've found that the extra health regen is more handy than the extra hp you get from the fortitude quints. Just personal preference. +1 from me
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Jakinator4909 | March 20, 2012 7:52pm
just great, beast skin, and oh yah NOM NOM NOM
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michaelhuanga7 | March 16, 2012 10:07am
great build, i used to rush waramog's but when i got like 5 or 6 of them the entire enemy team targeted me and i died quickly. now i know why. i also like how you added force of nature. i get force of nature mabe as my third or fourth item. +1 of course!
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grunfire | March 16, 2012 3:01am
nicce guide new to cho and this has helped thanx mate
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Traitorking | March 11, 2012 11:20am
dude this bulid is awesome when i first played chogath with another bulid i had more deaths than kills now even a turret cannot kill me that easily my last score was 25 0 9 he rocks also when using this bulid make sure u feast to six it makes u unbeatble and try not to die
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Mordefelix | March 7, 2012 11:58am
a good guide for cho gath, though I wonder if you thought about Rylai's instantneous AP boost and health boost versus rod of ages. Are we going for overall game or good instant good mid game? The timing of a Rod of Ages might be to the detriment of Cho'gath seeing as this build is going for maximum efficiency of kills at all times. Getting mana regeneration runes would cover for any mana regen problems and make Cho'gath a bigger pain to deal with when using Feral Scream to slow enemies down and landing a definite rupture. I'm just trying to think of burst potential seeing as Feast stacks will cover any health issues.
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Repulol | March 4, 2012 7:56am
Gillar din build, men du är ett jävla pony***, downrate.
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DkSolith (2) | March 3, 2012 1:15pm
I like the builds that you mention in your guide.
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AssassinXniper (1) | March 2, 2012 5:56pm
COOL guide bro
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Junksie (1) | February 26, 2012 3:28pm
Best Cho'Gath guide that I've seen!
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lukaszenk0 | February 26, 2012 6:25am
Omnomonomnomnomnom. Imba champion and imba build
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Senac (3) | February 20, 2012 12:33pm
16/2/11

Switched out FoN with Abyssal since I had no problems staying alive anyway. Also added the Wit's End, that **** is damn powerful.
My full build was;
Deathcap, Mercury's, RoA, Frozen Heart, Abyssal and Wit's End. Unfortunately it's easy ks'ing with a wellfed Cho. I got 8 kills against Ryze and GP (duo lane vs. solo top) and when teamfights started my silence destroyed them, even though I didn't rush any AP item. (I was level 16 when they were around 13-14s.
Wish I had the gentleman skin. Just to.. y'know. Impress.
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BakedLarva | February 20, 2012 5:56am
If you're going to be the tank refrain from getting Guardian's Angel, the only thing this does is make you the last target during a team fight since you'll just come back to life upon death from its effect.

In any team fight, a tank wearing a GA is not going to be attacked for that exact reason stated above.
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kavika | February 20, 2012 3:02am
Herras -> Harass. I was googling it for a min before I knew what you were talking about :)
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Ramth | February 15, 2012 4:12pm
This is an exceptional build, thank you.
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piztog (1) | February 9, 2012 3:22pm
best guide ever saw for any cham. really ty for makeing cho gath my favorite champ :)))
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Braggi | February 8, 2012 11:24pm
Voted +1
Very nice guide,
As a variation, I toyed around with early steps towards Nashor's Tooth. Compared to Wit's End, I can get a Stinger for almost the same price as the Recurve Bow, and I can buy it incrementally. Skill Tree favors Spikes and Scream over Rupture, similar to Jungling.
Makes Cho'gath more vulnerable but a nasty pusher. I can save my mana for harassing Champions while farming a lane extremely efficient. I can keep farming and recovering w/o mana. in the core build, Frozen Heart is substituted with Randuins, as Nashor's has better CDR already.
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michaelhuanga7 | February 6, 2012 7:03pm
very good guide helped me win a couple games
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kacorperation | February 5, 2012 5:07pm
Just to share this thought; Maxing cho's E first if laning against meele targets is incredibly effective! Do you think we can max e first instead of w in certain situations?
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Nelsathis | February 4, 2012 10:25pm
Registered just to vote for this.
Too bad i dont see how i do this, so i will do when i see the option.

Its a really great guide, just one thing:

''Remember that Feast does TRUE damage, it penetrates skills like Valiant Fighter and Unbreakable Will''

I agree with unbreakable will but im really not sure about Valiant fighter. I think I've seen in dominion that you cant easily kill a poppy with it. And the skill descriptions itselves also sound different. While Alistairs thing directly mentions ''armor and magic resistence'', poppies skill just speaks about damage, so i really think that this includes Feast.
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Sonic Blue Blur | February 3, 2012 7:01pm
Nice guide but they are called Champions not Heroes!
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Fak3cz (16) | February 1, 2012 11:34am
Max your Q last? FAIL
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LoL-Guides1 (2) | January 29, 2012 11:46am
+1 for this lol guide!
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X da Reaper (35) | January 27, 2012 9:37am
This build is Epic, I dominate mid and top lanes regularly using it. I take flash and teleport every time. There is nothing better then teleporting in on an even team fight and slaughter the other team with CC and feast. I will admit though, I swapped feral scream for rupture since the rupture cast cost doesn't increase and it's a pretty sure fire hit with smart casting.
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SerenadeMaestro (3) | January 21, 2012 6:41pm
I watched my brother played with this build, he got 10/0/1 in a pvp match. He was unable to be killed. The closest to death they got him to was 700 out of 3750 hp. Awesome build +1
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RealmriderX1 (91) | January 15, 2012 7:32pm
Umm, 1+ Coz this loox awesome. Gonna try it asap
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Donnerfell | January 12, 2012 1:04pm
You wrote Mantheon XD
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Taigon | January 12, 2012 7:51am
geez, needed a tank, and was like omg we need ap, picked chogath and hadnt played him at all, panicked and searched a build and ended up here, i went 17/3/19 with him....not to bad for first time cho :D thanks XD
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sanguinary maniac | January 8, 2012 4:08pm
Epic Build. I Roflstomped my way thru teamfights! :)
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Darkurii | January 7, 2012 11:27pm
Great guide! Followed it and went 11/2/19 in my first game, which was a ranked! (Yeah, I skipped to ranked.)

Only think that'd be nice is a section about good bot parnters. Cho'gath is also an INSANE bot when paired with the right people. My game was with my friend palying Ryze, which was a good comp because he'd snare and I'd rapture. Other good ones I can think of would be Annie, Taric, Kennen, etc.
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Drasq (27) | January 5, 2012 9:27am
I don't want to sound cocky, but as stated in the end, if there are any errors, we should let you know.

There is a typo at the optional items -> Banshee's Veil saying "This item i a great item"

I wanted to downvote but.... just kidding ;) Amazing build. Pretty much my own preferable choice, although I have serious doubt about the gold/5sec items if you do the calculations.

Would be nice to add some solo top info vs other chars (particulary Garen, who's king of top)
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lo0q | January 4, 2012 11:27am
Thank you. I used to buy Thornmail but now I understood that frozen h is much much better. I reccomend buying thormnail when there is LOTSA physical dmg on the enemy team though. GA is IMO better than raba, your job is to engage, knock em up and silence while your ap carries do the damage, not you. Tho I don't buy rabadon, i use flat AP runes for the extra early harass, I also have used mana regen per level runes and I think they can work pretty well becouse you can stay in lane and keep farming instead of going b, buying nothing and waisting time.
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Drasq (27) | January 3, 2012 7:47am
I dislike that you level silence first, you say it's more DPS in general, due to it's lower cd, which will lead to more dps. You are correct on that point. but you will have to position yourself in a very dangerous way, because you have to be close to melee range, while you can do rupture while running away. Your guide is nice, and I aint downvoting for that, nobody should be such a prick. But overal a pretty well explained guide.
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popamc | January 1, 2012 4:05pm
Best build for chogath ive seen so far. Lots of tank and AP. Great job.
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omagma (175) | December 31, 2011 4:11pm
HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!
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coryman | December 31, 2011 12:08pm
I love this guide. First time Cho, went like 12-2 in an intermediate bot game. Modified it slightly (didn't memorize the ability order yet) and it still worked great. THANK YOU for posting this. I may now buy Cho!

Edit: Forgot to mention, my "Q" and my "W" cancelled Nunu's ult at least 5 times. :P
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Senac (3) | December 29, 2011 5:13am
Worked for me.

