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League of Legends Build Guide Author DuffTime

Duff's Competitive Tryndamere

DuffTime Last updated on August 17, 2012
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Roranora Zoro | November 1, 2012 2:02pm
I almost main tryn and man i feel like i just bought him again
A pep talk in a guide dude
i havent even played the heal ignite yet but oooweeee i cant wait
TYVM and if you have the time please check and rate my tryndamere guide
give input on where i need improvement :D
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Vapora Dark (424) | September 28, 2012 7:55am
Scrumfen wrote:

Im wondering Duff what do you think about going against a jax pre 6? I know after 6 its just pop your ulti and kill him but before 6 What should you do?

Kill him at lvl 1. Then kill him at lvl 2.
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Scrumfen | September 13, 2012 11:50am
Im wondering Duff what do you think about going against a jax pre 6? I know after 6 its just pop your ulti and kill him but before 6 What should you do?
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vjeetn | September 6, 2012 10:52am
reading this nice guide got me all worked up
very fun to read btw, but there i was..
pumped up, feeling all powerfull, getting my trynd out of the dust again.
setting the runes/masteries just like you said, reading up afgain on the right moves etc..
and there we go. start the game, pick the champ, enter my lane..

and there is fiora in front of me, i figured hey lvl 2 gank, but he chraged to me at lvl one, resulting me not getting fury, so first wave was ****ed, cause she did alot of dmg..

sadly disapointed how this has started allready i gave it some positive vibes and said
****it ! we go at lvl 3 then, first dual we do. horrible :s i don't even get her half way down

is there something i'm doing wrong? i have everything the same, you don't even mention fiora
on your guide, so i asume she should be piss easy
or am i so bad that i can't even be bother playing trin again?

every battle we had i lost, offc if she has 20% hp and i'm full i owned..
but who cares about that, i want what you promised ! :p
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GREE1EY (1) | September 4, 2012 1:01pm
Great work on build 3 lots of detail really liked it butthen again who doesnt like tryndamere haha
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mclovven | September 2, 2012 12:52am
Good Work. I liked how you explained advantages/disadvantages with good reason. Thanks
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DuffTime (670) | August 18, 2012 12:21am
Cheers mate! =]

Follow on Twitter/Like my facebook page for future updates, as I will be departing MobaFire in the near future.
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krazyorca | August 15, 2012 2:13pm
Duff, i made a Moba acc't just to say this guide is fantastic. I'm not the best LoL player, but i've crushed a few 30 teams with random pubs. Its fantastic!
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DuffTime (670) | July 29, 2012 7:15pm
Thanks man, and yes, yes it is :P
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DarkPercy (151) | July 29, 2012 12:38am
This guide is 10x better than the Apotheososoisodifoi guy Tryndamere guide (#1 atm). Oh god...

This is very refreshing and interesting. Gotta try it :3
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DuffTime (670) | July 19, 2012 4:01pm
:D!

Good luck :)
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Aarne | July 5, 2012 9:54pm
DuffTime wrote:

Thanks! :)

However I find Tryndamere to be a legitimate free win against Vladimir. If the jungler comes it can be sad times though.


Its sad times when Tryndamere gives up free wins because he let the *good feeling* rise to his head. Despite the feeling of invincibility being 90% true. ;) After another 20 or so ranked matches, I honestly believe I can raise my elo to 1300+ through Tryndamere alone. I do look forward to testing out your Olaf and Cho'Gath guides though. :p
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DuffTime (670) | July 3, 2012 3:53pm

P.S If you make a darius guide i will murder you. There is no worse feeling then shutting down your lane opponent only for him to dunk his way back into the game. I hate him so much.


This is exactly the kind of emotion that makes me a massive Darius fanatic >:3

Aarne wrote:

Loving the guide, Duff. In Normal matches, it is an absolute pub stomper. In ranked (11xx elo) it can be tricky against champions like Vladimir that have escapes that make it a little harder to get those level 2 crits!

You da man, Duff!


Thanks! :)

However I find Tryndamere to be a legitimate free win against Vladimir. If the jungler comes it can be sad times though.
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Aarne | July 3, 2012 4:42am
Loving the guide, Duff. In Normal matches, it is an absolute pub stomper. In ranked (11xx elo) it can be tricky against champions like Vladimir that have escapes that make it a little harder to get those level 2 crits!

Level 2? Awesome. *spins to win* *goes for crit* AGH ******** IT VLAD, WHY U POOL?

Although I believe its more or less learning when to be hyper aggressive and when to be aggressive and not pushing my lane. (Besides the initial level 2 trick)

With that said, I've only lost 1 match since following your guide and won about 15 or so. I'm thoroughly enjoying myself while playing your overly flexible and easy to remember builds. I look forward to when I unlock Olaf and Udyr to see how well those guides work out for me as well.

You da man, Duff!
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H4xDefender (108) | June 22, 2012 1:16am
Well good luck then sir, between all the jax, darius, udyr, olaf, and lee sins just ****ting all over tryndamere for free, I gave up trying to play him. Ive tried taking different summoners, changing up runes and masteries, and just nothing seems to work. Sometimes i'll completely outplay my lane opponent and get that great feeling of wrecking face, but more often then not i'll struggle to farm and or get wrecked by jungle ganks, generally at level 1 with all the new aggressive junglers. (Fk cow)

P.S If you make a darius guide i will murder you. There is no worse feeling then shutting down your lane opponent only for him to dunk his way back into the game. I hate him so much.
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DuffTime (670) | June 20, 2012 2:32pm
Will update, there are other things on the plate first :P
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Embracing (347) | June 20, 2012 3:44am
:D Yes please
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DuffTime (670) | June 20, 2012 2:04am
He can be a good pick against squishy champs.

I'll be revisiting Tryndamere shortly with new runes and stuff to see if I can't make him work again.
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H4xDefender (108) | June 19, 2012 6:52pm
I just don't see tryn as a viable pick top anymore with the FOTM top laners crushing him for the most part, and the fact that everyone brings ignite top anyway, is there anybody in particular you counterpick with tryn? (besides gp)
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DuffTime (670) | May 28, 2012 11:09am
:P!
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Futendra | May 22, 2012 6:15am
Wow! Very detailed guide! I can't compete to this, might want to check out my builds?
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DuffTime (670) | May 15, 2012 7:06pm
Yes it will come down to having the heal in most cases.

Tryn is reliant of crits, and heal gives you more exposure when you don't get them right away.
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SoapBark (5) | May 15, 2012 6:37pm
If you get TP, you can gank bot through ward and take dragon. Better than increasing your chances of snowballing the lane by a little bit. You can win the lane without ignight/heal.

In most situations, will the reason you snowball the lane come down to having the extra heal?

If you can get TP and still snowball the top lane, u can be even more effective!


I meant exhaust, not ghost in the earlier post.
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DuffTime (670) | May 14, 2012 11:00am
SoapBark wrote:

Ok duff, you say heal and ignigt are the best summoners on Trynd....well that is true if you are focusing on laneing 100%, but for the team i rather not pick heal/ignight...TP or exhaust flash/ghost would be wayyyy better for the team than heal = =...

Just saying, heal ignight is the best combo for 1v1 lane, but not ideal for team.


What's better for team, a snowballing Tryndamere top lane getting kill after kill, or a Tryndamere who is just farming but has a more useful late game summoner?

I'll take the snowballing Tryn.

Quoted:

For all I know Ghost and Flash don't benefit the team at all...
And what you're saying is a team who can't win their lanes can make comebacks which isn't true. The general events that happen while playing all come from the laning phase.


:D
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Embracing (347) | May 14, 2012 2:17am
For all I know Ghost and Flash don't benefit the team at all...
And what you're saying is a team who can't win their lanes can make comebacks which isn't true. The general events that happen while playing all come from the laning phase.
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SoapBark (5) | May 14, 2012 1:18am
Ok duff, you say heal and ignigt are the best summoners on Trynd....well that is true if you are focusing on laneing 100%, but for the team i rather not pick heal/ignight...TP or exhaust flash/ghost would be wayyyy better for the team than heal = =...

Just saying, heal ignight is the best combo for 1v1 lane, but not ideal for team.
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DuffTime (670) | May 13, 2012 8:10pm
^__^
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Moonshadow | May 13, 2012 1:44pm
I tried this out and went 13-2-3.
Went so bad for the enemy team. You got my thumbs up!
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DuffTime (670) | May 11, 2012 1:48am
<3 :D
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ryodemon2 (2) | May 8, 2012 6:11pm
Just reading this makes me drool over wanting to get and play Trynd. I have recently learned how to be aggressive, so Trynd would be a great pick for my next champ. Dufftime is awesome; you know it in your heart. :D
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DuffTime (670) | May 6, 2012 7:56pm
No they're 100% not mathematically better, they're actually worse, but thanks for your comment :)
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ExaltedVanguard | May 6, 2012 9:44am
I'd recommend attack speed runes over attack damage, for both marks and quintessences (never did the math for seals and glyphs. They're mathmatically better.

AS marks will give you more damage throughout the whole game.
AS quintessences will sacrifice a measly 0.5 damage at level one, but give you a good 15-20 dps boost later.

And this is only looking at basic attacks. Once you consider hitting faster means more on-hit procs and more chances to crit, there's no reason you'd want AD over AS.
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DuffTime (670) | May 4, 2012 7:03pm
Cheers man, good luck :)

Tryn loses to most champs with no crit bar, and beats most champs with it. Keep that keenly in your mind.
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centurion911 (3) | May 3, 2012 3:55pm
DuffTime wrote:

Yeah this build still works just fine.

If they exhaust you, just spin out. Exhaust for spin, worth it.

If you spun in, and you can just disengage and heal up, that's good too. If you can kill them anyway, just use heal before they ignite (If they have it)

Simply put, Heal beats out Exhaust early game unless they ignite early.


Awesome, definitely gonna try this out next time I go solotop
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DuffTime (670) | May 2, 2012 2:41pm
Yeah this build still works just fine.

If they exhaust you, just spin out. Exhaust for spin, worth it.

If you spun in, and you can't just disengage and heal up, that's good too. If you can kill them anyway, just use heal before they ignite (If they have it)

Simply put, Heal beats out Exhaust early game unless they ignite early.
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centurion911 (3) | May 2, 2012 1:00am
Just wondering, have you tested this build lately? Does it still work well?

Also, how would you deal with an opponent who exhausts you as soon as you move in at level 2 or 3?
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DuffTime (670) | April 28, 2012 11:12am
It's always the same.

Get rage bar, all in and full to zero your opponent.

If you can't do that, then you all in for harass and force them out of lane.

The only exceptions are certain match ups like Yorick, where his ghouls give you rage and whatnot, so spamming Q is just fine in that lane to stay healthy where you'll have plenty of rage to kill your opponent from full to zero.
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Kumlekar | April 26, 2012 8:19pm
I really like the guide, going to have to try it. I would ask for you to explain some of the matchup specific strategies, at the very least for playing against olaf andd ryze. You kinda over simplified that section by claiming that the lane is winnable but not giving much more info than that.

EDIT: Just saw the replay requests in the comments, and I would love to see some too.
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DuffTime (670) | April 26, 2012 6:12pm
Thanks :)
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xXFiddelXx (1) | April 26, 2012 4:19am
Awesome guide!!!
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DuffTime (670) | April 23, 2012 1:38am

Please do ^-^/


Wellp I'll look into it :P


Hey duff, love the look of this build. I dont really play tryn, but this build has made me wanna give him a go. i was wondering, are there any champions that work really well with tryn? Say viktor, aoe stun/slow 2 early game poke moves, or maybe a support to help him with that early game fury
anyway great build


Thanks man :D

Ehm not really TBH, you should consider more who you're laning against than who your teaming up with.

Aggressive team mates is nice, Jarvan and Leona and WW and things that want to go into a fight with you.
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KnucklesKiss | April 22, 2012 5:50pm
Hey duff, love the look of this build. I dont really play tryn, but this build has made me wanna give him a go. i was wondering, are there any champions that work really well with tryn? Say viktor, aoe stun/slow 2 early game poke moves, or maybe a support to help him with that early game fury
anyway great build
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devillmonkey | April 22, 2012 4:28pm
Please do ^-^/
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DuffTime (670) | April 22, 2012 1:44pm
I keep getting requests, so I'll consider it xP
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devillmonkey | April 21, 2012 8:59pm
Hey Duff :)

Great build, +1, but you can post some replays?

I really wanna see how you play :3
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DuffTime (670) | April 18, 2012 1:23pm
Well no matter how much a person wants to think like that, it's simply not true.

If you don't carry your bad team to victory, you're obviously not going to climb.

You have to force the wins, if you're expecting your team to force the wins, how can you ever possibly climb Elo consistently?

Everyone is bad, you just have to win even with bad team mates.
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xholyacc | April 17, 2012 7:29pm
the real problem is i have over 300 wins for season 2 rank, and over 200 win for season 1 rank. and how most of the game my team likes to feed the ad / ap carry is hillarious. on the other side after 1 or 2 death my enemy become smart
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DuffTime (670) | April 17, 2012 5:12pm
Yes well no flash is standard, because if you're using this strat, you don't take flash. Lol.

But yeah the runes make a HUGE difference.

I don't even play Tryn on my smurfs because of how massive AD runes will scale through crit.
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Wayne3100 (452) | April 17, 2012 4:58pm
Using this strategy on a smurf of mine, a bit hard without runes but so far it has worked pretty well.

A level 1 gank sucks though, no Spinning Slash, no Flash, nothing :P
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DuffTime (670) | April 16, 2012 12:14pm
Well mister xholyacc, you can't win every game.

I have a 67% win ratio on Tryn right now I think and a 70% on Riven (Less games played, that number will inevitably drop over time) in ranked, and all I can really tell you is that mastery of one champion is good, and flexibility of roles is good too.

AKA you might want to learn to jungle Tryn as well, so that you can play a champion you've mastered even when you don't get the solo lane.

Part of winning in Solo Q is empowering your team mates, because they are really awful and can't win on their own. They need to be spoon fed victories, and letting them have a champion/role they're good at means it's LESS likely that they will feed really hard. (They're all feeders at low elo, you just have to make the enemy team feed first)

Basically choose your pick, you can play one champion and need to get your role, or you can be versatile and play a lot of roles.

Also, you're probably doing something wrong to boot. If you don't have a positive ratio in normals, if you don't have over 500 wins, you might wanna get some solid experience under your belt before entering into ranked.
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xholyacc | April 16, 2012 12:22am
duff even using your guide i still cant win solo que, my junglers are sucks and i usually get camped. and the other lane usually lost to the enemy. am i doing something wrong or its time to give up on solo que? an i couldnt pick tryn all game everyone like want to get solo lane. can you give me some advice duff?
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DuffTime (670) | April 15, 2012 4:36pm
Cheers xP

Maw is pretty good as well, it's an option.
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hubbadubba101 | April 14, 2012 7:51pm
Great guide, +1 from me. People call me noob a lot for heal, then I laugh at them when i 3 shot them end game. Also- have you thought about using the new item Maw of Malmortius? It gives 1 extra AD per 2.5% health missing, so when you use your ult you'll essentially have 39 extra AD, on top of the 55 it gives you. Plus the MR and shield helps with AP nukers.
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DuffTime (670) | April 10, 2012 10:35am
JungleKing wrote:

Duff I seriously love your guides. Upvote for sure.