Great guide, good sir.
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kokopieces | December 27, 2011 12:37pm
Nice Guide
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DarkVoidShadow (29) | December 23, 2011 10:32am
lol dat snowball cho is godlike on cho in a 3v3 if yu leading the game only replaced levathian for a rab's deathcap
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Onoku (5) | December 23, 2011 10:25am
Great guide, I was mediocre with Cho at best, now I am feasting on faces.
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FlanCakes (2) | December 22, 2011 2:14pm
I see no purpose for Mercenary to be honest, the extra gold is hardly noticeable.
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rkolevedis (1) | December 15, 2011 2:58am
A gentleman's way of playing Cho'Gath=How to destroy people with Cho' gath...
yeah that should do it!
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EraserReign | December 14, 2011 5:01am
Great build, thnx for sharing. As you have mentioned ppl should go builds vs their opponent. for AP players I get the recipe or itself if I am fed enough for Abyssal Scepter a bit early on or Wit's end for a little Attack Speed and MR. Just a little reminder and a suggestion. Great way of Cho read the whole guide before commenting ppl and it really works,

Thnx for this guide again, GL GGs and HF.
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Venpresath | December 13, 2011 4:01am
First, I didn't care then I saw "Cho'ball Snowgath" and I just lol'd all over +1
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rkolevedis (1) | December 11, 2011 9:29am
very nice !
nothing else to say +1
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OldBen (14) | December 10, 2011 1:11pm
Awesome guide, I always use it when my team needs somebody to solo top. Works perfectly... until I start to ult enemies' carry in teamfight.
"omg n00b cho stop stealing my f***in' kills!!!1!11!" - sorry dude, stacks won't make themselves! ;p

Upvoted & fav'd, but one note - you could mention that when somebody takes Philosopher's Stone, he should upgrade it into Eleisa's Miracle. IMO Cho doesn't need it, but if game goes really bad...
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Talius | December 9, 2011 9:18pm
zaptox wrote:

Seems good :) I almost buy the same. But i would buy Rylai's Crystal Scepter instead of Ring :)


That build on the very top with the ring, you're supposed to sell the ring and buy abyssal scepter late game...
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Talius | December 9, 2011 9:17pm
I still kinda like the utility mastery, even after the nerf to it and the buff to the tank tree. Mind checking out your cho again potatis and giving your thoughts on one VS the other?

I see arguments earlier from a friend of yours I think. What do you think about the tank mastery? I have to say I really do hate the idea of losing my movement speed just because I get focused. cho is NOT invincible, pretty close, but not quite (no champ is totally invincible...) I've played both masteries and don't see too much of a difference other than early game, and early game utility pwns tank mastery.

Hope you'll give us your thoughts potatis, give both masteries a fair run-a-round and let us know what you think.
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AMSss | December 7, 2011 10:19am
i normally do vorpal spikes last rupture second. But its similar to what i use so i like it
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zaptox | December 5, 2011 5:09am
Seems good :) I almost buy the same. But i would buy Rylai's Crystal Scepter instead of Ring :)
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Seelyon (3) | December 2, 2011 3:06am
Simply amazing chogath guide. Great reasoning behind every decision. Now i just need a gentlemen skin...
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Andele3025 (2) | December 1, 2011 4:34am
Luther3000 wrote:

Do the math on Perseverence, even if you have 100 HP regen per 5 (stupidly high even for a FoN tank), one point in it will add only 3 HP regen per 5. That is absolutely awful for a mastery in the second highest tier.

You will definitely be at over 70% HP when initiating fights, which is where MS really counts anyway. Being as you're playing Cho who is basically unkillable, you might well still be at 70% afterward too.

I think the 3% from Defence DOES work with Feast...It states 3% of your total health, and Feast adds to your total health. I see no reason why it wouldn't be included.



I disagree, CDR doesn't lose value just because you have more of it (as long as you don't hit the cap, that is).

You don't spam spells early in lane on Cho anyway, or he runs out of mana real fast. So there's little value in early CDR.


Again i only chose it since there isnt anything really useful (and i wont bother trying to find out of the gold/10 are worth points), same as with spellvamp, only ultra small sustain boost.
10% at start almost always mean a lot since i usually go with feral scream (most players i play against take boots to counter cho rupture) and while CDR doesnt directly lose on value, it less of it at the start does set you back a bit (so early cdr is seen as more beneficial).
While 1% ms may be really nice, i wouldn't take the risk of losing on speed if i fall under a hp threshold.

Well now that masteries are all personal preference, i dont mind if anyone goes something other than 9/0/21 on cho, but im sticking to what im used to.

And im not so sure, since every time i feasted i just gained the flat value not 3% more of additional hp. Maybe i didnt update... arghh i hate the ui bugs.

Temzilla wrote:

That's kind of backwards, but okay.

Well utility shows its uses in early game, its just that the 15% ss cdr and respawn reduction is what i see so useful (since the only time you may die with cho is when your left alone in a 5v1 after the 45 min mark).
Defs bonuses dont really show so much in comparison (again i see passive effects more useful than situational boosts - e.g. sona and soraka are better than janna and taric in terms of raw support/defensive power).
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ZoeJoK | November 30, 2011 6:12am
super build and, good explanations on the things and playstyles and items i agree with everything almost ^^ for sure +1
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Luther3000 (436) | November 29, 2011 3:54pm
Do the math on Perseverence, even if you have 100 HP regen per 5 (stupidly high even for a FoN tank), one point in it will add only 3 HP regen per 5. That is absolutely awful for a mastery in the second highest tier.

You will definitely be at over 70% HP when initiating fights, which is where MS really counts anyway. Being as you're playing Cho who is basically unkillable, you might well still be at 70% afterward too.

I think the 3% from Defence DOES work with Feast...It states 3% of your total health, and Feast adds to your total health. I see no reason why it wouldn't be included.

Quoted:

I didnt forget, just later on the 9% isnt as important as 6(10)% cdr early on since you got your frozen heart


I disagree, CDR doesn't lose value just because you have more of it (as long as you don't hit the cap, that is).

You don't spam spells early in lane on Cho anyway, or he runs out of mana real fast. So there's little value in early CDR.
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Andele3025 (2) | November 29, 2011 3:50pm
Luther3000 wrote:

Don't forget that you can now get 9% CDR at 18 and 3% Movespeed while above 70% health in the Defence tree, as opposed to 6% CDR all game and 2% unconditional Movespeed from Utility.

Perseverence is as useless as ever and the small amount of Spellvamp heals for a pretty low amount. Cho'Gath's passive massively outclasses them both and renders them utterly pointless.

If anything, I would say Utility would be better early game and Defence would be better late game. Cho'Gath has always been a mid-late game champion for me anyway, and the new Utility tree just seems pointless when you get the same benefits and more from Defence.


I didnt forget, just later on the 9% isnt as important as 6(10)% cdr early on since you got your frozen heart, you wont be as much over 70% hp if your doing your job 3% regen is applies to the bonus regen from Force of Nature so its more than it seems, Spellvamp is kinda usueless on him but its still a better option than most other things (i went for the 1/10 gold just because im used to it), but having a free regen bead built into your spikes is a nice boost and gives your feasts a nice small heal.
Utility is more late game imo since you get the great 15% flash and teleport cdr and the reduced respawn time. Id go for Defense if the 3% would work with feast and the 3% ms wouldn't be conditional.
I think that Cho is a late game champ for everyone... i mean 900 true damage blasts ever 40~ seconds is just priceless (not to mention that you can 1v4 against a fed trynda, pretty farmed up caitlyn, brand and morde and walking away with 25% hp after tanking down cait and brand *cough aoe silence still almost op cough*).
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Temzilla (211) | November 29, 2011 2:10pm
Andele3025 wrote:
So def is more mid game cho power while utility again gives the late game monster godlike powers.


That's kind of backwards, but okay.
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Luther3000 (436) | November 29, 2011 2:08pm
Don't forget that you can now get 9% CDR at 18 and 3% Movespeed while above 70% health in the Defence tree, as opposed to 6% CDR all game and 2% unconditional Movespeed from Utility.

Perseverence is as useless as ever and the small amount of Spellvamp heals for a pretty low amount. Cho'Gath's passive massively outclasses them both and renders them utterly pointless.

If anything, I would say Utility would be better early game and Defence would be better late game. Cho'Gath has always been a mid-late game champion for me anyway, and the new Utility tree just seems pointless when you get the same benefits and more from Defence.
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Andele3025 (2) | November 29, 2011 4:29am
Just for note, the utility setup works too http://thefwcentral.com/lol/#&trees=0-0-4-0-0-4-0-0-0-1-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-1-3-0-0-4-0-0-3-1-0-0-4-0-1-3-1, defensive doesnt give much in comparison to having old flash cd (its like 4-5 seconds difference) and starting 10% cdr. The 2% spellvamp can be noticed, 2%ms is always welcome and regen is great for mid late game and kinda helps with early game.
So def is more mid game cho power while utility again gives the late game monster godlike powers.
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Brandtheone | November 28, 2011 9:18pm
I very enjoy this guide, after playing Cho for a few games, I find him very, appealing, to be a gentlemen. I usually rush for the gold/health items, which is very useful for late game, it is very interesting to see myself 4-6 times larger than my allies or enemies. Once, I teloported to an ally in aid after being ambushed by 3 heroes. I was able to take them all head on with only a loss of 2k health, (that time I had over 4k health). Rupture, scream, and than I had a delicious turkey leftover.
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Luther3000 (436) | November 28, 2011 2:03pm
BiigDogg wrote:

Both your mastery Sections Need better explanation or correction. They're outdated or dont make sense. but + for build explanation and play style.


Got him to update them for you. =)
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BiigDogg | November 28, 2011 11:46am
Both your mastery Sections Need better explanation or correction. They're outdated or dont make sense. but + for build explanation and play style.
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cass | November 28, 2011 8:53am
Nice guide. I'm just starting out in LoL so I'm reading guides like nobody's bidness.
I've read guides that "sound" good, but when it's game-time, they don't work so well. At least not for me. But this one works like clockwork! Grazie. Molto Benne!
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redoer3 | November 26, 2011 5:07am
masterxiao wrote:

I don't understand why Vorpal Spikes > Rupture? Vorpal Spikes is pretty useless unless you consistently autoattack while rupture can do a lot of damage at max


You want rupture to stay low cost because the stun is important. It lets you escape, immobilize, etc. Adding points to it makes it expensive.
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masterxiao (1) | November 25, 2011 7:31am
I don't understand why Vorpal Spikes > Rupture? Vorpal Spikes is pretty useless unless you consistently autoattack while rupture can do a lot of damage at max
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Soulbeatz (1) | November 23, 2011 4:38pm
after several times of me trying out Cho, I finally learned how to dominate. :D maybe carried the team early mid-game. your build made me OP. nice build. ^-^
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koffeelord | November 22, 2011 2:53am
great build. Far better than many of the others on mobafire
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Briefcase Bunny (2) | November 21, 2011 4:11pm
I have to say, this is the guide that made me want to buy and play as Cho. Thank you for the inspiration, and there are a few grammar errors but +1 anyways
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MissMaw (618) | November 18, 2011 2:03pm
I've never used Cho'Gath, but this guide is so well-written and nicely-detailed that Im going to give it a +1 .
Brilliant.
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PotatisFarfar (110) | November 16, 2011 3:03pm
need to figure out new masteries now...

And thank for all the support.

Btw dorans gives you a stronger early game, something Cho'gath does not really need.
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Andele3025 (2) | November 15, 2011 4:45pm
Daikyu - dorans are never worth it, specially not for late game champions, better be kinda passive (only last hit) in lane and ask for your jungler to come from time to time for pressure than getting them for a stronger early game. I usually even start with boots 2hp 1mana pot instead of dorans ring since a 10-15 boost of damage isnt worth it and mobility is always great.
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Basilio | November 14, 2011 12:13am
It's harass and harassing not herras and herrasing just to note.
great build I like the pointers abtw
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Daikyu | November 14, 2011 12:04am
Fantastic guide!

I just started playing Cho'Gath. Since I learned to last-hit with E, I've been getting a lot better at farming, so I may try rushing Rod of Ages again. I just wanted to get an opinion on whether anyone thought starting with 3x Doran's Ring might be considered a valid substitute for RoA. I saw it done in a Nunu guide that also opposes getting RoA immediately (he's no pro either), and I've found it to be very effective for bridging to midgame/Frozen Heart.
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OblivionWraith (5) | November 13, 2011 7:40pm
Wait, so the Gentleman's Guide is a Tanky AP Guide, right? I know it's a stupid question, but I just wanna make sure so that I can adjust my gameplay accordingly
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Shadowsphere | November 11, 2011 10:23am
I would maybe suggest having the individual items you get and not just the full item. Like I get catalyst and boots then RoA, but just a suggestion.
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Andele3025 (2) | November 7, 2011 4:44am
Who said you had to be a pro to put down Rod of Ages? - you dont, cho will just be lackluster in comparison if he had it.
Rylai's provides decent stats on Cho. It's fine on him. - You waste Crystals passive and it doesnt give mana, cho can get starved in a pretty fast fasion. + what are you gonna do with 15% slow on w and e? frozen mallet is better option if you want the slow (again in stats sunfury/rod give much better overall stats).
Wits end is ok, but far from useful for his role...
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Embracing (347) | November 6, 2011 4:35am
Andele3025 wrote:

A) Rod of Ages is a MUST, no matter how good you are, if your not on a pro level, get it, since a Cho without it after death is pure squish.
B) Crystal scepter gives too low boosts for Cho
C) Wit's End is if you wanna troll - Malady is twice as good if you want attack speed since you will need FoN later on in the game + it shreds mr from the enemy

Completely disagree...

Who said you had to be a pro to put down Rod of Ages?
Rylai's provides decent stats on Cho. It's fine on him.
Wit's End is a good item on him.
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Andele3025 (2) | November 6, 2011 4:01am
A) Rod of Ages is a MUST, no matter how good you are, if your not on a pro level, get it, since a Cho without it after death is pure squish.
B) Crystal scepter gives too low boosts for Cho
C) Wit's End is if you wanna troll - Malady is twice as good if you want attack speed since you will need FoN later on in the game + it shreds mr from the enemy
D) If you really wanna have more mr get abyssal - it benefits the team and boosts your spells.
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Araerker | November 5, 2011 11:46pm
I've been using this build on my last matches with Cho and I need to say that it's very good. :)
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sorge88 (1) | November 5, 2011 4:10am
wow this build is OP ^_^ i main cho and after using your guide i bought gentleman cho gath :D good day sir
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techmarine123 | November 4, 2011 4:28am
cut out rabbadons
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mightychin | November 3, 2011 11:37pm
nice guide <3 chog
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DeDovla (6) | November 3, 2011 2:34pm
Wow this build and guide rock! Look at my scores.I love Cho so much now thanks to you (and HotshotGG ^^).



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PotatisFarfar (110) | November 3, 2011 9:41am
Thornmail is inferior to all the other armor items.

And summoner spells are kinda personal preference :3
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Nykout | November 2, 2011 2:07pm
Realy, very nice guide, but i wanted to say 2 things. You forgot to mention Thorn mail in optional items, and i tried ghost instead of flash and it realy works very well for running to weakend enemy and NOMNOMNOMing him up. But as i mentioned before realy nice guide.
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PotatisFarfar (110) | November 2, 2011 9:05am
but then you ruin the point of doing the snowball build :3
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hippy3773 | November 2, 2011 5:16am
In the snowball build would it be viable to swap leviathan with rabadons deathcap to get a little extra ap for more attack?
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Applebeam | November 1, 2011 8:36am
Best guide ever! <3 :> +1
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Andele3025 (2) | October 27, 2011 9:36pm
Epic build but id go for sunfury after Rod of Ages and Merc Boots, lets face it, your team is gonna do some **** to get you killed for no real reason (eg. you call dragon they run as soon as they see 1 champ and then noc charges in and fiddle caw caw caws in your face - still got dragon FEAST FTW) and lower than 6 stack cho cant take hits really well... and the aura gives you a good teamfight bonus.
(build - Rod, Merc, Sunfury, FoN, Frozen Heart/Morelos, Abbys/Aegis, Rabadons)
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PotatisFarfar (110) | October 25, 2011 1:01am
It is meant as one big troll also :3
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GrandmasterD (503) | October 24, 2011 12:03pm
Seems like a pretty solid guide which is greatly in-depth, very nice guide. Personally, I am not a big fan of Exhaust as I don't really see the point of it but you have explained everything clearly so very nice.

One remark, am I supposed to take "snowball cho'gath" seriously? It seems like a big troll to me.

Anyway +1, and I hope you will take a look at my Cho'Gath guide as well ;)
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DeDovla (6) | October 24, 2011 11:35am
WOW! I scored a quadra kill in ranked with this guide (I'm currently a low elo player,but it is a great confidence booster for me ^^):

Stats:
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GoodWeatherForAnAirstrike | October 23, 2011 9:11am
That build is great for sure. Good job.
Anyway, i like starting with regrowth pendant and turning it to force of nature early, just after boots of speed, later on guardian angel, mercury treads and glacial shroud/wit's end usualy in that order. I max E what helps with such an easy farming what is most important and healing back, i keep on autoattack harrasment if enemy comes close. With such hp/5 regen and your passive i can easily outplay singed that way and the very most other champions. The problem comes when i'm top vs good garen, it's rather problematic but still works. Real trouble begins when top is udyr, rumble or lee sin, who usualy can outdamage my autoattack dmg output and then i'm gonna try your skill sequence ;) i also prefer switching magic pen marks to attack speed marks and hp quints to exp quints, as you are solo top that gives you pretty nice boost with exp masteries.
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Crustaly (1) | October 16, 2011 12:40am
very very nice guyz and easy to understand from a ''newby''.I love this hybrid style and the phase where all have to attack me or attack my team and i kill them all with my skills ;] rabandons hat works extreemly good in TF. thanks for this guide mate. hope u make more in Future and same successfull
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Crustaly (1) | October 16, 2011 12:40am
very very nice guyz and easy to understand from a ''newby''.I love this hybrid style and the phase where all have to attack me or attack my team and i kill them all with my skills ;] rabandons hat works extreemly good in TF. thanks for this guide mate. hope u make more in Future and same successfull
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PotatisFarfar (110) | October 4, 2011 5:37am
@toco

Thanks for the feedback.

1. This is more of a guide for solo queue. And based of personal experience Rod is kinda core if you wanna carry your ****ty team.

But yes. Banshee is a great optional item for it.

2. I still think the description i wrote fits. I really think that item is **** on cho'gath. The slow is really weak because all of his spell are aoe. And they shuld be nearly dead when you ult any way...

3. SV is a great counter to Ap indeed. Great and underrated counter item.

4. Well you shuld only solo or jungle with cho'gath so yeah.

5. Thornmail is just inferior to Frozenhearth and randuins. Hell i think even sunfire is a better choice

6. I know and it is coming in my next update of the guide ;).
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toco123 | October 3, 2011 7:29am
PotatisFarfar, to improve your guide I suggest:

1. Rod Of Ages should not be the core item, but rather its lesser, Catalyst the Protector.
As a tank, or off tank, you should be versatile enough that if in a case where you are up against Heavy AP/CC, you should keep the Catalyst for late levels so you do not waste the Passive, and purchase 2 Negatron Cloaks. Continue your build, building one into a Force of Nature and finish the Banshees Veil at lvl 18.

2. Update the information on Rylai's Crystal Sceptor. While it is not apart of a normal build, it is a great situational item. If your team is lacking CC, it is important to get this as not only will increase the Crowd Control on your Rupture and Feral Scream but also it processes on your Vorpal Spikes, acting like a Frozen Mallet. When playing Ranked, this kind of support from a tank is extremely beneficial, especially when it boosts your HP and AP also.