Thanks man :P

Personally I wouldn't get a second I.E, but I'm glad it worked for you xD

pikachrue wrote:

noice


no u noice ;o

utopus wrote:

so how does one counter Lux, as tryndamere. shes too free kills for your right arm


Kill her. A lot.
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utopus (298) | April 8, 2012 8:49am
so how does one counter Lux, as tryndamere. shes too stronk
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pikachrue (5) | April 7, 2012 10:01pm
noice
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JungleKing (13) | April 7, 2012 10:00am
Duff I seriously love your guides. It's not just that they work so good the other team actually cries but you see i'm level 12. So I can not build your masteries/runes. Ofc I can try to get close. My first time as tryn with your 3rd build, The one with the most damage was my best game yet. I got 33/4/8 and that was when their team was fed in the beginning. Ofc I did make one change that wasn't in your build. You see I had gotten a lot of money. I had the highest cs score/kills (not bragging just showing how) and I had 1 spot left so I got 2 I.E.
That got me more damage and crit than your build but still, Yours was very nice. I can get a ss for you if you need 1.

Btw My crits were something like 1k-1.4k with 80% crit chance so i am like, never questioning your 3rd build till I get experience xD. Also I've found that if you're new to tryn ryze is nearly impossible to beat without a gank and nunu is moderate difficulty but only if they are skilled. Upvote for sure.
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DuffTime (670) | April 3, 2012 5:21pm
Nice man.

Yeah Wriggle's is viable.

I use Wriggle's / PD when I fall behind in a lane, and that's a safe / defensive type build that can get you back in.

It's basically my fall back plan when I get ganked or lose my engages for some reason and have to passively farm from thereon out.
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IceCreamy (446) | April 3, 2012 3:14pm
What do you think, is Wriggle's still viable after the life steal nerf? It's not that Tryn needs it badly, he always has his Q, Heal and ult :p

But yeah, I gave a +1 a long time ago :b Glad that I got to try it out - had to 1v2 in the first game so I lost, but just now I kicked a GP's *** by starting cloth armor :)

Thanks! ;D
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DuffTime (670) | April 2, 2012 10:04am
Hi thanks for the comment!

Well, Caitlyn is not a counter. She's easy. Useless in fact, it's so mind numbingly easy to beat Cait on Tryndamere.

Thornmail isn't a true counter to Tryndamere. It can help and it can work, but it's not a counter.

Actually you can just stand and fight them. That's the whole point. You get full rage bar, and go for the kill between levels 2-4 depending on the champion.

If you 100% cannot kill them, let them push to your tower, and hit level 4, and try at level 4. Last hit on tower, get full rage bar, and go in balls deep.

Honestly, Olaf and Ryze are workable, the only champ I really struggle against is Lee Sin.
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Tryndamere2kill | April 2, 2012 12:49am
Hi. DUff
Thank You for the time you spent on the guide ... it was interesting as i am a main tryndamere player...
I have to admit that your playing style is very very aggressive .. probably the most aggressive tryn I have ever seen ... but when I finished reading the guide .... I got questions .......
1. Ok... You talked about the fact that tryn has counters ( you have mentioned Ryze and Olaf)
and you said with the spells of Heal and ignite , you can land early kills on them and able to win the lane... But there are loads more counters for tryn... as i will mention Caitlyn ... with your summoner spells ignite and heal.. If You want to kill her ... What can you do ? what can you build to counter her? Because of the fact that Caitlyn has traps and also the caliber net to slow you so when you trying to kill her and she can just get away easily and kite you ... (For instance Caitlyn got exhaust and Flash for her spells) In this scenario , whats your suggestions?
2. Another counter ... but not a champion --- Thornmail ... With your build that lack of MR except the one got quicksliver sash ... Tryn will get owned by that time if your opponent has it even you have little lifesteals ... what is your opinion on this ?
3. I understood the importance of early kills... it is like the first priortiy every game ... I totally agree with that ... you cant guarantee 100% early game kills because you get Mocking shout at level 4 and you don't have flash ... your only chance is to crit them and ignite them when low health ( you can't guarantee you crit them every time either) ( for example you got jarvan and cassiopeia on top lane, With very high harassment because of cassiopeia's poison and Jarvan's Dragon strike ) (Or another example of sion and another tryn one stun and one crit) Those example are very high damage especially sion and tryn ... they can kill you easily at level one and you don't have spinning... you just can stand and fight and use heal and can't get away... So how do you handle early harassment if you cant kill them ?
Sorry about my bad English ... and my questions are no offense .. I just want to learn more .... Thank you
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DuffTime (670) | April 1, 2012 5:25pm

I hate to say it, but this guide is really over zealous in tyrnd's ability to to win top lane. Right now he is bottom teir top lane champion. This build itself would lose top lane almost every time vs a competent top laner regardless of the champion there playing. Hell Jarvan could can come to lane at level one with 85 armor easy and afk farm top.


Cool story bro. You're probably really good at this game.

Skury420 wrote:

Really good guide. I bought Trynd, and lost a few tims with this guide, but around my third match I got the hang of it. I tried a few other trynd guide but this one fights my aggressive play style. +1


Thanks man, yeah it's got a bit of a learning curve eh :P
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Skury420 (3) | March 31, 2012 11:27pm
Really good guide. I bought Trynd, and lost a few tims with this guide, but around my third match I got the hang of it. I tried a few other trynd guide but this one fights my aggressive play style. +1
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KamakaziGumiBear | March 31, 2012 9:45pm
I hate to say it, but this guide is really over zealous in tyrnd's ability to to win top lane. Right now he is bottom teir top lane champion. This build itself would lose top lane almost every time vs a competent top laner regardless of the champion there playing. Hell Jarvan could can come to lane at level one with 85 armor easy and afk farm top.
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DuffTime (670) | March 31, 2012 4:43pm
Breadface wrote:

Also having problems vs. Rumbles who use ignite + flash and start with Doran's Shield.
Any tips vs. that?


Hmmm not really sure. I generally just crush Rumbles when their bar is low.


tarrunos wrote:

ok as an expert nasus player(not boasting just the truth :p) i can tell you for sure that whetever you do no matter how good you are a nasus with a rune page focused in armor and armor pene for the q counters trynda pretty bad and thats because of his wither spell.....you completely negate tryndas early possibilities of killin you with your armor runes and make it even more impossible once you manage to overcome your mana issues which is generally acomplished with one philo ston...farm up q acquire sheen and its gg for trynda and generally talking its gg no matter what the oppents are!


l0l.

u s0 wr0ng
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tarrunos (2) | March 31, 2012 4:20pm
ok as an expert nasus player(not boasting just the truth :p) i can tell you for sure that whetever you do no matter how good you are a nasus with a rune page focused in armor and armor pene for the q counters trynda pretty bad and thats because of his wither spell.....you completely negate tryndas early possibilities of killin you with your armor runes and make it even more impossible once you manage to overcome your mana issues which is generally acomplished with one philo ston...farm up q acquire sheen and its gg for trynda and generally talking its gg no matter what the oppents are!
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Breadface | March 31, 2012 5:02am
Also having problems vs. Rumbles who use ignite + flash and start with Doran's Shield.
Any tips vs. that?
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DuffTime (670) | March 29, 2012 12:10pm
;D
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MiguelSlowKnow | March 29, 2012 11:42am
Really good guide! Had fun playing it, but the other team didn't
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DuffTime (670) | March 29, 2012 9:48am
scarra. the #1 ranked player. He could carry every game without dropping a match even with DC's up to a 1900 elo range.
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Babriel | March 29, 2012 2:31am
Well the olaf did change at the last minute, but as akali i cant carry a clarity/ghost olaf. :(
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DuffTime (670) | March 29, 2012 1:07am
I mean, scarra could have carried it :P
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Babriel | March 28, 2012 5:09pm
DuffTime wrote:

Elo hell doesn't exist mane!

Don't blame your team for losses and don't take all the credit for the wins, be realistic when your team is doing something right or wrong, and when you are too. Yes, you will lose some games due to a team that was SO bad nobody could carry them, but a lo of "Elo hell" games can be carried.

Check my match history, if you're bored, and my win loss ratios with Tryndamere for ranked. The proof is in the pudding. Half of those teams were AWFUL TRASH and I had to hero mode carry them.

Damnit that was right for the longest while until i stumbled on some ppl in queue that i saw as just the kind of status "bought account off Ebay"
Had to dodge twice, TWICE IN A ROW, because they all chose squishy ap carrys and a jungle twitch with me locked as akali.

Edit: I also forgot to mention the second time there were 2 junglers locked, a twitch and an olaf
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DuffTime (670) | March 28, 2012 7:56am
It's up to the player to be honest.

In those cases where they take armor, I try to kill them around levels 2-5, and set them back slightly early.

During this time if they stack up 150 armor in lane, I'll go Zeal Last Whisper, finish my phantom dancer, and then build my I.E.
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Breadface | March 28, 2012 7:48am
Great guide, but I'm wondering that should you change AD runes for ARP, since most solo tops have starting armor of ~40 somethins even around 58 with cloth armor.
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DuffTime (670) | March 26, 2012 4:11pm
Great man, grats :D
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Moiny | March 26, 2012 3:17pm
Works just fine, easily won vs Irelia, hard time vs Lee, many ganks from mid and junlge(Karthus/Volibear). I just forgot the first b, when lanes work out I just don't b, but I couldn't kill Lee yet, so it might have been the best to buy vampiric and wards..
Here goes the screen from the first game!
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/560/tryndapenta.jpg/
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DuffTime (670) | March 26, 2012 10:09am
:)
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gangstano | March 25, 2012 3:52am
It worked like a charm! I got 4/0 and they surrendered at 20. A very helpful guide!
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DuffTime (670) | March 24, 2012 1:37pm

Very good guide.
Tried Trynd for the first time today with this guide and went
13/5/4
20/7/12
17/3/3
7/3/8
23/4/8
16/4/3

Not to mention I won all those games


Nice man, grats!

Sir Denwo wrote:

Haha, this guide is like.. inspiring! I generally use the same playstyle and somewhat same build but I go cleanse exhaust. I'll definitely try out Heal Ignite again. I used to use it when I was a low summoner level tryndamere. :3 Great guide :D


Thanks man, cheers ^_^
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Sir Denwo (1) | March 24, 2012 10:12am
Haha, this guide is like.. inspiring! I generally use the same playstyle and somewhat same build but I go cleanse exhaust. I'll definitely try out Heal Ignite again. I used to use it when I was a low summoner level tryndamere. :3 Great guide :D
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jonathanchou711 | March 22, 2012 8:20pm
Very good guide.
Tried Trynd for the first time today with this guide and went
13/5/4
20/7/12
17/3/3
7/3/8
23/4/8
16/4/3

Not to mention I won all those games
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DuffTime (670) | March 22, 2012 10:31am
Vamp scepter mobility boots zeal :P
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NewPlayer | March 22, 2012 1:07am
When you do end up jungling Tryndamere, how do you adjust your build?
Is it like:
Cloth + 5 Pots (or VampScepter?)
Boots
Wriggles
Greaves
Zeal
Infinity Edge
or how do you do it?
And take Ignite/Smite as summoners I guess.
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DuffTime (670) | March 18, 2012 6:34pm
Cheers! :)
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One4You | March 18, 2012 5:36pm
Found this to be an incredibly effective build. Thanks.
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DuffTime (670) | March 18, 2012 12:52am

wtf this build is hardly complete and its sorta not showing the main purpose of tryndamere. he is to farma dn kill but he is a high damage champ and there is no point in building items like quicksilver when u can two-hit champs for the kill


I'm not trying to be rude, but this comment was far less complete than my guide.

If you're going to critique my work, at least consider the things that you're saying.

Now, you're absolutely 100% wrong, and you're entitled to your own wrong opinion and that's fine. I assume you aren't the one with the 70% Tryndamere win ratio in solo Q.

Temzilla wrote:

Items after Zeal+I.E+vamp are situational.

No point in building damage when the entire other team has 400 armor.


Well then you just get LW and keep building damage.
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Temzilla (211) | March 17, 2012 6:34pm

wtf this build is hardly complete and its sorta not showing the main purpose of tryndamere. he is to farma dn kill but he is a high damage champ and there is no point in building items like quicksilver when u can two-hit champs for the kill


Items after Zeal+I.E+vamp are situational.

No point in building damage when the entire other team has 400 armor.
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isaacwong12 | March 17, 2012 6:24pm
wtf this build is hardly complete and its sorta not showing the main purpose of tryndamere. he is to farma dn kill but he is a high damage champ and there is no point in building items like quicksilver when u can two-hit champs for the kill
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DuffTime (670) | March 15, 2012 8:19pm

Duff raping everyone in NA ranked isn't going to make more people upvote the guide. You have to stop. You're going to break the game.


WHAT AM I DOING. OH NOOOO!!!
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Phoenix0000ff (78) | March 15, 2012 8:01pm
Duff raping everyone in NA ranked isn't going to make more people upvote the guide. You have to stop. You're going to break the game.
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DuffTime (670) | March 15, 2012 5:20pm
Cheers :)

I ban Lee sin. Lee is Trynd's hardest counter.
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Babriel | March 15, 2012 4:32pm
4 win streak transformed into me being sad :( got shut down as trynd by voli and lee sin top
But it all helped so tyvm lol best trynd guide out there.
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DuffTime (670) | March 15, 2012 3:42pm
At a higher Elo following the meta game matters, but not until like 1700.

-1700 = just stomp people with your best champions ;P
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Babriel | March 15, 2012 2:25pm
Lol wow dude you just showed me my problem.
Im trying to follow the meta well but tbh i only need to have a ranged for mid on the team all else can play whatever.
That might be problem, just got lucky without any major feeds and won 3 games.
Shen OP.
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DuffTime (670) | March 15, 2012 2:02pm
Yeah it does go wrong, because they're bad.

I am higher Elo because the lower elo's are so easy to beat. I'd never go down too far, eventually I can only go up, those lower Elo players are too easy to win against.

Two of my wins were 4v5's. 1400 is so easy for me. In fact, my Elo is still far too low, I will continue to climb for a long time to come I believe. I'm guessing if I continue to do ranked, that I'll land somewhere around 1700-1900, get stuck for a while, and then gradually improve my way into platinum.

And it will fluctuate, rise and fall along the way, but eventually it will climb.

ALSO, don't pick for team composition in low elo. It's useless. Let people have their "Best roles" because they will be less likely to feed, and then just pick your best thing. Mine happens to be Tryndamere, and I solo top or jungle him every game I can.
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Babriel | March 15, 2012 1:43pm
Its just that something always goes wrong.
Someone feeds and then chain reactions into their ad carry getting fed.
Then i see im the only one with any armor and im like build wardens mail its cheap will save your *** from that ad carry.
They take one look at it and say its trash, then move on to die 5 more times at which time ad carry is too fed for wardens mail alone to handle.
Not gonna rant about noobs and wardens mail though, sometimes you just CANT counter them either, which is totally legitimate; all i was saying was that some people just feed a first blood off a mistake and just let us lose for free basically cause they play sloppy, which is just stupid.

And not to call you blind or whatever, but you ARE a higher ELO where a larger amount of the time everyone knows at least "oh ok, 3 of my teammates are dead, and even though one of their champs is at 15% health im not gonna dive in and try to get that kill when they're already ahead."
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DuffTime (670) | March 15, 2012 12:46pm
Elo hell doesn't exist mane!

Don't blame your team for losses and don't take all the credit for the wins, be realistic when your team is doing something right or wrong, and when you are too. Yes, you will lose some games due to a team that was SO bad nobody could carry them, but a lo of "Elo hell" games can be carried.

Check my match history, if you're bored, and my win loss ratios with Tryndamere for ranked. The proof is in the pudding. Half of those teams were AWFUL TRASH and I had to hero mode carry them.
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Babriel | March 15, 2012 12:00pm
Haha thanks.
Im probably low elo since im actually negative wins due to the abysmal nature of solo queues.
I've lost at least 100 games since some teammates cant team fight or let the tank do their job, among other ****.

This game needs a solo mode or something.
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DuffTime (670) | March 15, 2012 10:31am
Babriel wrote:

Great guide Duff!
Just destroyed a Mord solo top with this build(he was a noob and built thornmail early)
I was like Randuins is better and hes like thornmail works, then rushed randuins lol.

Also, do you get flamed for using heal alot? This akali was literally whining the whole game about how i used heal to get kills.

Thanks for the guide!


Cheers, and yeah keep at it man!

Flamed for heal? Not in my normal games. My normal elo is around 1800-1900 I believe, since that's the kind of player I usually find there.

Ignite Heal Tryn is understood up there, it's respected more. It's never respected ENOUGH but it's respected more than you'd think. People call for more ganks because I have no escape summoners. Which is fine. I can either crush lane or force jungler top, either way I'm satisfied.

In ranked however, I've only just started out for Season 2. I've gone from 1330 to 1440 in 3 days and it's been ****ING hilarious. The kids at this Elo are so amazing. They flame ANYTHING and EVERYTHING, they just rage constantly.

My best advice is, just tell the flamers to stop, and if they don't, tell them, "Sorry, I have to ignore you because your flaming is distracting me from the game." And just put them on ignore. Play your game.

You're welcome! Enjoy :)


I run Heal Exh trynd, I feel its more effective against champions who have a disabling CC you are trying to kill early on as your W and Exh combined is just too much for them to escape, even if they have a stun/snare of some sort. Is there any reason you run heal ignite over heal exh?


Yeah, Ignite is just better for landing kills and the 5 AD is sweet early game.

Exhaust isn't bad, I just prefer Ignite for snowballing games and nerfing down heals for kills.

Nada wrote:

I used to use exhaust so many times on many heroes, it was good both in attack and defense, but ignite is better (offensive). Think that it deal pretty much true damage, it decrease hp regen to half and, with the mastery, give you 5 damage and 5 ap. It also have shorter (like half) the cooldown.


The short CD on Ignite is what makes it my every game Tryndamere summoner. It's too short TBH. Kinda OP.
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Nada | March 15, 2012 3:54am

I run Heal Exh trynd, I feel its more effective against champions who have a disabling CC you are trying to kill early on as your W and Exh combined is just too much for them to escape, even if they have a stun/snare of some sort. Is there any reason you run heal ignite over heal exh?

I used to use exhaust so many times on many heroes, it was good both in attack and defense, but ignite is better (offensive). Think that it deal pretty much true damage, it decrease hp regen to half and, with the mastery, give you 5 damage and 5 ap. It also have shorter (like half) the cooldown.
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H4xDefender (108) | March 14, 2012 4:10pm
I run Heal Exh trynd, I feel its more effective against champions who have a disabling CC you are trying to kill early on as your W and Exh combined is just too much for them to escape, even if they have a stun/snare of some sort. Is there any reason you run heal ignite over heal exh?
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Babriel | March 14, 2012 2:28pm
Great guide Duff!
Just destroyed a Mord solo top with this build(he was a noob and built thornmail early)
I was like Randuins is better and hes like thornmail works, then rushed randuins lol.

Also, do you get flamed for using heal alot? This akali was literally whining the whole game about how i used heal to get kills.

Thanks for the guide!
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DuffTime (670) | March 14, 2012 9:42am
They are better than Thornmail. :P

Thornmail sucks 90% of the time.
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Nada | March 14, 2012 5:10am
Yes, items like frozen heart and randuin's omen may be better then thornmail cuz they slow enemy attack speed.
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DuffTime (670) | March 13, 2012 10:12am
XaNDeR47 wrote:

Hiho rly nice guide!
I would like to see some replays of you destroying the enemy like that!
It would help me to rly see what u describe in your guide.
Upvoted!


I might eventually get around to posting replays, I'll keep you posted!

As it stands, I don't do it because the critics are always there ready to pass judgement.

"Ohhh that opponent is so bad, Ohhhh look at those noobs feeding you. Ohhh blahblahblah"

It's happened in the past when I shared videos, it will happen again. People in this community are often times faster to pass negative judgement on a person than positive judgement. My replays of Tryndamere make most of my opponents look legitimately awful, and even sometimes when they are 1800-2k rated players they still look like trash.

Anyway, I'll consider it. Thanks for the comment. :P

Nakanuro wrote:

First of all, great build.
I however wonder how you deal with a teemo with exhaust, a champion which isnt really killable early game.


Teemo is not a counter to Tryn, and he can easily be killed at levels 2-5

Zeeq wrote:

Duff why E before W, you dont really need e to do dmg. You use it to close the gap between you and your enemy. As a solo top i always max Q R W E And then i get full rage and use my W hit them and spin away for harrasment. Sorry for my poor grammar <.<


I explained this before, if you're doing your job properly, your lane opponent doesn't exist. He's a minion that you farm whenever your rage bar is full.

You're just gonna be diving him unless jungler camps you anyway, so tell me if W works on towers please? Hmm.

E's cooldown reduces as you sink levels into it. Meaning it can be used exponentially more often for damage and mobility, which will aid in chasing and escaping.

If you're getting fed, it's be absolutely foolish to level W before E, it would be like getting a bunch of kills and buying a chain vest instead of buying more damage. It's a complete waste of potential.

Seeing as the entire point of taking Heal/Ignite is to get fed, clearly I'm not going to advocate that. Maxing W after E is for cleanse/ghost or cleanse/exhaust Tryndamere builds. This is not one of those builds.

Nada wrote:

You said armor for 3k, maybe the randuin's, but thornmail is 2k, like last whisper, and should always be taken in a game against ad champions like tryn, yi and others.
Anyway, you are right to say that last whisper is the counter to high armor, and i may add, since you are tryn, you are most likely to get it 2ice faster then any of your enemyes will get thornmail.


Thornmail is a **** item though, so if they buy that then I'm happy as a clam.

I don't see how being Tryn will affect my ability to get LW. :P
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Nada | March 13, 2012 5:17am
You said armor for 3k, maybe the randuin's, but thornmail is 2k, like last whisper, and should always be taken in a game against ad champions like tryn, yi and others.
Anyway, you are right to say that last whisper is the counter to high armor, and i may add, since you are tryn, you are most likely to get it 2ice faster then any of your enemyes will get thornmail.
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Zeeq | March 12, 2012 12:22pm
Duff why E before W, you dont really need e to do dmg. You use it to close the gap between you and your enemy. As a solo top i always max Q R W E And then i get full rage and use my W hit them and spin away for harrasment. Sorry for my poor grammar <.<
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Nakanuro | March 12, 2012 5:34am
First of all, great build.
I however wonder how you deal with a teemo with exhaust, a champion which isnt really killable early game.
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XaNDeR47 | March 11, 2012 3:31pm
Hiho rly nice guide!
I would like to see some replays of you destroying the enemy like that!
It would help me to rly see what u describe in your guide.
Upvoted!
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DuffTime (670) | March 10, 2012 3:09pm
Hahah I dunno I facepalm every time that I log in xD

Thanks though! :D
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MajorLoL (114) | March 9, 2012 6:09pm
79%? That's just plain silly, how can this guide be so low! It's an awesome guide, and you got some real nice builds here. It's unfair how effective they are.
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DuffTime (670) | March 9, 2012 10:06am
Yes lad. That it is.

Poppy is harder than Yorick IMO.
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xholyacc | March 8, 2012 4:03pm
duff, its so hard fighting yorick or poppy with armor rune
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DuffTime (670) | March 8, 2012 10:08am
Thanks, although you can't link that there so you ought to remove it before a mod sees it.
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Vitigam (33) | March 8, 2012 6:12am
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DuffTime (670) | March 7, 2012 10:53am
Yeah, that happens a lot. Ward it up and sometimes when you get really big you can just kill them ;p
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xholyacc | March 7, 2012 4:36am
i've trying this build, and being camped because of top lane cant hold me o_O
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DuffTime (670) | March 6, 2012 4:49pm
LEe Sin, Renekton.. They can both do it ^_^
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Mallahet | March 5, 2012 12:01pm
DuffTime wrote:

You can't. **** solo Q, that **** is abysmal. I'm not platinum yet for a reason.

So that's why I never have fun there.. That explains things.

Any other champs you think that could benefit from a heal/ignite/super-aggro playstyle? I tried Irelia with my Tryn setup (but AS/On-hit instead of Crit/Damage) this way for ***** this weekend and it seemed to work well.
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DuffTime (670) | March 5, 2012 10:03am

Excellent work. A real quality guide +1. Personally I would add Gangplank as a counter to Tryn along with Ryse and Olaf. I have never, nore ever seen a good GP lose a lane to Tryn. Thats my two cents.


Thanks for you feedback.

On the flipside, I have never lost to a GP or to a Ryze with Tryn.

tehAsian wrote:

Duff, how can I explain to the noobs in my Elo that Heal Ignite tryn is good? Last time I had people dodge queue D:


You can't. **** solo Q, that **** is abysmal. I'm not platinum yet for a reason.


I'm still getting used to him, last matches with this guide are 8-1-5, 6-5-1, and 1-3-1.
Good Build!

+1
Rep +1


Cool, congrats :)


Hey, follow up note... if your interested i'd like to test both GP and Garen against your Tryn builds to see if they can win the lane against you. My name is the exact same in game so let me know.


Sure, I've been busy but send me a PM and maybe we can work it out.
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MrDangerhart | March 4, 2012 8:12pm
Hey, follow up note... if your interested i'd like to test both GP and Garen against your Tryn builds to see if they can win the lane against you. My name is the exact same in game so let me know.
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EPICLegendz (1) | March 4, 2012 1:34pm
I'm still getting used to him, last matches with this guide are 8-1-5, 6-5-1, and 1-3-1.
Good Build!

+1
Rep +1
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tehAsian (247) | March 4, 2012 11:54am
Duff, how can I explain to the noobs in my Elo that Heal Ignite tryn is good? Last time I had people dodge queue D:
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MrDangerhart | March 4, 2012 10:58am
Excellent work. A real quality guide +1. Personally I would add Gangplank as a counter to Tryn along with Ryse and Olaf. I have never, nore ever seen a good GP lose a lane to Tryn. Thats my two cents.
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DuffTime (670) | March 3, 2012 10:37pm
Thanks for the feedback, but the is absolutely no way that Brawlers are better than boots, not for running, not for chasing, only for hard engages, and you already win those anyway because you're Tryndamere.

You must be able to fight your fight, not their fight!

Also, healing is not an escape mechanism :P
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shargrat85 (1) | March 3, 2012 2:34pm
I love your guides so much :))) I' ve tried your Olaf and now i' m trying your Trynda. You are very gifted, you make good guides. I follow your advics, but my my firs item is brawler.
IMHO it's better than boots becouse when becomes to first fight it's rare situations when your oponent is fleing. Since you got one point in Q and brawler into your inventory, lasting fight give you high chance to land crit or two. Somebody may ask what about your escape mechanism? It is simple Q equals instant healing and you ve got as your summoner spell healing - it's make you tough at the begginig stands to reason!
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DuffTime (670) | March 2, 2012 11:58am
>;D
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MissMaw (618) | March 2, 2012 11:34am
ohnuthing, just kinda lame.. wish i could +1 it more than once :3
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DuffTime (670) | March 2, 2012 11:27am
-.-'?
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MissMaw (618) | March 2, 2012 10:58am
-.-'
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DuffTime (670) | March 2, 2012 10:09am
By saying sry bro, with no other explanation, I can only assume you have downvoted.
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Mastermann98 (2) | March 2, 2012 7:13am
sry bro
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DuffTime (670) | March 1, 2012 9:32am
Cheers ^_^
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subcast | March 1, 2012 3:53am
tnx for the tips because now i'm much better with trynd so manny tnx from me ;D
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DuffTime (670) | February 28, 2012 10:31am
:D Thanks!
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teemoish (2) | February 28, 2012 5:57am
Nice guide i need to try it
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DuffTime (670) | February 26, 2012 7:03pm
^ Dissss guyyyyy.
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nomad93 (4) | February 26, 2012 1:55pm
NOMAD WHY U NO GANK TOP, MY LANE IS EVEN WTF MAN. WHY U GANK BOT GET A KILL BUT NOT HELP MY LANE...IRELIA OP MAN...GG NO JUNGLE
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DuffTime (670) | February 25, 2012 2:37pm
Yeahp, AD Sion is stronger than people realize.
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Cervance (4) | February 24, 2012 10:18am
Dufftime, you've forgotten about the terrors of AD Sion, haven't you? Just get an armor page for him, buy Warden's Mail and Atma's Impaler and troll away with Cannabalism. Sion can even take Tele and get Dragons for his team. Pre-6, Sion has a stun to stop Tryn's damage too.
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DuffTime (670) | February 23, 2012 9:54am
Okay well work out a time and whatnot and I'd be glad to try it out.

A lot of higher elo players think Shyvanna beats Tryn in a shoot out.
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THEeePokerPlayer | February 22, 2012 10:02pm
hey I would like a challenge my bros Shvyanna recks me I am not that good would love to see you 1v1 him xD

I like your build btw.
Xendojo is my friend
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DuffTime (670) | February 22, 2012 4:08pm
fridykarn wrote:

Me: troll you can't get kills that easy in lvl2-4 with trynd solo...
Me after trying: OMG WTF, HOW THE HELL!!!!!!

Ty for an awesome guide. my first 3 games playing trynda 13/7/7, 22/3/6, 8/0/9


You good sir, are welcome :D
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fridykarn | February 22, 2012 1:45pm
Me: troll you can't get kills that easy in lvl2-4 with trynd solo...
Me after trying: OMG WTF, HOW THE HELL!!!!!!

Ty for an awesome guide. my first 3 games playing trynda 13/7/7, 22/3/6, 8/0/9
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DuffTime (670) | February 21, 2012 9:18am
Sahari wrote:

this guide is really good, +1


Thanks ^_^

Benle wrote:

Hi Guys - especially Duff ;)

I just want to ask two questions.

1) A lot of friends I play with are lvl 30. Im hanging around at 18 and I'm just practicing Tryn - expecially Solo Top. Since I dont have any runes and still dont have max masteries: Is this build still viable for me to try?

2) Any tips for getting familiar with the "aggressive mode" I have to switch myself to? Sometimes I'm just too intimidated -_- EDIT: And I dont want to ruin the whole game by feeding...

Background:
At the moment I'm trying different build orders, practicing my solo top and last hit capability ;) Just focusing on one aspect of the game at a time. As I said I often hang around in 30/30/30/30 (incl. runes xD) + me teams and it often results in stats like 5/5/15 - sometimes worse sometimes better (seldom worst, seldom best xD).
In many games I get effective not until mid- to late-game...