3. Spirit Visage is only a viable situational item in a solo lane against an AP champ during the laning phase. Its worth keeping till the end as it benefits you in every way, and provides you enough Magic Resist to build up your Frozen Heart.

4. Gold/5 items are really only viable if you are soloing or jungling Cho'Gath. Jungle Cho'Gath does this very well by purchasing armor+pots, then returning for Regrowth Pendant and on next back can get get Heart of Gold, Philo Stone and Ninja Tabis/Boots. This will give him lots of sustain and lots of gold.

5. No sign of Thornmail in viable items. Another situational item that is important if their team are heavy AD, especially since you have so much health which means before a thornmail, they can poke you for lifesteal, while after they'll end up prodding themselves to death. Obviously Frozen Heart is priortized first however.

6. Wits End is a great item on Cho'Gath. Makes his autoattack do a **** ton of DPS while giving you **** ton of magic resist. Cheap item with lots of benefits on Cho'Gath, even better than Nashors Tooth. Its a very effective late game item not to be ignored.


Otherwise, great guide.
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PotatisFarfar (110) | September 25, 2011 3:51am
Happy it all worked out for ya :)
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Syloe (3) | September 24, 2011 8:15pm
Nice build, great guide, easy to follow.
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negoxy | September 24, 2011 6:08pm
14/8/13
and
16/6/17 with this build, awesome
+1!
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Zombiethekid (1) | September 24, 2011 12:46am
Used this guide while defending a turret in Dominion. It really helped me keep a good grasp on my post.
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osdmtp | September 23, 2011 3:43am
Somehow when i play this way with cho i go full build and then sell dorans for guardian angel... and 100% win!
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Greyspell | September 22, 2011 12:38am
I love your guide and use it frequently. The only alteration I make to the build is taking 3/3 in perseverence and 1/3 point in good hands.

I also exchange force of nature for thorn mail if the enemy team has 3-4 AD champions.

On the subject of force of nature I read a piece on why banshee's veil is substantially superior to force of nature and decided to give it a go but became frustrated with the lower magic resistance and lack of movement speed increase. The increased health regeneration also gave me a lot more staying power which I found essential when playing solo top especially when used with 3/3 in perseverence. I completely agree with your choice of force of nature.
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PotatisFarfar (110) | September 20, 2011 3:56pm
K thanks ^^.
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VacatioNx (3) | September 20, 2011 2:00pm
''Yes i said aggro, it does not only exist in MMO's. The biggest *THREAT* will most of the time be the biggest target for the enemies. /Ninja poke''

Just a spelling error I found at first glance.

Nice guide besides that, keep up the great work!

+1
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Rynoh | September 20, 2011 12:04pm
Help me alot! thanks!
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SiNNeR92 | September 20, 2011 10:39am
great guide for my favorite champion!
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PotatisFarfar (110) | September 20, 2011 10:33am
Yupp. Gonna add it as soon as i get around to it ;)
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Hofik | September 20, 2011 7:34am
Have you consider building Wit's End? I played few games with it. I had Rod, Boots, Frozen and FoN and i was thinking about abyss or hat then I thought what a hell. I saw Wit's End on Cho played by HotShootGG. There must be something in it. And it was good.
I mean some a.speed for your Q and turret push. Some magic resist flat and this stacking up too 4 giving you 50 m.def. And the price is nice. When it's time for loose or win and you dont have gold for Hat I would recommend going for it.
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Chebella (1) | September 20, 2011 2:09am
looks very nice, i go and try to play with it =)
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PotatisFarfar (110) | September 17, 2011 3:12pm
I feel honored.

My firt spam <3
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hacked | September 17, 2011 12:00pm
2 Weeks ago i discovered a page to register me for league of legends with getting 6800 RP.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eq7bpVNU6U
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Baxxie (12) | September 17, 2011 10:54am
I totally agree.
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qwaseder91 | September 16, 2011 4:02pm
By far the best cho guide out there, no one elses comes close in terms of actual content and the detail you've put into every aspect. Must have taken a lot of time and appreciate the effort you've put into sharing this with everyone.

Massive +1
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Sebas0101 (1) | September 16, 2011 12:18pm
2º time in this post, just to tell some things
First, it actually is a great opening to go for philosopher stone, but i only recommend it if you have the seals of resilience, and if you don´t want mercury´s treads, so you upgrade it to eleisa´s after rod of ages. after the recent patch its more viable.
i went 10/3/19 with this and works. Specially with ionian boots of lucidity
I already said this, but i have to say it, nice guide!
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bitpik (52) | September 16, 2011 7:50am
Good build i also play cho'gath :D
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ZerezX | September 15, 2011 6:31pm
It's so much of a great build almost everytime i play it i do well thank you a lot for making this build !
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PotatisFarfar (110) | September 12, 2011 10:13am
Yupp.

Gonna uptate the guide with wit's end.

Just to lazy ;)
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Scikan | September 11, 2011 4:51pm
Great guide! i think it is very effective (not having tried it yet) the build i use ( i usually solo top) its pretty much like this but i go for Wit's End instead of rabadon...

I use flat magic res blues instead of per lvl... i dunno i find it more effective early on to solo like that and get a kill or 2...

as i said: nice guide ;D

Keep on Owning

Scikan
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Caosso09 (1) | September 8, 2011 9:35pm
Great build!
Too bad there are so many fail team mates in the world. =(
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ThaHood (16) | September 8, 2011 4:42am
Nice job, great work. Really helped me understand the mindset of this void monster
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Sh4kezula (2) | September 7, 2011 5:50pm
I love the build! I don't really like the skill sequence though. I like to go Q,W,E then keep switching off Q and W until they're both maxed then I max E. Even with that, this is still the best guide for Cho.

One thing though, in other viable items there's a grammar mistake. For Spirit Visage it says "It have" when it should say "It has" or "It synergizes".

It's nothing big and it's understandable.
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Bluepanox | September 4, 2011 7:48am
awesome build using the defensive masteries 8/2/17
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Symphunny (31) | September 2, 2011 10:24pm
Can i refer to this build on my junglin cho build for laning? o.o all credits and crud will be given :3
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sjaggy | August 30, 2011 3:14pm
I seriously love this build, haven't played on many other ways with cho yet but damm this rox. It feels like a good balance between Ability Power and still being able to take pretty much damage.

+1
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PotatisFarfar (110) | August 30, 2011 2:39pm
You all make me so happy :3

Thanks for the possitive feedback <3
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Sebas0101 (1) | August 29, 2011 7:52pm
the best cho guide without doubt, I always have this build in mind when playing cho, and good idea of maxing first W, I used to max Q.
I still have my doubts about soloing, but is just personal preference.
+1
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Zepherith | August 29, 2011 6:18pm
Find the build great although I usually find myself getting warmog early-mid game just because I need to make sure my team knows I wont be squishy as hell and allows me to survive ganks or at least take some of them out with me. Other than that great guide if you wanna be the giant tank at the front that can go toe to toe with three other champs, win, and survive even when ignited. Also I know how you feel about visage it's better on Yorick than anyone else, but very useful on Cho if the enemy is harassing you too much for you to keep yourself sustained on your HP regen. Also great choice with death cap and vorpal spikes first, those two things can be the difference between a strong cho or just a random beefy useless bug.
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p00pster | August 28, 2011 11:56pm
I love this build. Super tanky cho'gath that can deal out tons of damage. If I could, I would give this 2 thumbs up. +1
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Dajl | August 28, 2011 6:01am
love this guide!
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FakeTuga | August 25, 2011 6:03pm
excellent cho gath build. really gives the tank and ap necessary for gg. nice +1
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Alicon (1) | August 25, 2011 2:47am
Got 7/2/13 , epic build
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AmethystRockStar | August 24, 2011 11:31am
It's funny how I never read this guide when I first started playing LoL and Cho'Gath (my first char). Now that he's my best, I do all this stuff already. So good to see it proven in such a pro guide :D

PS: Junlge Cho is totally insane! Favorite way to play LoL

Finally, I would just note that I'd never start with a doran's ring. I get AP quints and start with a regrowth pendant which works better in my opinion as I tend not to spam my skills and use cho's great passive and his E to harass. My jungle cho even has AS reds on him which is really fun for clearing a wave while you're being harassed and not caring because the minions are dying faster than they can do damage to you :D
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BillyThePsycho | August 24, 2011 10:27am
Really love your guide and Cho thinking about voting still , just made the account to ask actually

When would you start with Doran's Ring and when with Regrowth perdant for Philo ?

I also do not understand why you do not add any Hp items like Rylai's i would suggest that item on Cho since the Vorpal Spikes will slow too and it will increase your slow potential from Rupture and add an easy slow on Feral Scream so that you can net it with an easy Rupture

Also i would suggest that you put up an addition that says which characters would you be afraid of in solo lane though in my experience as Cho only the AP ranged ones were a bit of a problem (reason to avoid solo mid) but oh well
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PotatisFarfar (110) | August 21, 2011 5:47am
@Virusal

Not really anthing wrong with it ^^. Rammus can be a bich :). Just that other targets have priorities most of the times.

And i am kinda lazy now with school starting and all. Not so much work going down into the guide ;S. But thanks for the top.