Well, even if I shouldnt try this build yet it was fun to read and provided a lot of input for my play.

Cya and Thanks!

benle


Well the same would be true of you using any guide. If your skills are not up to par with your opponents, it will be hard to crush them, aye?

Just keep at it, polish up your creep score, keep a keen awareness of your enemy jungler and mid lane, and use your map awareness as one of your weapons while maintaining a good creep score and map pressure top lane.

That's one of the keys of a solo lane is maintaining control of your lane. When you lose control, bad things happen.
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Benle | February 21, 2012 7:14am
Hi Guys - especially Duff ;)

I just want to ask two questions.

1) A lot of friends I play with are lvl 30. Im hanging around at 18 and I'm just practicing Tryn - expecially Solo Top. Since I dont have any runes and still dont have max masteries: Is this build still viable for me to try?

2) Any tips for getting familiar with the "aggressive mode" I have to switch myself to? Sometimes I'm just too intimidated -_- EDIT: And I dont want to ruin the whole game by feeding...

Background:
At the moment I'm trying different build orders, practicing my solo top and last hit capability ;) Just focusing on one aspect of the game at a time. As I said I often hang around in 30/30/30/30 (incl. runes xD) + me teams and it often results in stats like 5/5/15 - sometimes worse sometimes better (seldom worst, seldom best xD).
In many games I get effective not until mid- to late-game...

Well, even if I shouldnt try this build yet it was fun to read and provided a lot of input for my play.

Cya and Thanks!

benle
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Sahari (1) | February 20, 2012 1:54pm
this guide is really good, +1
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DuffTime (670) | February 19, 2012 6:28pm
;)

Cheers man, and your post wasn't that long bro :D
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Soronto (29) | February 19, 2012 5:22pm
Damn Duff... this build... just...
First I was like "da ****, heal/ignite? wtf is this?", but I decided that I can't judge without trying it. So I jumped into ranked game and took Trynd.
At lvl 2 heal saved me from gank, so it was k.
Later after a team fight I was left vs 2 enemies without ult... heal saved me again and I got double kill :P
I started to snowball really hard. Enemy team had 4 ad champs so I bought Atma's Impaler, just you suggested in guide...
And guess what happened about 1 minute before the "VICTORY!"...

:D

Really good guide man, Trynd with this setup is able to totally own his lane and snowball in mid/late game.
Sorry for such a long post, just wanted to say that you did a really good job, thumbs up for you, sir.
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DuffTime (670) | February 19, 2012 7:09am
macabrito wrote:

last time i played against nasus and it was kinda hard! i picked cloth armor just in case i dont know if that was a mistake but it was like i didnt hit him at all lol. after i got zeal and boots i killed him very easy. i dont know if he is hard to play against or if i just didnt fight correctly


Not too hard, probly didn't play it right :P

newbatthis wrote:

Longtime lurker but this guide finally made me make an account just to say: GREAT GUIDE. I used to play Trynd on and off but he didn't even come close to the potential this Trynd has. Needless to say... Trynd is now my favorite solo top. It's hard to imagine how I used to stomach dual laning bot with an exhaust/tele trynd.... xD


Lol hahah.

Cheers :P

Heridan wrote:

Was using same item build, masteries and skill order but with Cleanse + Ghost/Flash. I had hard time early on against Lee/Riven but with these spells, I'm nearly unstoppable in the late phase of a game even if I got outfarmed and dominated. Don't you think your build depends too much on early lane winning ? Everybody can fail his lane (we're all humans), and sometimes the enemy jungler really hates you. If you can't win the lane properly, what does happen in late game with Heal/Ignite ?
By the way, I'm gonna test your Tryndamere before voting :p

Was thinking about jungling Trynd. His ganks can be really dangerous but the jungle (especially the new one) is behind the solo top lane in matter of experience and gold and may not fit Tryndamere's playstyle. What do you think of it ?


Sure. Anybody can lose any lane. That's the point is you don't want to.

This is geared towards winning the lane though. That's the idea, and in my opinion, that's the effective function of Tryndamere.

There's a reason multiple high elo players, like Q1imax, Dyrus, and TeddyRo have been using Heal and Ignite Tryndamere. And that reason is because Tryndamere's early game and lane phase is actually better than his late game.

If you can't win lane, the same thing that always happens to Tryndamere will happen. You'll get kited around and either blow ulti early or you'll end up cleaning up a fight. It's not very different.

Rastaboy wrote:

This guide make that all guys me hate to begin before match starts is say i go mid to get solo lane and all flame Tryn can´t mid. But every time i show them Tryn best mid champ i can beat champs like ahri mid :D crazy or? This guide is so insane i play since the guide found only Tryn


Well it isn't a solo mid guide, so you're not actually following my guide, but I'm glad to hear you're using the build and having success in your own avenue.

Redempti wrote:

Tried the build, really good :)


Yes indeed :) Cheers.
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Redempti | February 18, 2012 8:42pm
Tried the build, really good :)
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Rastaboy (1) | February 18, 2012 11:30am
This guide make that all guys me hate to begin before match starts is say i go mid to get solo lane and all flame Tryn can´t mid. But every time i show them Tryn best mid champ i can beat champs like ahri mid :D crazy or? This guide is so insane i play since the guide found only Tryn
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Heridan | February 18, 2012 9:57am
Was using same item build, masteries and skill order but with Cleanse + Ghost/Flash. I had hard time early on against Lee/Riven but with these spells, I'm nearly unstoppable in the late phase of a game even if I got outfarmed and dominated. Don't you think your build depends too much on early lane winning ? Everybody can fail his lane (we're all humans), and sometimes the enemy jungler really hates you. If you can't win the lane properly, what does happen in late game with Heal/Ignite ?
By the way, I'm gonna test your Tryndamere before voting :p

Was thinking about jungling Trynd. His ganks can be really dangerous but the jungle (especially the new one) is behind the solo top lane in matter of experience and gold and may not fit Tryndamere's playstyle. What do you think of it ?
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newbatthis | February 17, 2012 2:53pm
Longtime lurker but this guide finally made me make an account just to say: GREAT GUIDE. I used to play Trynd on and off but he didn't even come close to the potential this Trynd has. Needless to say... Trynd is now my favorite solo top. It's hard to imagine how I used to stomach dual laning bot with an exhaust/tele trynd.... xD
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macabrito | February 17, 2012 2:42pm
last time i played against nasus and it was kinda hard! i picked cloth armor just in case i dont know if that was a mistake but it was like i didnt hit him at all lol. after i got zeal and boots i killed him very easy. i dont know if he is hard to play against or if i just didnt fight correctly
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DuffTime (670) | February 17, 2012 9:47am
Yeah, those are options available to you, for sure ^_^

And if the jungler does come during your first engage, you do usually die. Happened to me twice now with junglers who I didn't really know their paths yet. (Alistar last night)

If you can predict the level 2 gank, you can generally avoid getting beat up o:
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NewPlayer | February 17, 2012 5:57am
Generally my games go really well with this setup.
But it happened to me 2-3 times already that the enemy jungler came from where my tower is right in the beginning when I am going for my 1st or 2nd last-hit. Then I am still level 1 and got no Spinning Slash to escape. If one of them has a good stun/slow they can kill me until I get to the tower or at least hurt me so much that I have to either play ultra-defensive or port back (which obv both sucks).
Is there anything I can do about this if they time it well?
If I wait for the 4th pot I can't run anywhere but straight to the first minion or I'll miss it (obv bad in all games where jungler is not coming) and your build tells me to skill Q first.
The only thing I can think of is to wait with leveling Q until I have killed like 2-3 minions (or just generally leveling E first).
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DuffTime (670) | February 16, 2012 2:30pm
Knuckle up and kick his *** son o:
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V4V. | February 16, 2012 11:58am
dady dady sion is a bully:'( hellp!
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DuffTime (670) | February 15, 2012 5:54pm
contrl wrote:

Why atmas when you didnt have any hp items like warmogs or somethink like that?


Care to read the guide? :P
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bion1c | February 15, 2012 5:46pm
Good guide!
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contrl | February 15, 2012 1:45pm
Why atmas when you didnt have any hp items like warmogs or somethink like that?
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DuffTime (670) | February 15, 2012 10:44am
That's all you need to know.
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Death D (4) | February 15, 2012 1:35am
Heal/ignite idea is good, but for the rest you say only: kill kill kill
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DuffTime (670) | February 14, 2012 11:10am
Yeah but no.

In this case, go with the AD, crush their skull in at level 2.

I've actually been trying a full AD red page with AD quints as well... Hits hard x_x
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lmaotan | February 14, 2012 2:39am
duff , thoughts on MS quints instead of AD quints?
i know about the early advantage thing you're trying to do but wouldn't MS quints be more helpful to tryn all game round? i only kinda like AD quints for ranged champions, for melee dps or bruisers i tend to lean on MS quints more :P. cheers
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DuffTime (670) | February 13, 2012 10:17am

How does the match up go vs. Lee Sin? Seems like since he runs on an energy system you can't burn his mana, his Q does a lot of damage early with flat AD marks and quints (not sure if Trynd can trade against that), and if you hit 2 at similar times, his E would make tower diving quite difficult.

Of course I am not questioning the content of the guide, haven't tried it yet but I will fairly soon. And I think it's garbage that people even care about appearance for guides, sorry that it's not colorful, go read a Dr. Seuss book or something.


If Lee Sin levels Q early, he has to land it. o: Even then I don't think he's gonna beat heal ignite Tryn in a straight shoot out where both players just slug to the death, but I'd have to run it against a few more Lee Sin players before I can say that for certain.


lol just score 2 pentakills(got ksed though by tf 2 fkin times). the technical penta i got was in the same match. my end score was 26/5/17. IMO your guide/build are way better than these other guides/builds(ive had way more wins using yours than others that are higher %).


Thanks! :)

You're correct, my method is in fact the best :3 That's why I made the guide ^_^

Cheers on your success.

Archey wrote:

Extremely good guide. I've done very well with this guide: it definitely works. Although I seem to have a lot of trouble against Garen... I solo topped against him in a recent match, and I just couldn't stop the guy. Our jungler ganked him 3 times and we killed him 2 but he just destroyed.... Any suggestions?


I personally haven't lost to a Garen yet.

With a full crit bar he can't engage on you, you'll out damage him. If he spins and you have your rage up, just right click him and if he has ignite try to beat it by healing first.

Tryn is a lane winner. If you don't win the lane, you won't be terribly useful to your team.


Wow, what an incredible guide! It works almost like magic. I just finished my first game using this strategy. I ended up 10-2-3, picked up first blood immediately after I hit level 2, was 3-1 at about twenty minutes, and had enough to buy infinity edge. True story.


I'm sure it is. I've had a 13 minute Infinity Edge on Tryn before (I bought it first, lol after basic boots, I got a reallyyyy silly triple kill when enemy jungle and mid ganked very sloppily and came in 1 by 1, and then they kept doing it... So I just bought a full on I.E. first item >:D real troll style), a 20 minute I.E. is just standard o: 15-16 minute isn't uncommon.

Congrats on your success :)

NewPlayer wrote:

I consider Teemo to be a pretty tough opponent. He's got good harass with his range + speed and his blinding dart makes me miss crucial damage. If you attack him you need to kill him or he always gets in a good amount of damage on your way back to retreat.
It really seems like I need to land that kill at lvl 2 when he isn't that fast yet (I obv try but with his blinding dart it is far from certain if he is careful at all), otherwise he gets a real pain in the *** and can harass me fairly well even when I m just fighting creeps at my own tower.


Teemo, in my experience, is so easy :P

You should hit level 2 before Teemo, and if you do, you should spin 2 win :D


What do you think about an opponent like Kennen who doesn't require mana to use skills, and has ranged auto attacks?


Pretty tough.

Temzilla wrote:

Trynd Levels W, Lee sin is forced to level E.

Basically, it turns into a lane where both champions are hitting each other with wet noodles doing no damage to each other, and eventually Tryndamere overtakes Lee Sin because his W is so powerful and he scales better into late game.


Lee Sin should level E anyway.

Tryn should not level W. Why on earth. That's basically saying, "Okay, I give up. I go the defensive route and cannot threaten you at all"

I power level Q and beat his candy ninja ***. :3
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Temzilla (211) | February 13, 2012 1:31am

How does the match up go vs. Lee Sin? Seems like since he runs on an energy system you can't burn his mana, his Q does a lot of damage early with flat AD marks and quints (not sure if Trynd can trade against that), and if you hit 2 at similar times, his E would make tower diving quite difficult.

Of course I am not questioning the content of the guide, haven't tried it yet but I will fairly soon. And I think it's garbage that people even care about appearance for guides, sorry that it's not colorful, go read a Dr. Seuss book or something.


Trynd Levels W, Lee sin is forced to level E.

Basically, it turns into a lane where both champions are hitting each other with wet noodles doing no damage to each other, and eventually Tryndamere overtakes Lee Sin because his W is so powerful and he scales better into late game.
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NewPlayer | February 13, 2012 12:53am
I consider Teemo to be a pretty tough opponent. He's got good harass with his range + speed and his blinding dart makes me miss crucial damage. If you attack him you need to kill him or he always gets in a good amount of damage on your way back to retreat.
It really seems like I need to land that kill at lvl 2 when he isn't that fast yet (I obv try but with his blinding dart it is far from certain if he is careful at all), otherwise he gets a real pain in the *** and can harass me fairly well even when I m just fighting creeps at my own tower.
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CorporalFists | February 12, 2012 12:52am
What do you think about an opponent like Kennen who doesn't require mana to use skills, and has ranged auto attacks?
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CorporalFists | February 11, 2012 4:50pm
Wow, what an incredible guide! It works almost like magic. I just finished my first game using this strategy. I ended up 10-2-3, picked up first blood immediately after I hit level 2, was 3-1 at about twenty minutes, and had enough to buy infinity edge. True story.
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Archey | February 11, 2012 4:20pm
Extremely good guide. I've done very well with this guide: it definitely works. Although I seem to have a lot of trouble against Garen... I solo topped against him in a recent match, and I just couldn't stop the guy. Our jungler ganked him 3 times and we killed him 2 but he just destroyed.... Any suggestions?
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GiggleFairy (4) | February 11, 2012 2:56pm
lol just score 2 pentakills(got ksed though by tf 2 fkin times). the technical penta i got was in the same match. my end score was 26/5/17. IMO your guide/build are way better than these other guides/builds(ive had way more wins using yours than others that are higher %).
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yellow_granilla (5) | February 11, 2012 5:54am
How does the match up go vs. Lee Sin? Seems like since he runs on an energy system you can't burn his mana, his Q does a lot of damage early with flat AD marks and quints (not sure if Trynd can trade against that), and if you hit 2 at similar times, his E would make tower diving quite difficult.

Of course I am not questioning the content of the guide, haven't tried it yet but I will fairly soon. And I think it's garbage that people even care about appearance for guides, sorry that it's not colorful, go read a Dr. Seuss book or something.
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DuffTime (670) | February 10, 2012 4:18pm
Yes, but it's also about shutting down your opponents solo lane.

It's -more- about shutting them down to be honest.
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animorte (45) | February 10, 2012 4:01pm
Well, after a little biti of thinking, I finally figured out exactly what you are doing. Buff your early game as best as humanly possible, because that basically determines the outcome of the game, particularly with a champion that can even get the slightest lead and snowballs depressingly easy.
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DuffTime (670) | February 10, 2012 3:32pm
Yeah I've been busy, will fix it at a later date.
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Drakinite (16) | February 10, 2012 12:55pm
Hey, great build, I have been playing Tryndamere for a while now, but I've never tried heal/Ignite before, I'll give it a shot. And 1 thing, in your item section, emblem of valour and starks herald no longer give the stats they used too, I'm sure you know this already probably just an oversight lol.
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DuffTime (670) | February 10, 2012 10:21am
Don't even know how to respond, and when that's the case, I just decide I'm talking to a troll.

Did you even read the guide?

I can tell you didn't.
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Sheilaharai (1) | February 10, 2012 2:19am
ignaite and heal.... (WTF NOOB....)
i would prefer flash and teleport on him, because it let you escape an awful lot of situations (very effective with your spinning slash) and teleport is VERY nice if you need that item and want to be back in 6 sec. also, you have an build-in heal (don't spam through) and in all my kills with tryn ive maybe made 1 kill thanks to ignite
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DuffTime (670) | February 9, 2012 9:51am
Lol xD

I don't as of yet, nope. I might in the future, depends on a lot of things.
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Mallahet | February 9, 2012 8:51am
Duff you need to clone yourself to see who'd win in a fight: your versions of Tryn, Olaf, Cho, etc. I'd drink beer and watch that.

Speaking of, do you do any streams ever?
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DuffTime (670) | February 8, 2012 4:45pm
Proper warding makes a big difference and control of your aggression is key.
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SyNn3r | February 8, 2012 4:01pm
This build did NOT work for me the 1st 2 games, but on the 3rd game I scored 26/12/8. Maybe it was just bad luck, or bad teamwork, but in the end, overall, the build works like a charm.
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DuffTime (670) | February 7, 2012 9:48am
Well if you have to rush armor and sustain go for it. He's got a mana bar after all, you can run it down.

I do think Urgot would be tough, but I think if properly played you can land the kill pre six.
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Limed | February 7, 2012 3:50am
Hey Duff, just encountered a very tough lane opponent...
An Urgot... he seems to have defensive seals, and i'm guessing typical +15 atk(mark+quint)
and he has ignite too...
whenever i try to close in to stop him from farming... long-story-short
he always out-nukes me... very good at kiting due to W+auto attack, my slow is as good as his so pretty much i can't go near enough w/o getting my HP down to half...
(if i try to last hit, he anticipates it and throws an E)
if i play defensive, he outfarms me, and can still occasionally land a E+Q+Q+Q combo
not saying, impossible to lane... but i can't reach full potential with this build...
i'm forced to play passively and just farm till i bloom late-game...
was wondering if u could help me with this, considering ur build n' all
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DuffTime (670) | February 6, 2012 3:33pm
:PPP
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omagma (175) | February 6, 2012 11:59am
DuffTime wrote:

The methods suggested in my guide are superior in every imaginable avenue.



Duffy boy, you never cease to make me giggle XD
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DuffTime (670) | February 6, 2012 11:58am

great build/guide. just carried a rly horrible team to victory(exception of the ashe that laned with me. she did awsome).i even went and soloed baron after wrecking the enemy attempting to take baron. i went 17/5/14 ending score. chamged my last item to black cleaver due to no one stacking armor.


Hey cool, good work :P
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DuffTime (670) | February 6, 2012 11:55am
Luriocarn wrote:

Ok pretty decent guide, but what most people do with Tryn is rush a phantom dancer then rush a infinity edge. If you take a look at my guide i top you in critical chance, attackspeed, and damage.


I appreciate the gesture, but I'm just going to tell you rather flatly, with 100% certainty, rushing a PD before boots is absolutely inferior to the method that I'm using.

The methods suggested in my guide are superior in every imaginable avenue.
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Luriocarn (4) | February 6, 2012 4:19am
Ok pretty decent guide, but what most people do with Tryn is rush a phantom dancer then rush a infinity edge. If you take a look at my guide i top you in critical chance, attackspeed, and damage.
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GiggleFairy (4) | February 6, 2012 1:20am
great build/guide. just carried a rly horrible team to victory(exception of the ashe that laned with me. she did awsome).i even went and soloed baron after wrecking the enemy attempting to take baron. i went 17/5/14 ending score. chamged my last item to black cleaver due to no one stacking armor.
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DuffTime (670) | February 4, 2012 8:38pm
Yep, go to it brotha!
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AdamantSentinel | February 4, 2012 7:22pm
Heh. This is gonna be fun- I love stomping lanes with Tryn.
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DuffTime (670) | February 4, 2012 1:11pm
Bellator wrote:

asdfghjkl!!!
Love this build and guide so much... You've just recruited another person into the Dufftime fan wagon.


Thanks man, enjoy :3

Chibi49 wrote:

I love your guides, they are short and effective. :) Keep it up Duff!!


Thank ye, cheers! :)
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Chibi49 | February 4, 2012 9:23am
I love your guides, they are short and effective. :) Keep it up Duff!!
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Bellator (28) | February 3, 2012 11:01pm
asdfghjkl!!!
Love this build and guide so much... You've just recruited another person into the Dufftime fan wagon.
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DuffTime (670) | February 3, 2012 10:14pm
Np, cheers! :)
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RamSeize | February 3, 2012 5:51pm
This is a really effective way to play tryn. Thanks for sharing. +1 and +rep.
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DuffTime (670) | February 3, 2012 9:28am
Grats and thanks.

Yeah people get baited into fights and once you learn your damage output you can do some really silly stuff in lane phase :P
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Babit (12) | February 3, 2012 8:50am
GJ Duff.

I have yet to lose my lane or game with this build.

Heal + Q is a playmaker for sure XD

I need to work on being a tad more aggressive early though. +1
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DuffTime (670) | February 2, 2012 9:32am
bobi9000 wrote:

I love this build 23-3-1 in 25 minutes :D


Cheers man, good stuff :)
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DuffTime (670) | February 2, 2012 9:32am
Miralithia wrote:

What do I do against someone like yorick? I'm still new to tryn, and this guide is great, but some information about All the champions would be like, incredible! :) I mean i can learn from exp., but I think doing that would be really helpful, or maybe it's just I'm not brave enough yet, :P. Great guide, you have my vote


Well it all depends on the player and everything, the jungler, etc.

I haven't actually run it against a Yorick since taking Heal Ignite. o_O
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bobi9000 (1) | February 2, 2012 6:23am
I love this build 23-3-1 in 25 minutes :D
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Miralithia | February 1, 2012 8:21pm
What do I do against someone like yorick? I'm still new to tryn, and this guide is great, but some information about All the champions would be like, incredible! :) I mean i can learn from exp., but I think doing that would be really helpful, or maybe it's just I'm not brave enough yet, :P. Great guide, you have my vote
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DuffTime (670) | February 1, 2012 11:58am
haumin007 wrote:

Thanks for the tips. I will try it out to see if its work.
By the way, I can't play custom game with you because we are in difference server or else I would like to see how you playing ^^.


Oh okay, well that's alright.

Try not to use Q unless it means you're gonna run out their mana bar! :)

NewPlayer wrote:

If my entire team already locked in without smite, would my team have a better shot at winning if I exchange Heal for Smite and start jungling with VampScepter (assuming I knew how to jungle well) or is it still best to go top and play the 2v2 or 2v1 lane?


It's an option, but you ought to try to get a different champ for jungle if you can xP

The guide is geared towards 1v1 solo top match ups, and that's the only time I use Tryn. If it's another scenario then you'll have to do what you can to make it work.


Thanks for the reply. And BTW that guy probably has AIDS to think that this guide is ineffective. It doesn't look like it works but, it does.


No he's just mad.

Protocol wrote:

1) I don't have AIDS

2) I did not say the guide was ineffective.


Yeap he's mad.
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Protocol (8) | February 1, 2012 10:28am

Thanks for the reply. And BTW that guy probably has AIDS to think that this guide is ineffective. It doesn't look like it works but, it does.



1) I don't have AIDS

2) I did not say the guide was ineffective.
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UsernameSayWha (14) | February 1, 2012 8:35am
Thanks for the reply. And BTW that guy probably has AIDS to think that this guide is ineffective. It doesn't look like it works but, it does.
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NewPlayer | February 1, 2012 1:57am
If my entire team already locked in without smite, would my team have a better shot at winning if I exchange Heal for Smite and start jungling with VampScepter (assuming I knew how to jungle well) or is it still best to go top and play the 2v2 or 2v1 lane?
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haumin007 | January 31, 2012 8:21pm
DuffTime wrote:


Well to be honest that's a lot of what those 4 pots are used for.

You're gonna take some harass, but via careful positioning you can last hit a lot of creeps. Just don't wait 5 seconds, make sure you continue to land periodic auto attacks and build up your rage bar.

I can work it out with you in a custom game sometime if you'd like.


Thanks for the tips. I will try it out to see if its work.
By the way, I can't play custom game with you because we are in difference server or else I would like to see how you playing ^^.
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DuffTime (670) | January 31, 2012 11:38am
I think it probably offended Tem a little bit that this guy would disregard the guide and leave a snide remark like the one he did, speak with so much self righteous sass when confronted, and so on so forth.

I fully support Temz' reaction, I think it was appropriate.
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Nighthawk (675) | January 31, 2012 11:16am
yah it just made me laugh that Tem was going all macho man :P
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DuffTime (670) | January 31, 2012 11:11am
He's completely trolling, are you serious? Look at his little sassy attitude, 100000% troll, and you know it. I can spot a troll a million miles away.

Of course he's mad, that's why he decided to (Probably downvote) and QQQQQ for two pages on a person's guide.

The PERSON had nothing to do with the featuring of the guide, but he's so mad he decides to post here and sob his eyes out.

Nighthawk wrote:

Anyways, ho boi, Temzilla trotting out the e-peen aye? :P


He's not trotting anything, he's just letting this douchebag know that I didn't have anything to do with the featuring and that this kid could spend his time better complaining elsewhere. He's completely wasting his time whining about it here.

Nighthawk wrote:

Well actually I lied since a lot of Mobafire likes shiny, pretty things, but it SHOULD be like that...


Dear God, yes, you are right.
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Nighthawk (675) | January 31, 2012 10:38am
Duff...I don't think he's trolling you.

Anyways, ho boi, Temzilla trotting out the e-peen aye? :P

Anyways Protocol, umadbro?

Guides that work will always be better then guides that look pretty.

Well actually I lied since a lot of Mobafire likes shiny, pretty things, but it SHOULD be like that...
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DuffTime (670) | January 31, 2012 10:31am
Weird, you act like one.

Only a kid would think that your awful trolling would be legitimately effective, any single person who comes in here will immediately know that you're just a bad excuse for a troll.
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Protocol (8) | January 31, 2012 10:14am
I assure you that I am not a 'kid,' and I most definitely am not as mad as you are getting. I'll leave the subject alone for now I guess. Have a good day, be sure to check out my upcoming guide on Ahri, the Nine Tails Fox. :)

I should have it out by the end of the week.
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DuffTime (670) | January 31, 2012 9:42am
Oh I did, I made sure that it said exactly what you meant to say.

Here.

Protocol wrote:

Why does Duff get to put together quickly written guides and get them featured. When other authors spend time to make high quality, organized guides, and don't get any recognition for them?

This guide is visually horrible, and doesn't deserve to be featured.


BIG ****IN DIFFERENCE KID.
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Protocol (8) | January 31, 2012 8:46am
DuffTime wrote:

If I disagree with you, you're gonna hear about it.

Just so happens we've disagreed, and you heard about it.

When you have something to actually say- You know, something other than "Your guide is ugly and doesn't deserve to be featured" come back and we'll see if I give a ****.

Also your little "Hi get used to me and disagreeing with me cause I'm here to stay" bit really falls on deaf ears, I don't care if you plan to be here for seven years, your opinion means nothing to me and your little smug attitude means even less.

Bye!


You are aware that if you use quote's when quoting someone, you are supposed to put exactly what they said? Not change what they said completely?
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DuffTime (670) | January 31, 2012 8:23am
Thanks Temzilla! :)
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DuffTime (670) | January 31, 2012 8:22am
haumin007 wrote:

Then how shall we position ourselves goodly to avoid harass by enemy while still can farm creep to build up rage bar? I found it hard against enemy that can zone me totally like shyvana and gangplank. Hug tower to last hit?


Well to be honest that's a lot of what those 4 pots are used for.

You're gonna take some harass, but via careful positioning you can last hit a lot of creeps. Just don't wait 5 seconds, make sure you continue to land periodic auto attacks and build up your rage bar.

I can work it out with you in a custom game sometime if you'd like.
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haumin007 | January 31, 2012 5:21am
DuffTime wrote:


Level 1 is the rage bar building level. Try to keep your HP high while building rage off of minions.

Positioning is so important.

Some champions make level 1 harder than others for Tryn. If you have to use Q for healing a lot at level 1, you're losing. (Unless your opponent will soon run out of mana and you can kill them when they do)

Hope that answers your question.



Then how shall we position ourselves goodly to avoid harass by enemy while still can farm creep to build up rage bar? I found it hard against enemy that can zone me totally like shyvana and gangplank. Hug tower to last hit?
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Temzilla (211) | January 31, 2012 12:13am
Protocol wrote:

Why does Duff get to put together quickly written guides and get them featured. When other authors spend time to make high quality, organized guides, and don't get any recognition for them?

This guide is visually horrible, and doesn't deserve to be featured.


Because Visuals mean jack ****ing ****.

And I'm one of the people that are in charge of featuring guides.

Got a problem?

Take it up with me.

I recommend guides that WORK.

NOT guides that look good.

Hell, honestly, the only guides i can STAND to read are duff's, they are that good.

This guide is informative, comprehensive, and MOST importantly, LEAN.

That's why i am giving it my recommendation and up vote.
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DuffTime (670) | January 30, 2012 11:44pm
If I disagree with you, you're gonna hear about it.

Just so happens we've disagreed, and you heard about it.

When you have something to actually say- You know, something other than "Your guide is ugly and doesn't deserve to be featured" come back and we'll see if I give a ****.

Also your little "Hi get used to me and disagreeing with me cause I'm here to stay" bit really falls on deaf ears, I don't care if you plan to be here for seven years, your opinion means nothing to me and your little smug attitude means even less.

Bye!
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Protocol (8) | January 30, 2012 9:57pm
Now lets not turn this into a ***** stroking contest. Take it as it is, a comment, on page 15, of you're 'featured' guide. That being said, you don't really need to put a line break after every other sentence on you're guide. I read you're guide very thoughorly and I have even used it. But, Protocol dictates (cwutididthar?) that guides while informative, should also be pleasing to ready (same with anything you are reading to be honest).

That being said, I know that I would really appreciate it, that when you get some spare time, you touch up on the formatting a little bit.

Anyways Duff, I'm Protocol, I don't plan on going away any times soon so it's nice to meet you.

Protocol


EDIT: I remembered that you were the one who constantly disagrees with 95 percent of what anyone says on the forums. While in some cases 'argue out of love syndrome' is acceptable. It is really frowned upon in such an internet community. Have a good day, good sir!
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DuffTime (670) | January 30, 2012 10:27am
Protocol wrote:

Why does Duff get to put together quickly written guides and get them featured. When other authors spend time to make high quality, organized guides, and don't get any recognition for them?

This guide is visually horrible, and doesn't deserve to be featured.