@Roos

If you want moment speed. Get the MS quinsts ;). Nothing wrong with them really. Just feel like the other boots are way better.
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Roos | August 20, 2011 3:18am
Really nice guide, what is your opinion on boots of swiftness?
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Virusal | August 19, 2011 5:33pm
The Teamfight section:

Never Nom Nom Nom a tank. Uhm, I just met Rammus, he went hardcore tank with like.. almost 270 armor 200 mr or something, the others were over half hp, but he was close enough to be Nom Nom'd, so I did. Is that bad? I mean, his ultimate took great amounts of dmg on my teammates so I tried to nuke him down and I did. The others died too except for 1 I think.. :p

Btw, love the build, but can you add another build on this? with the Doran's shield or something and the newcomer kind of build so they don't have to go all the way down to the skilling sequence and then to the recommended items and then back to skilling, etc? Would be a lot easier :) Well.. I don't need it though because I memorized it all xD

+100 ( If possible <3 )
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SydneyGamer (1) | August 16, 2011 8:40pm

omg this sucks so much!


and yet you voted +1 -.-
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odb84 | August 16, 2011 3:35am
+1

always built cho with mercury/ninjas --> warmogs --> atmas --> force of nature... +rest

but i will now try the more "off-tank" version of your. looks nice
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Tavix Ravil | August 14, 2011 1:19pm
"Never count on your team to do anything."

Not only did I like the guide and the build, but I like your style and the fact you know teammates can't always been counted on. Thumbs up (^-^)-b
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PotatisFarfar (110) | August 13, 2011 11:46am
NicknameMy wrote:

look at the guide: Frozen Heart,Randuin's Omen,Zhonya's Hourglass

Sunfire doesn't work because at 6 stacks cho'gath is bigger than the range of sunfire^^.


Still a great item against an Ad heavz team just based on stats other then the flame ;).
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NicknameMy (153) | August 13, 2011 1:06am
look at the guide: Frozen Heart,Randuin's Omen,Zhonya's Hourglass

Sunfire doesn't work because at 6 stacks cho'gath is bigger than the range of sunfire^^.
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Etek3 | August 12, 2011 12:35pm
against heavy AD teams force of nature wont work witch other item would work? sunfire cape or warmogs?
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MTaur (19) | August 12, 2011 1:51am
When I do Snow'Gath for the lulz (only in bot games), I get triple Doran's Ring before building boots, Leviathan, and Mejai's. Triple Doran's Ring is sort of the complement of the snowball items here - a little boost to health+AP that doesn't hold up long-term. After I rake in some kills, I sell the rings to make room for other stuff.
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Posigen (7) | August 12, 2011 12:55am
is 15/2/12 good for my first game with Cho Gath? :D thanks, is an amazing build and Cho Gath will be one of my mains
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YelmBoss | August 10, 2011 4:10pm
I think ryalis is better after RoA since when u see a 3/4 hp squishy champion [you know you will almost kill it with ur combo] u need ryalis for some autoattacks[E] and maybe another W or Q
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Symphunny (31) | August 9, 2011 1:52pm



But why wuld you take the inferior choice? ^^. Rupture damage is nothing. If you hit it, they will die any way. (from team damage.)

And if you miss it, you just missed alot of damage... And don't say "I never miss" Becouse we all miss ;)



SixSonatas wrote:



You do a lot more consistent damage and save mana with ranking Scream and Spikes first. Rupture is only used for utility since ranking it burns more mana for barely any damage; if they scaled the slow with ranks, I'd maybe get it for more utility, but it only scales the damage, which isn't worth it compared to Spikes or Scream.


hmm i never thought about that. i guess im more used to having my teamamtes CC em before i land rupture which hits 90% of the time. i guess it all comes down to personal reference.
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SixSonatas (32) | August 9, 2011 1:48pm
Symphunny wrote:
and yes, i would take rupture over vorpal spikes.


You do a lot more consistent damage and save mana with ranking Scream and Spikes first. Rupture is only used for utility since ranking it ranks barely any damage for no utility; if they scaled the slow with ranks, I'd maybe get it for more utility, but it only scales the damage, which isn't worth it compared to Spikes or Scream.

If you hit a Rupture, you can get several Vorpal Spike procs off, which is why non-scaling utility is not good to rank at early levels.
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PotatisFarfar (110) | August 9, 2011 1:41pm
Quoted:
and yes, i would take rupture over vorpal spikes.


But why wuld you take the inferior choice? ^^. Rupture damage is nothing. If you hit it, they will die any way. (from team damage.)

And if you miss it, you just missed alot of damage... And don't say "I never miss" Becouse we all miss ;)
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Symphunny (31) | August 9, 2011 1:26pm
Syarsor wrote:

I think you should take abbysal after boots. Furthermore I don't think you need a force of nature; better take smth like zhonyas hourglass. And last i feel that rupture is more important than silence, just learn to place it well and you will do massive damage ;)

i dont get why people downvote just because the build sequence is weird or different from what they prefer. players should always build accordingly to the enemy composition. i wouldnt build abyssal if i went against an all AD team.

and yes, i would take rupture over vorpal spikes.
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lefze (6) | August 7, 2011 9:44pm
Great guide :D

+1 :P
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Tr4c3r | August 5, 2011 6:22pm
Just started playing Cho'Gath, I like that you put out what you thought was best and when people argue you tell them why. It may not be the best build but atleast there's a chance you know what your talking about :)
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Crovan | August 4, 2011 11:01pm
I played Cho for the first time in awhile and happened to make a very similar build (Mercs, RoA, Warmog's, FoN, Thornmail, and Rabadon's). Went 22/5/18. That is all. Their Brand was absolutely terrified of the Cho by the end after I had eaten him 7-8 times in team fights. Nice guide!
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Etek3 | August 4, 2011 6:43pm
i get wrecked so idk what im doin wrong =( either my teams are lame or its me lol
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PotatisFarfar (110) | August 4, 2011 4:02pm
@Etek3
Both work great ;)

@Nanatsu

Great thing with cho'gath, it doesn't really matter ^^. Items after Rod is totaly optional.
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Nanatsu Shiki | August 4, 2011 2:17am
Great build, the item order rocks, especially if you're running mid. In mid, however, I choose to START with feral scream, move to vorpal, then hit up rupture, then scream scream, and feast. This is because of the deceptive range on scream, and the fact that you can really sustain the lane if you time it for a massive amount of last hits.

As said in the guide, the burst damage on scream is what really makes this build.

My final little note is that I tend to put Rabadon's last in the item order, unless I really need the burst damage right that moment.
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Etek3 | August 3, 2011 5:03pm
would it be more easier to tank with cho'gath with the deffense masteries or it dosent matter?
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PotatisFarfar (110) | August 2, 2011 4:28am
Thanks! All of you.

It is a great achivment for me reaching 90%!

Remember when i was down in 70% thinking of giveing upp.

Much love <3
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TheJohn (73) | August 1, 2011 5:48pm
Incredible. Man, this is one of the guides that I enjoyed reading.

It doesnt have tons of idle text, its positioned in a great way.
Its well explained.
The builds are great.
The skill order makes sense and you even gave an explanation to convince players.

Nice job.
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Kevtan | July 31, 2011 9:25pm
awsome build
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spawn1511 | July 17, 2011 7:23pm
good stuff. great base. no one will agree 100 percent but i can take what u say and run with it... the gentlemens way NOM NOM NOM
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TheTallGnome | July 16, 2011 1:07am
Ah, I see your Swedish.
Well, this guide really saved me when I had to pick Cho'Gath in a ranked game, becouse of the lack of a proper tank.
So yeah, if you want to, I can fix the grammatical errors in your guide, to make it even more enjoyable to read.
Instead of a +1 that is, as I can't seem to get the rating to work.
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jhoijhoi (1881) | July 15, 2011 9:25pm
Constructive Criticism:

1) Rupture > Vorpal Spikes?

2) Okay, fair enough English isn't your native language, but it takes minutes to install spell check for text boxes. Regardless of your native language, I believe "i" is always capitalised when you use it to refer to yourself. "I" as opposed to "i". You want to convey to the reader that you are professional and that you spent time on the guide.

If for some reason you can't download a spell check, or it is too hard to copy+paste it into Microsoft Word, then try and get someone to go through it for you.

3) "I will not go through what the abilities do." *sigh* You're not the first to say this, and this won't be the last time I say this, but, "You just look lazy". That's the honest truth.

Guide Writer: Yo, play [insert champion here] and learn him/her yourself, I ain't gonna waste ma time on Ability Explanation.
Me: ... but didn't you write the guide to help readers learn [insert champion here]?
Guide Writer: Pssshaw. Searz said it was k, so it is k, mmk?

4) :/ Over use of exclamation marks. Are you really shouting all those sentences?

5) Your quoted sections look bad... Add the author, add some colour or something.

6) Runes section looks great. I'd suggest adding in an extra column in the middle with the word "space" coded black to add space between your columns.

7) ^ same suggestion for all columns throughout your guide.

8) If you had an abilities section, most of your "tips" would go there under the skills.

9) Please run your guide through a spell check :( Your guide has been recommended 4 times, and new guide builders are looking at your guide and thinking that your guide is the standard, your guide is what is expected to get a recommendation.

10) Great "Team fights and late game" section.
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Ezi0Auditore | July 15, 2011 2:49am
Awesome +1
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jørgensen | July 14, 2011 3:40pm
not ap cho but proc-cho!... it works vs bots :P!
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FallenDemise | July 13, 2011 2:56pm
orfe4s wrote:


so why you vote +1 if it sucks noob


It was clearly a joke. I wouldn't call him a noob to this site either ;)
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Mistreal (1) | July 12, 2011 6:05am
great build got 24/5/10 first time with this build :)
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orfe4s | July 10, 2011 8:50am

omg this sucks so much!

so why you vote +1 if it sucks noob
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Awesome Pwnage1 (8) | July 8, 2011 5:29pm
For all of us that love Totalbiscuit's work, it's pronounced Cho'ball Snowgath not Snowball Cho'gath. :)
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RadiancePadex | July 6, 2011 1:36am
it will go perfectly, i will try it, i LOVE jungle <3
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PotatisFarfar (110) | July 5, 2011 2:50am
Working on a jungle guide, just need some1 to fraps me ^^.