I actually didn't know the guide was featured until you mentioned that it was, but allow me to explain, mister angry commenter.

Because I took the time to learn how to play Tryndamere, have the best, most functional technique to using Tryndamere, better than all the other guides on the website, and everybody knows it by now.

I also have put in the time to prove it, and will take all comers who want to prove me wrong.

You know why it's featured? Because it works, because it's good.

If you weren't so focused on how it looks (Which it really doesn't look that bad, if you can't read this you should really consider working on your attention span) then you'd have taken a lot of valuable information out of the guide.

What have you accomplished here at MobaFire, anonymous poster who joined on January 13th? Where's your marvelous contribution to the site, and why is it so easy for you to criticize the appearance of what really is MobaFire's best Tryndamere guide to date?

They featured it because they want the best information and technique at the top, and I had nothing to do with that. You can downvote and complain here on my guide, or you can just recognize that it's the best Tryn guide on the site, and that other people recognize that and featured it.

It's also current, and has up to date, effective information.

Again, this will always keep coming back to the INFORMATION PRESENTED.

The rest is meaningless. Don't worry though, you have friends in the Veteran community who Sympathize with you, and agree with your sentiment. They even agree with your silly mindset that looks are so important that we should allow the prettier looking guide to remain at the top, even though the information presented is out dated, or just bad altogether.

It just doesn't matter, the people who are thinking reasonably opted to feature the best guide we have on the site, even though it may not be the -most- visually pleasing guide we have to offer.

Thanks for your comment, it was REALLY well founded in logic and reason.
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DuffTime (670) | January 30, 2012 9:52am
haumin007 wrote:

I have some questions to ask.

How shall we play this type of tryn at level 1? As aggressive as level 2?
What if ur enemy is someone that u just cant stand and fight, like shyvana. Can we kill her at lvl2?
What if enemy is range like gangplank that just parley u at lvl 1 and make u below 20% hp before lvl 2?
Fury shall be used to recover hp or used for crit chance at early lvl?

I don't know what I am doing wrong, I try to use this tryn build but lose badly in my lane, lose to shyv, gp, and even mf (thanks to healing reduction)... I do nearly the same as this guide teach, same mastery, almost same rune, same item.....but still fail.


Level 1 is the rage bar building level. Try to keep your HP high while building rage off of minions.

Positioning is so important.

Some champions make level 1 harder than others for Tryn. If you have to use Q for healing a lot at level 1, you're losing. (Unless your opponent will soon run out of mana and you can kill them when they do)

Hope that answers your question.


One question. You are a very good player. So why beserker's greaves > mercury treads? You know because you are tryn, you are gonna get slows, knock-ups, stuns put on you ALL day.

And to answer the question above, bad positioning.


Because Tryn is a rather poor teamfighter, and your biggest task and advantage is to shut down your opponent in lane phase.

More damage is the best way to do that, and also you won't be very succesful in tower dives without berz greaves. Berz - Zeal - I.E. is great for diving.

Even when against CC heavy teams I generally stick to Berz greaves and try to 1v1 people and split push constantly :P

SinDelta wrote:

Tried your playstyle and build Duff, I went 13-5-5 and made top lane my *****. Those 5 deaths were to silly tower dives and forgetting to ult or press heal. Good guide man keep up the work.


Will do, thanks :P Hah, forgetting to ulti xD Well nice scoe considering you only used 3 skills to get it.. lols!
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Protocol (8) | January 30, 2012 8:58am
Why does Duff get to put together quickly written guides and get them featured. When other authors spend time to make high quality, organized guides, and don't get any recognition for them?

This guide is visually horrible, and doesn't deserve to be featured.
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SinDelta (26) | January 30, 2012 12:19am
Tried your playstyle and build Duff, I went 13-5-5 and made top lane my *****. Those 5 deaths were to silly tower dives and forgetting to ult or press heal. Good guide man keep up the work.
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UsernameSayWha (14) | January 29, 2012 6:21pm
One question. You are a very good player. So why beserker's greaves > mercury treads? You know because you are tryn, you are gonna get slows, knock-ups, stuns put on you ALL day.

And to answer the question above, bad positioning.
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haumin007 | January 29, 2012 5:35pm
I have some questions to ask.

How shall we play this type of tryn at level 1? As aggressive as level 2?
What if ur enemy is someone that u just cant stand and fight, like shyvana. Can we kill her at lvl2?
What if enemy is range like gangplank that just parley u at lvl 1 and make u below 20% hp before lvl 2?
Fury shall be used to recover hp or used for crit chance at early lvl?

I don't know what I am doing wrong, I try to use this tryn build but lose badly in my lane, lose to shyv, gp, and even mf (thanks to healing reduction)... I do nearly the same as this guide teach, same mastery, almost same rune, same item.....but still fail.
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DuffTime (670) | January 29, 2012 1:11pm
Vaellen wrote:

You can try my early game too:

I use flat AD quints, flat Arpen marks, flat Armor seals and MR per level glyphs.

It helps with last hitting to get your Fury up faster in lane, it gives you more damage against tankier opponents like Wukong, Riven and so on. It makes you more durable to harassment too.

I start with the Vampiric Scepter. With Tryndamere's crits, you lifesteal for about 30-40 at level ONE. And 30-40 is a lot at level one. I haven't tested lifesteal runes yet, but I guess they would really make Tryndamere's early game healing VERY overpowered.

You also have Bloodlust to heal you and you have Heal to heal you. Mega sustain with high damage.

I turn the Vampiric Scepter into Wriggle's Lantern. More lifesteal, more attack damage, more armor, chance to instafarm minions and a free ward! IMO it's the best solo top item ever made for AD champions.

Also, an early AD pot really helps in dominating lanes with Tryndamere.

Just my observations :) And Duff, if you have lifesteal runes, can you test for me please? :D I want to know if they are worth buying for Tryndamere, they are 2050 IP I believe. I know that they're OP on Nasus but I think they can be far more OP on Tryndamere.


I don't really understand. The only thing you use differently is Scaling MR blues instead of flat MR, which isn't ideal because you're trying to get kills pre level 6.

life steal hurts your ability to get pre 6 kills so they're ****.

Vamp scepter hurts your ability to get pre 6 kills so it's ****.

It's boots all day baby. Full aggro runes, and boots.

Wriggle's is a waste, we're not gearing up for a long sustained lane phase, we're gearing to crush somebody's face in over and over.

If you wanna play the passive lame farmfest Rain Man style, buy Wriggle's and Phantom Dancer, but truthfully that really sucks and is very suboptimal.
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Vaellen (3) | January 29, 2012 12:31pm
Quoted:

You won't be able to even lifesteal if you get zoned from minions.
That also removes your early aggression capabilities.


If you get zoned you will eventually get pushed to your turret. Once you get pushed to your turret, you will farm up your fury. IF you farm up your fury you get 36% Crit Chance, and you can, with no problem or fears, go and throw your enemy laner through a ****ing wall. Because you lifesteal for 30 almost every hit, you do a lot of damage as well, you can use your Q to heal you, you have Ignite and you have Heal.
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LoL-Guides1 (2) | January 29, 2012 11:25am
Trynda was always OP.
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loler123 (1) | January 29, 2012 7:20am
DuffTime wrote:

Yes, and Q1imax is NA too.


Bad,we can't meet :S
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Embracing (347) | January 29, 2012 4:41am
You won't be able to even lifesteal if you get zoned from minions.
That also removes your early aggression capabilities.
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Vaellen (3) | January 29, 2012 4:09am
You can try my early game too:

I use flat AD quints, flat Arpen marks, flat Armor seals and MR per level glyphs.

It helps with last hitting to get your Fury up faster in lane, it gives you more damage against tankier opponents like Wukong, Riven and so on. It makes you more durable to harassment too.

I start with the Vampiric Scepter. With Tryndamere's crits, you lifesteal for about 30-40 at level ONE. And 30-40 is a lot at level one. I haven't tested lifesteal runes yet, but I guess they would really make Tryndamere's early game healing VERY overpowered.

You also have Bloodlust to heal you and you have Heal to heal you. Mega sustain with high damage.

I turn the Vampiric Scepter into Wriggle's Lantern. More lifesteal, more attack damage, more armor, chance to instafarm minions and a free ward! IMO it's the best solo top item ever made for AD champions.

Also, an early AD pot really helps in dominating lanes with Tryndamere.

Just my observations :) And Duff, if you have lifesteal runes, can you test for me please? :D I want to know if they are worth buying for Tryndamere, they are 2050 IP I believe. I know that they're OP on Nasus but I think they can be far more OP on Tryndamere.
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DuffTime (670) | January 28, 2012 4:24pm
NewPlayer wrote:

My question basically was "If I have killed my opponent or my lane is abandoned from my enemies for whatever reason and I don't want to break tower yet, do I just farm it up until I got Infinity Edge or should I be even more aggressive and try to gank mid (even though the XP at my lane then gets wasted)? At what point do you usually start abandoning your lane to hunt opponents elsewhere?
Thanks


There's no time for this, you need to evaluate whether or not a lane is even gankable, or whether or not a fight can be forced at dragon etc.

I like to steal jungle in these situations as well when there's no opponent to punish.

loler123 wrote:

duff, i 've read all your guides and dude, i am not surprised this works awesome too.

Thanks and keep up with good work :)


Thanks man, yeah it's really strong :)

loler123 wrote:

P.S. You play North America right?
P.S. 2. Where does Q1imax play?


Yes, and Q1imax is NA too.
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DuffTime (670) | January 28, 2012 4:11pm
Adovid wrote:

Kayle is a fair counter to trynd wither her ability to kite with her w and q and to pummel him with her e and ult for ult with her r.


I don't think so, but I haven't tried it so I won't say no until I have :P
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loler123 (1) | January 28, 2012 3:24pm
P.S. You play North America right?
P.S. 2. Where does Q1imax play?
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loler123 (1) | January 28, 2012 3:14pm
duff, i 've read all your guides and dude, i am not surprised this works awesome too.
1st game: 3-2-5 Surrendered after B.F. Sword xD
2nd game: 21-4-13 The strategy's awesome(Btw, both games were normal and i dont have any high elo and it was my first time pwning ***es like that :P )
Thanks and keep up with good work :)
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NewPlayer | January 28, 2012 4:24am
DuffTime wrote:

No reason to take the tower early. Leave it and use it as a weapon against your opponents and a safety barrier for yourself.

My question basically was "If I have killed my opponent or my lane is abandoned from my enemies for whatever reason and I don't want to break tower yet, do I just farm it up until I got Infinity Edge or should I be even more aggressive and try to gank mid (even though the XP at my lane then gets wasted)? At what point do you usually start abandoning your lane to hunt opponents elsewhere?
Thanks
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Adovid (2) | January 28, 2012 2:37am
Kayle is a fair counter to trynd wither her ability to kite with her w and q and to pummel him with her e and ult for ult with her r.
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DuffTime (670) | January 27, 2012 8:54am
No reason to take the tower early. Leave it and use it as a weapon against your opponents and a safety barrier for yourself.
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NewPlayer | January 27, 2012 1:17am
Just noticed that when I got 2-0 or 3-0 and had a chance to break top tower I took it but then felt unsafe to push top further and therefore always tried to gank mid and run quite a bit between top and mid so I don't get too far into their territory. Guess I know now why you don't want to break that tower too early :)
So if you are lvl 9 with 2-3 kills and your lane is somehow abandoned right now, you don't kill that tower and just farm, right?
I guess the question is whether if my ulti + summoners are up and there is no one to kill at my lane right now, do you generally just farm or try to maximally use your ulti + summoners and go for mid or their jungle to find someone to kill? Obv it depends on the situation but what do you do more often?
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DuffTime (670) | January 26, 2012 9:49pm
Well I can show you how I do it :)
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ThisistheRightBuild (4) | January 26, 2012 5:55pm
good build any ways
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ThisistheRightBuild (4) | January 26, 2012 5:55pm
Keep dying early game because i cant kill anyone
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ThisistheRightBuild (4) | January 26, 2012 5:54pm
i need some help with tryn
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DuffTime (670) | January 25, 2012 11:52pm
Wait no I don't, this **** is manmode as ****.
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DuffTime (670) | January 25, 2012 11:51pm
I agree.
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Temzilla (211) | January 25, 2012 6:36pm
Maserato wrote:

This guide needs moar milk.


I agree.
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Maserato (3) | January 25, 2012 6:25pm
This guide needs moar milk.
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DuffTime (670) | January 25, 2012 4:34pm
aviseras wrote:

Definitely a solid build. Duff took the time to show me in a custom game how to play it properly, but I imagine it will take a while before I can do it nearly that well ^_^


:D

NewPlayer wrote:

still working very well after new patch


Yeap, still loads of fun, although I do notice the impact.

Jul3zZ wrote:

Thank you very much !


You're welcome ^_^

Dzeno wrote:

When tryn is free to play, so gonna try this :p, only without runes, but it should still work :p.


Yeah but the runes do make a big difference man.
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Dzeno (6) | January 25, 2012 3:22pm
When tryn is free to play, so gonna try this :p, only without runes, but it should still work :p.
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Jul3zZ | January 25, 2012 1:34pm
Aw man, Imma hack MOBAfire and delete this guide and ur account and ur life, so I can be the only Tryn pro. Yey !
Awesome guide, I'm pretty noobish so I was searching an In-Depth Guide for Tryndamere that suits my playstile. And here we go, this is my bible ! =D
You perfectly described the stituations, and for my low elo and pretty decent skills, this will work =)
Thank you very much !
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NewPlayer | January 25, 2012 2:04am
still working very well after new patch
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aviseras (4) | January 24, 2012 6:56pm
Definitely a solid build. Duff took the time to show me in a custom game how to play it properly, but I imagine it will take a while before I can do it nearly that well ^_^
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DuffTime (670) | January 22, 2012 6:53pm
lol wut?
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5T0RML0RD (2) | January 22, 2012 4:17pm
tryndanoobs spotted
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DuffTime (670) | January 22, 2012 8:04am
I approach all lanes the same way pretty much.

Get level 2, get the kill.

Lol.
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Taiyri | January 22, 2012 4:53am
Got a quick query for you. Given GP's popularity as a solo top how would you fight him? Is it just a matter of using the armor runes page and soaking his early harass and killing him after you level once or twice or are there some other tricks to it? I've seen trynd's utterly fail at laning against a gp and I've also seen some of those come back with a little safe farming and usually swing into full gear in mid game. However, when that does happen they don't shut down the lane properly. So I was just wondering your specific tactics for a gp lane opponent. Unless it's just, survive to level 2, spin and heal ftw? Just a shot in the dark...
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DuffTime (670) | January 21, 2012 5:37pm
Thanks xD
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Fallenlife (1) | January 21, 2012 5:36pm
your early game explaination made me fall out of the chair from laughter, love your guide vote up for you sir
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DuffTime (670) | January 21, 2012 2:50pm
Yaerp you just kill and kill and kill :P
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Johfo (12) | January 21, 2012 4:03am
LOVE IT! i was up against a tryndamere with this play style. i was thinking "man he sucks" killed kennen after just a few mins on lane lol. and kept on going. He ended up with 34 kills so i looked up this build, tried it out and MAN. you really do kill ur solo lane on lvl 2-4. and im in gold league so :P dayyum
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DuffTime (670) | January 20, 2012 4:18pm
Let's run it :)

I'm always glad to run match ups.

I should not that at the 15 minute mark I begin to dive constantly. Having spinning slash on a very low CD is invaluable for safe kills and escapes.
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Fox Rage (75) | January 20, 2012 4:08pm
True







(I still think Spinning slash is a close-gap/escape tool more than a damage skill >:D)

P.S. I still want a rematch agaisnt your tryn. No more solo top eve this time. Payback's a *****, or so they say. PREPARE YOURSELF DUFF! FOR I SHALL HAVE NO MERCY!
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DuffTime (670) | January 20, 2012 4:05pm
Thanks man.

As previously mentioned, if you do it right, your enemy is never a threat at any point, and all you need is more damage to keep snowballing harder and harder :)

Q - E is certainly the way I've found works best when you're getting ahead.

Maxing W is great if you're in a close contest with another melee but if you're snowballing correctly from your application of Heal / Ignite, it's silly to try to take less damage when you could just deal more damage instead. ^_^

Building tons of armor when your enemies can't threaten you doesn't make sense.

Neither does maxing W.
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Fox Rage (75) | January 20, 2012 3:45pm
Once again Duff, great guide. Cool to read and use, very reliable and competitve. YTou give a lot of information and a lot of possibilities, wich is great.

My only disagreement with your build, is maxing E before W. IMO, spinning slash is better used as a close-gap/escape tool than a damage skill. I personnaly lvl Q first, then W.

Mocking Shout is an awesome skill, and i'm not talking about the slow here, but the AD reduction debuff it gives to enemies.

If I face a Garen, Riven, Pantheon, Trundle, Olaf, or basically any AD dependant champion top(AKA 95% of the solo top player out there. Sometime I feel like i'm the only one playing AP user as solo top), I max W second, grabbing E at level 2 or 4 (depending on who's my enemy and how aggressive he is and if i'm lucky about crits). Add the early cloth armor and the runes, and you can consider the lane won.

Of course i'm not dumb enough to do that agaisn't an AP solo top (Vlad, Ryze, Kennen, Rumble, etc.) Agaisn't those AP users, I grab W at lvl 4, for the slow and max it last.

As sais previously, awesome guide. You did a great work and definitely deserve that +1/+rep. Gratz.

P.S. I made a reference about my runes. They look a lot like yours. ArP marks, Armor seals, MagRes glyph and either move speed quint or ArPen quint, depending on who I face.

P.S.2. I'm not an AD runes fan. I find them useless past lvl 3, compared to ArPen runes, wich are useful for the whole game.
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DuffTime (670) | January 18, 2012 9:36am
Astrality wrote:

This build work for me. Fair enough. However, sometimes I pick Cleanse instead of heal, if I'm up vs par example Ryze, Cho solo top, Riven jungle, and Vayne and Taric bot. Because I get ganked all the time after my 4th or 5th kill, and having lceance allows me to use berserker's instead of mercury's, which I find to be the better choice. But yeah, nice build, just need to learn how to fully utilize it.

Side-note! Got ganked 5 vs 1 once. This led me to getting a quadra and my team pushing the base/winning the game. Huzzah for 65% reduced crowd control effects.


Cleanse is good yeah, but it doesn't enable you to do the most important aspect of this guide which is land kills- even if it means a tower dive- (As long as you know where jungle is) at level TWO!

Ryze is a strong counter to Tryn. Taking "The long haul" summoners isn't what I'd recommend. Your best bet is to go balls deep, Heal Ignite, and try to land the kill at level 2, because IF YOU CAN, you might win the lane for keeps. IF YOU CAN'T, you're gonna lose anyway so why the hell not? ;)

Also I don't use Merc treads. **** CC, get money d0g :P

If you need help working it out, add me in game and we can do a few customs until you feel comfortable.

lo0q wrote:

I'm suprised this actually works. You just go in and triple kill just like that.


YEAP, I'm surprised this guide isn't 99% yet.
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Astrality (3) | January 17, 2012 10:55pm
This build work for me. Fair enough. However, sometimes I pick Cleanse instead of heal, if I'm up vs par example Ryze, Cho solo top, Riven jungle, and Vayne and Taric bot. Because I get ganked all the time after my 4th or 5th kill, and having lceance allows me to use berserker's instead of mercury's, which I find to be the better choice. But yeah, nice build, just need to learn how to fully utilize it.

Side-note! Got ganked 5 vs 1 once. This led me to getting a quadra and my team pushing the base/winning the game. Huzzah for 65% reduced crowd control effects.
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lo0q | January 17, 2012 8:53pm
I'm suprised this actually works. You just go in and triple kill just like that.
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DuffTime (670) | January 17, 2012 7:32pm
I do think that the nerfs will have a negative impact on him as a champion :P

Thanks though!
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TheRedBerserker | January 17, 2012 5:47pm
Strong build. Just love the idea on the early game gameplay. I was always a "Tryn-hater" but you converted me (i even got his cool viking skin, which is the nicest imo, but thats beside the point ^^)

Do you think that the nerfs on him will affect him a lot ?
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DuffTime (670) | January 14, 2012 7:57pm
Thanks :)
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Estranghero_47 | January 14, 2012 4:45pm
Very Good Build!
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DuffTime (670) | January 13, 2012 8:54am
NewPlayer wrote:

Won all of my last 10 games using this and went 146/38/94. Only lost one lane (vs Nocturne), but recovered very nicely even that game.

I really like this style. Got some questions if you don't mind:
1. After the initial boots + 4 healpots, do you still buy healpots the first few times you go back to base (despite buying VampScepter)? If you were to skip the VampScepter until after Infinity Edge, how would you go about HealPots then?
2. If you come back to base with 1k-ish Gold after completing Zeal, you just buy Cloak of Agility instead of going back and insisting on buying BF Sword first, right?
3. Another guide favored maxing Mocking Shout before maxing Ulti because the Ulti improves only very slightly with points 2 and 3. It seemed to me like I more frequently could have used lower CD + bigger effect on E and W while chasing than that I thought "argh my ulti is not up for another 10-20 secs)". You think it is bad to max E (and possibly even W) before maxing Ulti (obviously putting 1 point in Ulti at lvl 6)?
4. Should Nocturne be a good matchup for me? It didn't really feel like I messed up until AFTER losing the first fight, but it's obviously very possible that I did.

Thanks.


1; Depends on their threat level. If they can't threaten you, 1 - 2 pots in a nice buffer post ganks to keep you in lane. If they can threaten you I will even take 3-4 pots every base as long as I can buy 2-3 wards as well. Wards > Pots in the new meta.

2; Sure, or the pick. If you have 1k flat wards and crit cloak will be fine. Try not to base if you don't have to if you can't afford the BF.

3; This may be preference, but my logic is that I use ulti every time it's off CD and the new meta is super gank heavy. That ulti allows me to play more forward aggressive style. I'd personally have to say I'm gonna be sinking my points into ulti, because Tryn sucks so bad without his ulti, and you can't make big plays at all until his ulti is up :P

4; Never tried the lane, but I can see why he might provide some issues. Unless you land crits his passive would out burst you and his attack damage is high due to his Q. Will have to try it. I think Tryn will win though in early engages where he can land crits.

thebigd wrote:

First, great strategy with this one. Thanks for the post. Now my question.....

Too ofetn I pick Trynd trying to use your setup, I'm getting counter pick Mord who is kicking my ***, any suggestions?


I've only ever laned vrs Morde once, and I was super laggy, but it was the one time I lost in a custom with Morde.

I mean it was ABYSMALLY laggy. So I really don't know. I haven't tried the match since.
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thebigd (1) | January 13, 2012 6:40am
First, great strategy with this one. Thanks for the post. Now my question.....

Too ofetn I pick Trynd trying to use your setup, I'm getting counter pick Mord who is kicking my ***, any suggestions?
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NewPlayer | January 13, 2012 4:34am
Won all of my last 10 games using this and went 146/38/94. Only lost one lane (vs Nocturne), but recovered very nicely even that game.

I really like this style. Got some questions if you don't mind:
1. After the initial boots + 4 healpots, do you still buy healpots the first few times you go back to base (despite buying VampScepter)? If you were to skip the VampScepter until after Infinity Edge, how would you go about HealPots then?
2. If you come back to base with 1k-ish Gold after completing Zeal, you just buy Cloak of Agility instead of going back and insisting on buying BF Sword first, right?
3. Another guide favored maxing Mocking Shout before maxing Ulti because the Ulti improves only very slightly with points 2 and 3. It seemed to me like I more frequently could have used lower CD + bigger effect on E and W while chasing than that I thought "argh my ulti is not up for another 10-20 secs)". You think it is bad to max E (and possibly even W) before maxing Ulti (obviously putting 1 point in Ulti at lvl 6)?
4. Should Nocturne be a good matchup for me? It didn't really feel like I messed up until AFTER losing the first fight, but it's obviously very possible that I did.

Thanks.
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DuffTime (670) | January 11, 2012 12:08pm
l0l >:P
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Wintermond (189) | January 11, 2012 10:10am
This Guide sucks.

upvoted.
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DuffTime (670) | January 11, 2012 8:27am
That's fine, although personally LW > TBC.

QSS is a good pick up as well.

BT, a GA, however you like really...

^_^
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NewPlayer | January 11, 2012 3:16am
works very well. Strong guide!
What would you standardly buy after you got Greaves + Vamp + Zeal + Infinity and the game is not over? Your guide lists how to alternate your items early vs certain opponents, but I didn't find what you'd generally buy after in a standard game.

I generally go Phantom Dancer -> Black Cleaver -> Sell Greaves and Buy Treads instead -> Blood Thirster then. Does that make sense to you?

Thanks.
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DuffTime (670) | January 9, 2012 7:32am
Thanks! :)
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EternalXcalibur (1) | January 9, 2012 2:45am
Great guide :D
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DuffTime (670) | January 8, 2012 11:48pm
Yeah if you get a gank with full rage bar everything dies :P
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stinglock (9) | January 8, 2012 6:25pm
I was looking for a build that I could use to get some wins under my belt on my new sea account on friday, I gave this a go as the first time as trynd and it's so damn effective.

I find myself up against 1v2's alot too, just play safe and make sure your rage is up when your jungler ganks (if you're lucky).
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DuffTime (670) | January 8, 2012 6:11pm
It's all very very different but these summoners will still be strong.

You may not be able to use this strategy however of getting kills in a 1v2, you'll have to judge that yourself.
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NewPlayer | January 8, 2012 9:52am
I am just level 14 so in nearly all of my games I face 2 opponents at top lane.
Should this build also be optimal when I fight 1vs2 on top lane? Do I still try to kill them? Seems much harder to do.
Will this also work well when I fight 2vs2 on my lane or is it just a very different game then?
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DuffTime (670) | January 8, 2012 3:02am
Acoil wrote:

Yeah my penta is your build, build 3. i got it on Lol recorder if u wanna see (:


Cool nice man :)


Great Guide, Thank You.


Cheers and good luck.

Use the pots to hit level 2 and have good HP and full rage and fight hard! :)



Very strong strategy, very in-depth. How do you react on a babysitting jungler?
Like let's say a lvl 2 ganking maokai and a solotop with ignite or something, this is one of the difficulties I tend to encounter and is just how I counter another trynda.


Ward a lot, you should have 2-3 wards minimum after 10 minute mark as a solo, because you're running a high-threat-when-fed champion, you're gonna have to anticipate that ganks -will- be coming and even more when you get a kill or two.

When they come, it depends how strong you feel and how strong the opponent feels to you. Consider whether you have summoners, ult, and if that jungle has red buff.

If they have red buff you'll usually wanna back away with a spin. If they catch you with a snare maybe and you know you won't get away try to burst down the red buff with a few crits using your ult so the red buff champion can't chase you down for the kill and spin away.

If they don't have any red, and you have summoners and ult, well then... *Points down at PsiGuard quote*

PsiGuard wrote:

Duff says kill both of them.


Nugga wrote:

Man, this is just crazily effective.

+1 for the "lets get first blood at lvl 2, shall we?"-tactic. Its just mad, but damn it works!
But I was wondering.. who would win the lane matchup between the Duff-laf and Duffdamere ?

Btw. have you seen the [Pantheon] guide called "Pantheon, The IP Farmer" by DEWO? I think you should gather some inspiration from mr. DEWO and rename your guide: "Duff-damere - The IP Farmer 2.0".

- Nugga


Hahaha cheers :P

Well it's odd. I've never lost to a Tryn with my Olaf and I've never lost to an Olaf with my Tryn.

This leads me to believe that they both have weaknesses and the intelligent player can find them and abuse them.

If Olaf fight Tryn hard at lvl 1 pre rage bar Olaf should be able to win the lane, but heal ignite makes it really scary.

*Hands in the air*

If there were no summoners, I'd say Olaf wins, but with summoners it gets hard. Heal ignite doesn't work that well for Olaf.. :P


Congrats on first guide of 2012. Will test this OP-ness out in a normal today.


Good luck and may your map awareness be good and your bravery know no limits.

... At level 2 :)
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SirNameless (2) | January 8, 2012 1:59am
Congrats on first guide of 2012. Will test this OP-ness out in a normal today.
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Nugga | January 7, 2012 6:08pm
Man, this is just crazily effective.

+1 for the "lets get first blood at lvl 2, shall we?"-tactic. Its just mad, but damn it works!
But I was wondering.. who would win the lane matchup between the Duff-laf and Duffdamere ?

Btw. have you seen the [Pantheon] guide called "Pantheon, The IP Farmer" by DEWO? I think you should gather some inspiration from mr. DEWO and rename your guide: "Duff-damere - The IP Farmer 2.0".

- Nugga
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PsiGuard (862) | January 7, 2012 1:10pm

Very strong strategy, very in-depth. How do you react on a babysitting jungler?
Like let's say a lvl 2 ganking maokai and a solotop with ignite or something, this is one of the difficulties I tend to encounter and is just how I counter another trynda.

Ward.

Spin.

Don't push against someone who's being babysat.

I'll leave any further advice to Duff.
inb4 Duff says kill both of them.
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Temzilla (211) | January 7, 2012 6:18am
DuffTime wrote:



Let's run it? :)


K :D

Also, I'm wondering how an armor page teemo would do against this Trynd.

I add you, doing stuff to move in right now, but i'll be on later.
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AtherAngelus | January 7, 2012 6:06am
Very strong strategy, very in-depth. How do you react on a babysitting jungler?
Like let's say a lvl 2 ganking maokai and a solotop with ignite or something, this is one of the difficulties I tend to encounter and is just how I counter another trynda.
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worrior4111 (1) | January 6, 2012 8:18pm
This is very... interesting. I just hit lvl 30 on my account, and was planning on trying to drag my self through ELO hell with tryndamere. I had been using what i thought was a faceroll-pushbeast-unstopable-tryndamere build. It was very simple. Vamp scepter level 1. Max Q first. Get Berserkers greaves as soon as I have enough. Go back to lane and don't leave till I have enough for PD. At that point I couldn't be bullied out of anything, I could push and farm like crazy, and I was great help for team objectives. I would then go BT, saving IE for last!!! Ik sounds dumb, but it worked. I also ran ghost tp for summoners. I felt this gave me the most map mobility and synergy with my ult. But since obviously you know more than me, I think I will try this, as it seems different, probably better. I hadn't tried a lot of different trynd builds, so a breath of fresh air will be nice. Great Guide, Thank You.
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Nighthawk (675) | January 6, 2012 6:26pm
Mordekaiser'd is my new favorite word :P
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Acoil (14) | January 6, 2012 4:57pm
Yeah my penta is your build, build 3. i got it on Lol recorder if u wanna see (:
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DuffTime (670) | January 6, 2012 3:40pm
Acoil wrote:

Penta kill with build 3 (:


P.S; is the penta in your sig using my build? :P
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DuffTime (670) | January 6, 2012 3:33pm

Ever tried starting double-golems/wraithsteal. It will make u loose out on 1 health pot and 100'ish(not sure about this) health but it will make u level half a wave faster than ur opponent, earlier zoning/killing capabilities wins games :D


I haven't tried it, I don't think it's worth it for my pay style, but I'll run it in a custom to see how I like it.