And this guide is gonna stan quite still, to lazy and can't be bothred with LoL at all right now!
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NicknameMy (153) | July 3, 2011 5:36pm
Ehm, do you know what cho can do even better then jungling? Solo Laning!
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Lazukin (63) | July 3, 2011 5:29pm
18/3/8 with this build, although I jungled.

Also, for jungling purposes, I used
AS Reds
Armor Yellows
AP/Level Blues
Health Quints
1/14/15 Masteries

Started with Ruby Crystal, first b bought Elixir of Fortitude and 2 health pots, then did blue.

This allowed me a somewhat fast jungle, getting level 5 at 5:20 and allowing me to start ganking. IMO Cho is wasting potential if not in the jungle. His ganks are too good to pass up. +1 anyway though, good guide and build.
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NicknameMy (153) | July 3, 2011 9:02am
Ah, and buy Heart of Gold after Boots of Speed. I don't like to waste gold...
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PotatisFarfar (110) | July 2, 2011 6:06pm
Hmm noticed that, gonna fix it when i get around it.

Takeing a brake from LoL now...
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NicknameMy (153) | July 2, 2011 1:38pm
Ehm, with feast you get bigger then the range of sunfire cape...

V1.0.0.103:

Rupture:
Cooldown reduced to 9 from 10.
Mana cost changed to 90 at all levels from 80/90/100/110/120.
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AbEnd96 | July 1, 2011 8:48pm
nice job
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Inyourzz | July 1, 2011 6:20pm
A so fking great build on cho'gath man. i tried it once and it was my first time with him, luckily i carried my whole team to victory with awsome dmg and great survivability ;) thanks !
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Krazy | July 1, 2011 6:41am
Oh, and here I thought I was the only one playing Cho like this :D Just dicovered this build not too long ago by myself.
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NoUnboundFreedom | June 29, 2011 11:23pm
Nicely done.
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AJ (2) | June 28, 2011 8:39pm

@AJ

The problem when it comes to lvling upp vorpal spikes early is.

1. You will miss out on the longer silence, that is really helpfull when you wanna gang, or escape.

2. You might be pushing the lane to mutch, without even knowing it, and pushing the lane is the last thing you wanna do against a 1v2.

That is bassicly the main points.

And Solo lane build = Solo lane build, even if it is 1v2. That silence is so golden when it comes to gankeing the duo lane. It bassicly gives you 3 secounds of a 2v0, if that makes sense...

I guess i culd do a more indepth section when it comes to 1v2 laneing, but the basics mostly are: Stay near the tower and last hit when you can. THis culd be a problem if your oppentents have good zoners, and know what they are doing. And if they do, it is really important that you do not attack the creeps at all, or ealse they will take advantage of it...


Ya your are very right on that. What I was thinking when i said that is also what i totally forgot to mention: I was thinking that a full 3 second silence is not really needed until your team starts getting into the full 5v5 team fights where you absolutely must be there.

I personally don't max out scream until level 12 instead of 9 because i find that on average, the full 5v5 team fights don't start forming until Lvl 11-13.
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AJ (2) | June 28, 2011 8:31pm
OMFG! With this guide i feel that I have finally mastered Cho. Last two games i went 16/3 & 9/3 and although i have gotten 13/0 like twice before a while ago when i used to rush warmongs... that was with a good team and a long game. And although the 9/3 game was with a good team, we shared the kills. Where with the 16/3 game i was the carry AND the tank. Not to mention I do soooo much damage now! Consistently too! The 9/3 game I was 3-hit combo-ing there Ashe, Twitch, & Swain all from full health. When I played Cho awhile ago straight tank I only recall 3- hit combo kill once on a ryse when ryse was still squishy. Thanks for listening to my ramble. And although when i started going AP I built it VERY similar it was something subtle in this guide or the build order that shot my Cho game through the roof! THANKS for the help!
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oaiewfoiawhef | June 27, 2011 6:44am
This build works! I just used it in my first non-bot game ever and went 8/1/11 (and that one death was just user error because I'm a newb)! Sub'd in Thornmail for FoN since their team was AD heavy. +1
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PotatisFarfar (110) | June 27, 2011 3:00am
@AJ

The problem when it comes to lvling upp vorpal spikes early is.

1. You will miss out on the longer silence, that is really helpfull when you wanna gang, or escape.

2. You might be pushing the lane to mutch, without even knowing it, and pushing the lane is the last thing you wanna do against a 1v2.

That is bassicly the main points.

And Solo lane build = Solo lane build, even if it is 1v2. That silence is so golden when it comes to gankeing the duo lane. It bassicly gives you 3 secounds of a 2v0, if that makes sense...

I guess i culd do a more indepth section when it comes to 1v2 laneing, but the basics mostly are: Stay near the tower and last hit when you can. THis culd be a problem if your oppentents have good zoners, and know what they are doing. And if they do, it is really important that you do not attack the creeps at all, or ealse they will take advantage of it...
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AJ (2) | June 26, 2011 11:40pm
Great take on AP tank Cho'Gath. However, I think you need to go more in depth on skill order. You have solo and you have dou, but what about 1v2 lanes? I say this only because in a group of friends that I play with, one always has to jungle, and one always has to solo 1v2. Guess what... It's ALWAYS me.

This is where I find it very, VERY important to level vorpal spikes up to at least 3 in early laning phase. Vorpal spikes costs no mana to use and it makes quick work of clearing minions at your turret. This seems to be the only option because you want to always have enough mana for a Q->W combo in case you get jumped and because you can forget getting in range to get off a scream before they jump you and unleash everything that they got. This same thing applies alot of the time too when laning 1v1 against someone like Miss Fortune. Not to mention Vorpal makes last hitting way easier.
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zorritoloco | June 26, 2011 9:51pm
oh ****!!, the build rocks and the damage is sick :D. Really nice build
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DaHazmo | June 25, 2011 7:44am
I was surpicous but i went with cho cause of his skin =D
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AKATSGOODS | June 25, 2011 6:57am
Best Cho gide ive seen. +1
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Rayboy900 | June 24, 2011 7:43pm
GENIUSE! this build got me a 3-0-5- in a 3v3 we won ofc. and my carry was Legendayr! excellent build! the only thing i changed was force of nature for thronail becuase we wer facing tryn. ashe and akaly they ended up killign themself LOL! good@ vote up
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PotatisFarfar (110) | June 20, 2011 2:27am
Yeah, with the addition of tenacity items, other boots will prob be viable, just need to test it out more, and i am not in the cho'gath mode i am used to...

Cho'gath jungle is mostly around control, and kinda strong ganks pared with a stun.
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Xenasis (164) | June 19, 2011 6:18pm
Actually, Lux used a surprisingly high number of her Qs to stop Cho!

Yeah, he did get that thing that upgrades from a Philo, but still, I remember you telling me they were terrible on Cho or any tank! I remember seeing them by accident and doing a double take.

Can't wait to see the jungle guide though, as you can remember, my jungle cho wasn't anything to write home about now was it :D

My excuse is -
I'm usually playing carry based (well, non-tank) junglers like Noc/Xin/Tryn/Shaco/etc!
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PotatisFarfar (110) | June 19, 2011 6:04pm
@Xen
Pfft, Fu HsGG :3 + in high tier play people wont waste CC on Cho'gath. Didn't see the match but i guessed he got another teneacity item ontop of that.

Meh, bit bitter now ;<

@Restofyou

Loveing the possitive feed back! Just need some frapsing and then my jungle guide will be upp running!
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Xenasis (164) | June 19, 2011 5:05pm
Oh, and Potatis!

Just watched that CLG vs Gamed!de match to see SaintVicious as jungle GP, but HSGG was using +3 Speed boots on Cho.

I told you they were good on him!
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Atki (1) | June 19, 2011 2:48pm
Sweet guide Potatis ! Owned my first game with Cho and this build !
Really rocks .. +1 and favorited ! :)
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YeImBoss | June 18, 2011 3:05pm
nice
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yeraldis | June 17, 2011 2:56pm
Went 7/3/18 my first match with Cho'gath using this build. +1
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PotatisFarfar (110) | June 17, 2011 1:10pm
@XLeagaultX

Ofc you will get tons of hp, and magic resist, and mana regen... Problem is: What point of hp if no1 attacks you?


And to the rest. Love the possitive feedback :) WIth some help maybe the avrage cho'gath player be a noob :)
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Piksel4o (20) | June 17, 2011 9:41am
Awesome guide, that's exactly how Cho'Gath should be played imo. This really is by far the best Cho guide I've read. Keep up the good work!
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XLegaultX | June 17, 2011 8:27am
btw WARMOGS IS NOT BAD FOR CHO AS A 1st item and i always rush for it and somtimes i rush for FoN if the other team is heavy ap and warmogs is good to rush ur hp will be very very high and ur hp regen combined with FoN and u will farm early game and u will get warmogs and it is very usefull and with mana problems i always get banshees veil after warmogs
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cartoonface (1) | June 16, 2011 9:40pm
Hey, I like your skill order, and your guide has helped me when I play Cho'Gath :) Works like a charm, skillorder; awesomefarm = insane lane sustainability. GJ :) voted +
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AK GoT SmarTz | June 16, 2011 5:22pm
very nice guide no bad comments only possitive, keep up the good work :)
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PotatisFarfar (110) | June 16, 2011 5:55am
@ Lodus

I don't even know what to say :3

I guess ty will do it!
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Lodus27 | June 16, 2011 3:38am
mi się bardzo podoba
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Yukimaru (56) | June 15, 2011 6:45am
+1

Tough i dont tested the Build myself so i have no rights to vote, i saw u often enough to rule the field with it when we playd together~
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PotatisFarfar (110) | June 14, 2011 11:25pm
I wuld love to proof read, the problem is that i don't find em. Feel free to point em out to me in Pm's. Wuld love the help!
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Explorifice (1) | June 14, 2011 6:05pm
Please proofread spelling errors. Otherwise, decent.
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PacifistRebel (1) | June 14, 2011 1:31pm
Fantastic build and excellent description. Not really how i like to play cho, early game money build, building into full aura *****, but definitely a great guide. GJ + 1
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DuffTime (670) | June 14, 2011 10:41am

Well frozen hearth is in recomended, it is not a bad item at all :)

And i just feel that banshee is kinda bad on tanks, mostly becouse most of the time the proc is wasted, situational at best!


I have to agree.

FoN really outshines BV on most tanks.

The only tanks who can make an argument for BV are the ones like Singed who come running into the CC to get their job done.

Even then, you have to assess whether the 8% move speed and HP regen would be superior, and usually, it is.
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PotatisFarfar (110) | June 12, 2011 4:19pm
That is recomendation from other veterans of this site :)

Bassicly if they think a build/ guide is good they can spotlight it!
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Xiron (112) | June 12, 2011 2:48pm
I don't think Cho'Gath is a "gentleman" *lol*

But your Guide is good anyway. +1
Whats this pic left to the votes??
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Meridianprime (32) | June 11, 2011 11:37am
I have seen many cho'gath using this kind of build order. Whenever im laning with them im either pushed back so I wont get combo'd or being unable to spell shield it cus of feral scream. If I would block that I get knocked up and get bitten in my behind.
Avoid at all cost...
Nice adjustments on the skill order!

Also so hard to land in any auto attack due to his vorpal spikes having a range of about ~400.

+1 for this
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PotatisFarfar (110) | June 11, 2011 11:02am
Well frozen hearth is in recomended, it is not a bad item at all :)

And i just feel that banshee is kinda bad on tanks, mostly becouse most of the time the proc is wasted, situational at best!
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Jebus McAzn (457) | June 11, 2011 8:50am
I'd like to see Frozen Heart and Banshee's Veil in the main build but I can definitely understand the reasoning behind Force of Nature. Frozen Heart is just amazing though, especially with the CDR. Hotshot uses that in his main Cho'Gath build, IIRC. Still, +1.
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x0Grimm0x | June 9, 2011 8:36pm
Nice guide. Nice to see a Cho'Gath build without a Warmog's Armor cuz you already have your ultimate to health points anyway :P
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Scrax (251) | June 8, 2011 8:04am
Just beastly. I've seen it in action. +1, +rec.
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PotatisFarfar (110) | June 6, 2011 6:40am
Great to hear ;D!

Love when people try something new and finds that it works!
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Elk Arkane | June 6, 2011 5:30am
I really like this, build, just played it and got 14/5/12 stats :D
+1
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PotatisFarfar (110) | June 4, 2011 9:32am
Who needs Gold per 5 when you can 1shot whole minion waves? Pfft
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Considereth (48) | June 4, 2011 7:43am
Where the gold per 5 stack PotatisFarfar? You tell me the truth!
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funnyBuilds | June 4, 2011 6:27am
little childern
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Dgladiator (1) | June 3, 2011 4:45pm
Slizer002 wrote:



See Potatis? FROZEN HEART! xD

Lawl...<3



Feasting upon your enemies every 37 seconds (with mana buff), totally worth it. <3 Also a great way to get your stack up, just in case your die. You should defenitely pick Frozen Heart over Randuin's Omen whenever you're carrying, which I was. The odds of you being the AP carry aren't big, at all, but it'll happen once in a while. Garen-tee you that.
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PotatisFarfar (110) | June 3, 2011 6:25am
wierd, i was sure i had it right, i was not going after MOBAFIRE, i was always double checking with http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Cho'Gath_The_Terror_of_the_Void

Something is fishy here dunno what...

And the utility of feral scream is still higher than rupture... Silence duration > dmg...

Hell, even solomids cho'gath guide says that mana cost is increased... Dunno wtf this is
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Ensign Epic (3) | June 3, 2011 6:12am
Rupture has a flat 90 mana cost, Mobafire's wrong, and Feral remains at a static 13 second cooldown regardless of level, increases in mana cost, and gets a pitiful amount of damage more, all with a lower AP ratio. Meanwhile by 3 points Feral Scream costs as much as a level 1 Rupture with not nearly enough utility. Seriously, check your facts first, Mobafire is not right all of the time.
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PotatisFarfar (110) | June 3, 2011 6:09am
@Dufftime

RoA is a great core item for cho'gath. Gives you the AP, mana, and health you need.

PS: I hate you now lols....

@Re4per

Reason i don't get rylais is that i think there is better items. I just don't see the need for the slow when your rupture already slows for 60%. The vorpal spike slow is minimal becouse it counts as AOE. Wich makes it kinda ****ty to be honest. And when it comes to Ap/ hp items there is better alternatives. I label it as a "Noob" item becouse it makes it easier to hit rupture nothing ealse.
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Re4per | June 3, 2011 3:39am
the reason why people get rylais on cho is because it works as a frozen mallet as well with cho, his vorpal spikes slow ur enemies as well. With this u can pretty much cc em to the ground. So dont count this as a noob cho item, its an item wich gives u some slow to catch that ashe who always speeds away etc. Plus I cant believe u forgot to mention shulryas veil in the optional ones. Great item for cho imo, manaregen, cdr, hp, hp regen and a great active.
Otherwise looks like a nice build, never did a skill sequence like yours tho, gnna try it out + ur build ( pretyy AP build tbf, but looks good )
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DuffTime (670) | June 2, 2011 11:40pm
I was with ya till RoA!

... Wait. That's your first real item =3

Ops, sorry, was never with ya xD
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PotatisFarfar (110) | June 2, 2011 4:24pm
Added it in item section <3
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Slizer002 (27) | June 2, 2011 3:54pm
Dgladiator wrote:

Tanky while being able to dish out a notable amount of damage. Love it. Upvoted. Quite an expensive build though. Wasn't able to complete it in a 52 minute game. Bummer.

My first time using this guide's build. Didn't look so well for us, but we won. I was more or less carrying the game.


See Potatis? FROZEN HEART! xD

Lawl...<3
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PotatisFarfar (110) | June 2, 2011 3:14pm
Haha that is epic m8! :D

I know it is expensive but as you sure know cho'gath is an awsome farmer! :D
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Dgladiator (1) | June 2, 2011 3:00pm
Tanky while being able to dish out a notable amount of damage. Love it. Upvoted. Quite an expensive build though. Wasn't able to complete it in a 52 minute game. Bummer.

My first time using this guide's build. Didn't look so well for us, but we won. I was more or less carrying the game.
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PotatisFarfar (110) | June 2, 2011 2:31pm
Way ahead of you Six!
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SixSonatas (32) | June 2, 2011 1:10pm
Only viable if playing Gentleman Cho'gath. That'll be $20, Potatis.
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Dotter (169) | June 2, 2011 6:47am
The gentleman's way is a beautiful way. <3

+1
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Melarith (12) | May 31, 2011 10:50pm
Scream + Vorpal will rape minions as well, with no mana cost :). If you're having difficulty reachingthe casters, you can just autoattack the warriors and enjoy the cone damage.
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Slizer002 (27) | May 31, 2011 4:55pm
Lawl, that I could forget to upvote! xD

Well, mostly I prefer to give blue to someone who REALLY needs it - but the whole runeset and rushing RoA gives Cho an amazingly strong early/midgame ^^

Your 2nd skilling order is prefered any day when solo top against 2 tho - because you can be damn sure you will just need to be able to land that Q on minions.. and tbh, that isn't too hard ;)
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PotatisFarfar (110) | May 31, 2011 4:13am
Well to be honest, i rather not waste a stat (mana) to get a little better of the other (cdr) Espacially when Randuins is superior in all the other ways.

+ i mostly carry golem buff, the cdr of that is just beast, and i don't have to buy FH.

Prob boils down to personal prefrence,

PS. Please upvote :3
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Slizer002 (27) | May 31, 2011 2:45am

@Slizer002

Well i guess it is a good item, but i never use it. Why? I just think it gets outshined by randuins in every way...

I don't need the mana, and the slow on randuins is stronger, and randuins give some hp to make up for the less armor. Just don't see the point of it over randuins ;S



... CDR? It gives a whooping 15% more CDR than Randuins = Faster feast stacks when/if you die. It almost caps you out along with masteries alone.

And generally I like Randuins more on most champs, but just Cho'Gath I find Frozen to be the far superior choice due to how awesome CDR is on him! ^^
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PotatisFarfar (110) | May 30, 2011 11:20pm
@Slizer002

Well i guess it is a good item, but i never use it. Why? I just think it gets outshined by randuins in every way...

I don't need the mana, and the slow on randuins is stronger, and randuins give some hp to make up for the less armor. Just don't see the point of it over randuins ;S
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Slizer002 (27) | May 30, 2011 4:56pm
ok.. Just explain to me this one thing - Why are you not even as much as mentioning Frozen Heart?