PRoblem is I'd have 2 HP pots instead of 4 and just a teeny bit more EXP and I really think it's not what I want with the Heal/Ignite strategy using boots.

Now with Cloth Armor I'd enter with4 pots and that MIGHT make it worth doing in games where I take cloth armor (Which is essentially never)


tryn vs olaf top?


Never tried Olaf vrs Heal Ignite Tryn. Olaf beats Tryn without Heal Ignite but with it Tryn might win.

Acoil wrote:

Penta kill with build 3 (: you rock Duff! 1+ from acoil, and Very very good written guide! worth reading! but how do you get 4 health potions at start? :P


You wait in base until you can buy the 4th one and go to lane ^_^
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Acoil (14) | January 6, 2012 3:20pm
Penta kill with build 3 (: you rock Duff! 1+ from acoil, and Very very good written guide! worth reading! but how do you get 4 health potions at start? :P
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OutbackIsAwesome | January 6, 2012 3:08pm
tryn vs olaf top?
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Pølsemanden (142) | January 6, 2012 3:05pm
Ever tried starting double-golems/wraithsteal. It will make u loose out on 1 health pot and 100'ish(not sure about this) health but it will make u level half a wave faster than ur opponent, earlier zoning/killing capabilities wins games :D
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DuffTime (670) | January 6, 2012 10:34am
Heal is just overpowered now and it's what allows me to kill you pre level 6, even if that means taking a turret shot or two to do it.

You don't ever want to use your Q if you don't have to, that's how you get walked on in lane. Your opponent needs to know you can crit them whenever you want to.

Your build is fairly good but your skill order is off. :P
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mariopwns (16) | January 6, 2012 10:29am
Interesting build my friend. I really only have one question. What use would heal be if you already have bloodlust. Also I'd like you to try something out for me. go 24/3/3 with death time reduction plus armor and magic resist while taking all teh physical damage buffs. Also please check out my Tryndamere build THE TRYNDABOSS. I'd really like some feedback on it because it is my first build ever. :)
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DuffTime (670) | January 6, 2012 9:01am

lol


Something funny bro?

Rozsud3k wrote:

Works perfectly as intended.


Indeed it does :)
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Rozsud3k (12) | January 6, 2012 5:10am
Works perfectly as intended.
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F33D3R__GHOST | January 6, 2012 4:26am
lol
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DuffTime (670) | January 5, 2012 11:50pm
Rofl xP
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WaffleWarrior (34) | January 5, 2012 11:45pm
FULL ARMOR PAGE COUNTER. wait, you are the only person that has that o.o
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DuffTime (670) | January 5, 2012 11:30pm
Because I had a limited time to win before you Mordekaiser'd me and you weren't fighting me at all.
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Nighthawk (675) | January 5, 2012 11:26pm
I only said it cause you built it first and then finished PD, and I was like, wtf, you have heal and q, plus ult to survive, why not at least build damage first? :P

Plus MS op -_-
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DuffTime (670) | January 5, 2012 11:21pm
I can't do anything to a fed Morde who wont leave his tower lol.

He only said that specifically because I built it in our match and lost Psi lol.
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PsiGuard (862) | January 5, 2012 11:20pm
.....did no one else hear me say CC? Damage and GA aren't that helpful if you can't stay near your target.

It's far from core, but it can work just fine.
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Nighthawk (675) | January 5, 2012 11:15pm
well tbh Duff I think you should have built damage anyways :P

no IE :P
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DuffTime (670) | January 5, 2012 11:12pm
It's cause he beat me when I lagged and fed like 2 kills on a turret automatically. Then he caught up in CS and just defended turret with Morde, couldn't dive, so I hard to buy a FM just to keep him near me and by then it was too late.

*Shrug*

FM is fine when the game doesn't conspire against you and give out kills like candy.
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Nighthawk (675) | January 5, 2012 11:11pm
PsiGuard wrote:

^that's b/c you're lame and don't like CC


that's because you do no damage with it ga > fm anyways
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Nighthawk (675) | January 5, 2012 11:11pm
PsiGuard wrote:

^that's b/c you're lame and don't like CC


that's because you do no damage with it ga > fm anyways
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PsiGuard (862) | January 5, 2012 11:09pm
^that's b/c you're lame and don't like CC
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Nighthawk (675) | January 5, 2012 11:08pm
Strong build...

I would never buy FM tho :P
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DuffTime (670) | January 5, 2012 11:07pm
PsiGuard wrote:

baddie

SotO still sucks though :P


>:P


DUFF!!!! =D

Great guide, although I don't see Tryndamere being able to do this I totally think this is viable (like when my friend carried with atmogs Tryndamere?? O_O). Love it haha!

P.S Maybe link your guide in your signature =P So people will have an easier time getting to your guides =D


What lol xD

Thanks! :)
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CasterMaster (316) | January 5, 2012 10:50pm
DUFF!!!! =D

Great guide, although I don't see Tryndamere being able to do this I totally think this is viable (like when my friend carried with atmogs Tryndamere?? O_O). Love it haha!

P.S Maybe link your guide in your signature =P So people will have an easier time getting to your guides =D
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PsiGuard (862) | January 5, 2012 10:29pm
baddie

SotO still sucks though :P
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DuffTime (670) | January 5, 2012 10:20pm
neagrosk wrote:

Nice


Thanks :D
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DuffTime (670) | January 5, 2012 10:19pm
THANKS :DDD
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Freddy Shopan (23) | January 5, 2012 10:05pm
BAM B-DAM UPVOTE!
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neagrosk | January 5, 2012 9:49pm
Nice
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DuffTime (670) | January 5, 2012 9:37pm
Quoted:

OMGDUFFMADEATRYNGUIDE.
NOW EVERYONE'S GONNA USE AND RAPE ME
;C


ehueheuheu ;p
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DuffTime (670) | January 5, 2012 9:35pm
Temzilla wrote:

Last +13 armor trynd i played against i two shot @ level 1 with d-blade udyr.

Q> Wait > auto > Q > Auto > Ignite > collect 400g.


Let's run it? :)
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DuffTime (670) | January 5, 2012 9:34pm
LOL ily2 :)
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Atherton Wing (2) | January 5, 2012 9:34pm
**** you duff. i hate you. so much. like you have no idea how much i hate you. i hope you burn in hell.

but nice guide.
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DuffTime (670) | January 5, 2012 9:33pm

noiiiice. I keep telling people about atma's haha. It's an efficient item even early (even if it's not aaas efficient). Imma have to try Tryn, though. Seems OP.

How would you deal with a Kennen top, though? Just counter-build runes?


As a counter item it's still OP.

Dunno, never tried the lane before! :P
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Embracing (347) | January 5, 2012 8:12pm
OMGDUFFMADEATRYNGUIDE.
NOW EVERYONE'S GONNA USE AND RAPE ME
;C
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SoapBark (5) | January 5, 2012 7:58pm
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/5705/ss2an.png

Here are my results with this build
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Temzilla (211) | January 5, 2012 7:14pm
DuffTime wrote:

I wouldn't know! I've never seen a Doran's Blade udyr but I think I would **** on it lol.

And thanks! :D


Last +13 armor trynd i played against i two shot @ level 1 with d-blade udyr.

Q> Wait > auto > Q > Auto > Ignite > collect 400g.
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Freddy Shopan (23) | January 5, 2012 7:09pm
noiiiice. I keep telling people about atma's haha. It's an efficient item even early (even if it's not aaas efficient). Imma have to try Tryn, though. Seems OP.

How would you deal with a Kennen top, though? Just counter-build runes?
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DuffTime (670) | January 5, 2012 7:07pm
I wouldn't know! I've never seen a Doran's Blade udyr but I think I would **** on it lol.

And thanks! :D
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Temzilla (211) | January 5, 2012 6:55pm
SILLY ME, I FORGOT TO GIVE YOU A THUMBS UP.
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Temzilla (211) | January 5, 2012 6:54pm
Damnit duff. :(

You're not supposed to tell people about the REALLY good stuff.

Quick note though, what do you do against Doran's Blade Udyr?

Most of them I've seen run flash/ignite, so, do you just hope that you can heal through the ignite?
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DuffTime (670) | January 5, 2012 6:48pm
PsiGuard wrote:

2nd build needs a skill sequence. Also, why don't you start cloth5 on a high armor build? It seems to me like you'd be able to make great use of it against the right champion, like Garen. I think you mentioned cloth5 in your guide, but I'm wondering why you list boots3 in the cheatsheet.

I also think Sword of the Occult is one of the worst items in the game and should never be taken under any circumstances. If you're doing well enough to stack it (it becomes cost-efficient at around 11 stacks I believe), you can just build earlier damage items and stomp either way.

Looks like I'll have to actually solo top with Tryndamere one of these days and try out Ignite- Heal. I'm pretty sure I've actually never played him in top lane ^^


Tanks for the comments and yeah I fixed that as you wrote this xP

TBH, I could have 6-7 stacks by the 10 minute mark EASILY. Move speed is sooo good on Tryn too, the item is actually not trash.

I generally agree with you, and wouldn't build it in most games. I wouldn't build most of those items in most games, I'm not joking when I say I don't even get to finish I.E. in a lot of my games.

It goes Zeal B.F. surrender almost every time.

I'll show you my Tryn one of these days so I can squeak a vote out of you >:P

Vavena wrote:

I hate vsing this tryn..


Heueheuheueheue
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Vavena (152) | January 5, 2012 6:43pm
I hate vsing this tryn..
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PsiGuard (862) | January 5, 2012 6:36pm
2nd build needs a skill sequence. Also, why don't you start cloth5 on a high armor build? It seems to me like you'd be able to make great use of it against the right champion, like Garen. I think you mentioned cloth5 in your guide, but I'm wondering why you list boots3 in the cheatsheet.

I also think Sword of the Occult is one of the worst items in the game and should never be taken under any circumstances. If you're doing well enough to stack it (it becomes cost-efficient at around 11 stacks I believe), you can just build earlier damage items and stomp either way.

Looks like I'll have to actually solo top with Tryndamere one of these days and try out Ignite- Heal. I'm pretty sure I've actually never played him in top lane ^^
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DuffTime (670) | January 5, 2012 4:48pm
Cool glad to hear it!

That's how I felt when Q1imax told me about what he was doing. ^_^
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The_Nameless_Bard (604) | January 5, 2012 4:41pm
Looks really good...you have inspired to to try Tryndamere again. :D
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DuffTime (670) | January 5, 2012 4:00pm

Pretty to the point. I wouldn't mind a Tyrndamere using this on my team so here's the upvote!


Thanks ^_^

jeffdaking wrote:

Level 2 killing with turret dive is really op.


L0L nobody ever sees it coming. If they make 1 wrong move they just die.


Another pro guide.


Cheers! :D
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BrokenYozeff | January 5, 2012 3:56pm
Another pro guide.
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jeffdaking | January 5, 2012 3:52pm
Level 2 killing with turret dive is really op.
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Phoenix0000ff (78) | January 5, 2012 3:45pm
Pretty to the point. I wouldn't mind a Tyrndamere using this on my team so here's the upvote!
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DuffTime (670) | January 5, 2012 3:45pm
Lol never been troll upvoted before >:P

Thanks rogue voter!
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redbean123 | January 5, 2012 3:43pm
omg dis gide so gud maek enmy do endles raje insted of u lol gg upvotd
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redbean123 | January 5, 2012 3:43pm
omg dis gide so gud maek enmy do endles raje insted of u lol gg upvotd
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DuffTime (670) | January 5, 2012 3:17pm
Mowen wrote:

Duff real solo top


Realiest!

Tanks Mowen :P

SoapBark wrote:

the only bad thing about this build
is that the games end to quick
and i cant play much


real


HONESTLY The exact same though went through my head after my 4th or 5th 20 minute surrender.

I always get to B.F. sword and they surrender >:(
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SoapBark (5) | January 5, 2012 3:06pm
the only bad thing about this build
is that the games end to quick
and i cant play much


real
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Mowen (508) | January 5, 2012 3:05pm
Duff real solo top
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DuffTime (670) | January 5, 2012 2:46pm
ClearDays wrote:

I`ve always rushed Wriggle`s like, every game :c

Normally, champions like Riven, Garen, and Renekton tend to push their lanes when harassing, due to their AoE. I just rush my wriggles and last hit at tower, with Chain vest following.

I guess Atmas could be viable before Wriggles. I`d have to try it out.


Yeah after like 60+ match ups and different gear orders tested I've found Riven is just free as ****.

She can't push if she can't go near creeps.

She can't go near creeps if she can't threaten you because you have 150 armor at level 8.

She can't even lane if she can't hurt you ^_^
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DuffTime (670) | January 5, 2012 2:44pm
Nighthawk wrote:

k, leveling up e so much better then leveling up w -_-


It is better when you get a kill at level 2 and your opponent is zero threat and you want to just roll their face into the ground. It's a lot better for that.
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ClearDays (29) | January 5, 2012 2:31pm
I`ve always rushed Wriggle`s like, every game :c

Normally, champions like Riven, Garen, and Renekton tend to push their lanes when harassing, due to their AoE. I just rush my wriggles and last hit at tower, with Chain vest following.

I guess Atmas could be viable before Wriggles. I`d have to try it out.
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Nighthawk (675) | January 5, 2012 2:22pm
k, leveling up e so much better then leveling up w -_-
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SoapBark (5) | January 5, 2012 2:06pm
It's almost not fair for the opposing team. If you get 4 kills early, its GG.
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DuffTime (670) | January 5, 2012 1:30pm
Thanks br0 ^_^
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DesertStormX (1) | January 5, 2012 1:19pm
Good guide. Very informative and explains each part (item builds/runes/masteries/laning strategy/etc.) with detail.
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Nighthawk (675) | January 5, 2012 1:18pm
Didn't I play against you with this before?

Also I find it ridiculously hard to kill people with full armor pages without some real lucky crits, Riven in particular.
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DuffTime (670) | January 5, 2012 1:11pm
Cheers! :)

Tryn wins the pre 6 engages for free in my experience, and if he lands the kill the lane is over!
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DividableTower (1) | January 5, 2012 1:07pm
Easily one of the most comprehensive new Tryndamere builds.

This -massacres- most lanes, and I'm really glad you added in the hard match ups. I'd be happy to test Nidalee, but I'm pretty sure Tryndamere wins that one.

Anyway, cheers, upped.
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DuffTime (670) | January 5, 2012 1:06pm
Lmfao. DuffTime, Guarantee!!!! >:D
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SoapBark (5) | January 5, 2012 1:04pm
Great in-depth guide. I'll have to try it because of the Dufftime Guarantee.