I mean that item is just like made for Cho! I really find everything on it to just be too awesome to pass out on! :o
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PotatisFarfar (110) | May 30, 2011 4:49pm
@awwsmm

I have a little brother of my own, i know how stupid they can be ;). It is np, i don't really care about score, wuld just be nice if the guide made it to the homepage so more people wuld see it...

@Sexyrob

Haters gotta hate ;) thx for vote ;)
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sexyrob (3) | May 30, 2011 1:25pm
good stuff
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sexyrob (3) | May 30, 2011 1:25pm
im a bit tempted to downvote because i hate your cancer avatar. but upvoted for /b/rogath
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kollu | May 30, 2011 12:19pm
Gave it a try and did very well almost got flawless not as much damage as my old build but i like living longer than 5 seconds in a team fight this is now my bread and butter for cho if it carrys on like this
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awwsmm (28) | May 30, 2011 10:07am
Sorry bout that, galgarn is my little brother..... unfortunatly. But I would like to upvote your guide except I can not because me and him share the same IP address. I actually like your guide but I am unsure if you have all the possible summoner spells, anyway he is pretty much flat out refusing to revote and for that I am sorry. I would have said +1
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PotatisFarfar (110) | May 30, 2011 9:35am
@galgarn

If you read the guide you will see that most of your problems is being explained and i even recomend rylais in some ways. I also have an alternative skill build upp for those who likes rupture more, and i explain why i lvl it upp last.

Sorry that you have to downvote, i hope you can read the guide and change your mind ;)
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galgarn (4) | May 30, 2011 9:00am
This build is off, the ranking up of feral scream may do you good but rupture is also very useful to rank up. The summoner spells make no sense for a mage offtank make absolutely no sense uless you really wanted the flash. Additionally Rabadons? Why not something that is more useful overall such as rylais crystal scepter? -1
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Yukimaru (56) | May 30, 2011 8:46am
Good guide, the FoN is just epic on him :>
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PotatisFarfar (110) | May 29, 2011 11:39pm
@Nighthawk

Let me start off by saying: I give an optional skill build in the guide.

Reasoning behind vorpal spikes > rupture is: Vorpal spikes is a more reliable way of doing dmg, 5 vorpal spikes will do the same dmg as 1 rupture, and you will prob hit people 5 times in a teamfight when rupture is on cd.

About the philo stone, i don't really need the mana regen, why? Becouse i don't lvl upp Rupture, and becouse of that, the mana cost of rupture stays low, and with a low mana cost rupture, all my mana problems can be solved by a cataclyst, i don't really see the point of any other boots than Mercery, i guess maybe ninja tabi but i personally hate those boots, in my eyes it is a waste of gold to get the stone.

When it comes to banshe, it is mostly only good when you are upp against a small number of pesky CC's or a strong ultimate like: Requim. I recomend it as an optional item, becouse it is on most tanks.

Randuins is mostly to counter ranged carrys, i recomend zonyas in the build, but don't really see the point of Frozen hearth when randuins does what the same thing, just better.

@Mela

Kinda agree, the only place were lvling upp rupture culd work is in a duo lane were you have a friend that can stun/slow the enemy. Becouse if a good enemy see it comeing, they will juke it!
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NinjaGinge (90) | May 29, 2011 11:26pm
I am REALLY loving this guide. I will keep it in mind the next time I play with Cho. The guide itself is fantastically organized and a pleasure to read.

Kudo's to you my good sir.
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Melarith (12) | May 29, 2011 11:05pm
Levelling Rupture first is only good if you're against a ******ed opponent, no matter how good you are with your skillshots, they will almost 100% juke it. Because it's so easy to. Even without boots, you can walk out the AOE if standing in its epicenter. So unless your laning opponent has Downs syndrome, there's no reason to really level this above Silence. Your Feral Screams is 100% guaranteed to hit all the time, and the silence scales with level! This means that, in most cases, you can walk up to your opponent, scream at them, and they won't be able to retaliate for a whole 4 seconds! This helps you immensely more than a higher leveled Rupture would, especially considering that Rupture does not have a guaranteed hit rate because of how easy it is to dodge. Your scream is both easy, and safer, to land.

Additionally, I see no reason -AT ALL- to get a Philo of all things. Why would you need a Philo when you have Carnivore? It's just a waste of gold, you won't be running out of mana or health anytime soon, and regen (especially one so tiny as the one rom Philo) will not do a difference outside the laning phase.
Consider also that you will get a very early Catalyst because you're getting RoA. Catalyst already gives you immense lane-stay.

Just no. Philosopher's is just an 800g that could be spent better on anything.

Banshee's is a good item, but I feel that it is outshined by FoN on most tanks, as you will have no real fear for *one spell*. Banshee's is good on carries and other things that die the same second they get stunned. Cho has his Merc Treads and rarely, if ever, is the target for CC. And if he is, then he can just wait it out.

Zhonya's is a great item in general, but I feel that the active is nigh-useless on Cho'gath. Why would you want to be hindered by the lockdown it gives? They're not going to focus you, and you want to disrupt the fight as much as possible, not stand still glowing in the middle of it. And if you REALLY want to get it, replace it with Rabadons. Randuin's active is just SOO GOOD.

TL;DR. There's no reason to level Rupture, unless your opponent is handicapped (alias normal games -.-)
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Nighthawk (675) | May 29, 2011 6:16pm
Okay so I like the build. I've always thought Chogath should be played more as a AP Tank rather then just pure Warmogs tank. FoN is really good on him, and RoA is just godly. Err, really good I mean. If you really want this to be a farming build though, you should take lvl 1 Vorpal Spikes and then Rupture. His silence just doesn't do enough damage early to justify getting it first.

You might consider getting a Philio Stone early (just makes you able to stay in your lane even better then FoN early) and upgrading it to Eleisa's so you can get Boots of Mobility or Swiftness or Tabi (philio stone + passive = lol regen). You could also consider a Frozen Heart or a Zhonya's instead of Randuin's. In any case, I would suggest getting Banshee's > Abysall. Doesn't really lose you much, and you gain an ossom spellshield that lets you get your ult off quicker.
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Considereth (48) | May 29, 2011 8:36am
ugly horse makes good guide, +1!
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Considereth (48) | May 29, 2011 8:36am
ugly horse makes good guide, +1!
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Considereth (48) | May 29, 2011 8:36am
ugly horse makes good guide, +1!
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Melarith (12) | May 29, 2011 7:49am
+1. In que atm, I'll ***** about what problems I had with the guide later. hf
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charasaki1986 (63) | May 29, 2011 6:58am
good work, (if not the best) one of the best cho guides, good work really
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Trojan995 (109) | May 29, 2011 6:55am
Great build, thanks for putting in the alternate skill build :)
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xeross | May 29, 2011 6:23am
wow, really good +1
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Bross (14) | May 29, 2011 4:36am
Good guide by a good player, i'm going to use this whenever I feel like roflstomping.
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Wintermond (189) | May 29, 2011 4:30am
I saw you carry my *** with this,
I saw you crunching Teams with this.
It's awesome.
+1
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Dante Rebellion (79) | May 29, 2011 4:27am
Awesome build, makes cho'gath alot more scary, lol at the person who said get abyssal after boots. WHY THE EFFF would he do that, you think people stack MR in the start? You want that damage and survival.

By da way... W>Q
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PotatisFarfar (110) | May 29, 2011 4:20am
Added optional skill build, i guess it works but not my rekomendation
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PotatisFarfar (110) | May 29, 2011 4:12am
To all complaining about rapture!

As i said, the only thing that gets better is the dmg!
I know how to hit it, ask anyone, the thing is that silence gets lower cooldown, CC duration AND dmg. And it is 100% hit chance.

@Syarsor

This is more of a tanky ap build. If i only went with Ap items it wuld not work as well ;)

@Zach

Yepp, when i started i also went with the crazy warmog stacking, i evovled from it and now i am a better cho'gath player than i ever was ;D
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zachreitz878 (1) | May 29, 2011 3:44am
Quite a gentlemanly build. I used to play Cho'Gath alot and I would always rush warmongers, which was great to learn how to tank because lets face it, a Cho with 5 warmongers and a force of nature is pretty much invincible, but then after enough games with good players I realized that the only thing this accomplishes is giving your team a giant scary bug that wouldnt die but also would do much other than not die. It was after that realization that I started playing Cho'Gath more as a nuker / tanker instead of a wall and got better results. +1 for sure!
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Syarsor (4) | May 29, 2011 1:32am
I think you should take abbysal after boots. Furthermore I don't think you need a force of nature; better take smth like zhonyas hourglass. And last i feel that rupture is more important than silence, just learn to place it well and you will do massive damage ;)
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Shrillex (39) | May 29, 2011 12:57am
I like the build
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wRAthoFVuLK (535) | May 28, 2011 10:55pm
omg this sucks so much!
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Trojan995 (109) | May 28, 2011 6:41pm
I'd upvote, if it weren't for the skilling order. At level 5, you'd have to hit someone approx. 5 times to deal the same amount of damage, which is unrealistic. level up rupture first. once you change that ill upvote.
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Crazy Smurf (47) | May 28, 2011 6:11pm
+1 because I love Aura Tanky Ez <3
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Adonikam (162) | May 28, 2011 6:03pm
Hate rabadons on him but the optional choices are great =D
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Dremu (24) | May 28, 2011 6:01pm
Very nice<3