As a jungler, vi isn't relied on for lots of damage. She can do fine with little to no damage item. Use red to stick to your opponent, IBG isn't very nice on her because it took to much time to build(assuming you will at least get boots+your respective spirit item, it will be at least 25~ minute or so).

Damage item is fine, tank top meta leaves room for a jungler to have some weight, but do remember that you're playing a melee champ, who doubles with an initiator role at that. Wanna hog all the gold just so you will be deleted in combat 3 seconds top? Feel free to go with your build. The only time you can pull your guide off is when you're stomping everywhere and want to end it before 30 minute mark. Build tanky, get BoTRK if you need to/want damage is the way to go.

I got this! The problem that you're encountering lies in a few areas. Firstly, E has low base damage even at max. 65 is just a sup-par amount of damage at max level, but the scaling on it is ridiculous. So, maxing it second, when you most likely have a more optimal amount of AD to scale off off, is just better. Q gives a fierce amount of base damage, and while i take e first, and then w, and then q on my first trip through the jungle, i max q first for the hard ganks you make with it maxed out quickly, and can use the auto-attack reset utility of e to apply good damage from my autos and w alone.

Iceborn gauntlet does do two things that are nice, in slowing enemies, and armoring you, as well as applying some ok damage on the slowing proc. HOWEVER, using the combination of trinity force, frozen mallet, and randuin's omen, gives you slightly less armor, for much more damage and HEALTH which benefits your passive as well as MAKES ARMOR MATTER MORE. most people dont understand this, but having over 150 armor, which you will with iceborn gauntlet alone, is a waste. anyone with last whisper or black cleaver will negate that armor, but we still NEED it for a few reasons.

the reason we buy armor at all instead of stacking health is this:

assuming the enemy has 0 armor penetration and does only physical damage, when we have 100 armor means their damage is cut in half. THIS MEANS WE HAVE 2X THE AMOUNT OF HEALTH WE SEE ON SCREEN WHEN BEING ATTACKED BY THIS OPPONENT. as damage mitigation diminishes quickly after 100 armor, it is much more cost efficient and EFFECTIVE FOR SURVIVAL to buy health after you get around 100-150 armor, which you can get with RANDUINS OMEN ALONE.

Blood Thirster looks cool, but with Spirit of the Elder Lizard Black Cleaver Iceborn Gauntlet and Bloodthirster you have 150-180 bonus AD, 30 AP and MUCH less survivability due to the fact you will lose out on 500-800 health provided you get Frozen Mallet Randuin's or Spirit Visage and personally? randuins together with iceborn gaunlet is a waste of money because thats too high an armor value, and % armor reduction destroys MORE armor while you have LESS health to COMPENSATE FOR THAT. meaning high damage + % armor reduction/penetration lets carries KILL YOU LIKE YOURE A TEEMO! Your TARGETS are carries, so putting yourself in a position to be MOST VULNERABLE TO THEM is not the way to play Vi.

With Spirit of the elder lizard, randuin's omen, maw of malmortius, frozen mallet, triforce, you have 150 AD and 1450 health. you have extra move speed, and attack speed, attack speed debuffs for the enemy, TONS of sticking potential, and with that combination of health, armor, and MR, your survivability is VERY high. As well as the fact that it might not be aoe damage, but your sheen proc does 300 EXTRA DAMAGE in addition to double your BASE values when it procs. not to mention that your w does 28% max health damage ANYWAY.

HOWEVER. I already made that guide.

Id say stick with iceborn gauntlet, but combo it with frozen mallet for the GREAT amount of survivability and sticking potential those twins provide. TAKE BLACK CLEAVER OUT OF YOUR BUILD. you're killing carries right? do they build armor? no? waste of money. black cleaver IS NOT a core item on vi. shes here to kill a carry, not nasus.

Spirit visage is garbage if you dont need the health, which you won't so drop that. "oh but it helps my health regen and lifesteal!" you get 20 regen plus 4 from stacking on itself, plus 20% of base health regen. okay thats alright i guess. but thats only 3% lifesteal extra from spirit visage.

its garbage. throw it away.

Get maw of malmortius! it has a nice amount of mr and a passive shield. know who likes shields? vi. it also has more AD. **** yea, more AD!

so, a spirit stone, choice of boots, iceborn gauntlet and frozen mallet, choice of bloodthirster BotRK or Maw of malmortius, that leaves you with the option of taking Locket of the Iron Solari to help your team, or warmog's to help yourself! The only problem with this build that i can see is the struggle to do good damage in the transition between early and mid game, maybe mix in part of the bloodthirster/botrk like the vamp scepter, or the hexdrinker or pickaxe! but all in all, changing only the item in your build and leaving the other things the same, this would take your AD and Health to 55-160 bonus AD from items depending on what you do at the 5th item choice and which spirit stone you get, and 1000-2050 bonus HP from items. as well as the bonus that your sheen proc does 68-200 AOE damage PLUS 1.25X your base values, and your w does 12%-15% max health damage on proc from items alone ignoring BotRK's passive as well as bonus AD from masteries and runes!

In my opinion, this would improve your build while still keeping the core parts that make it good!

ONE MORE THING. Think about vi's w. it does a static 20% armor reduction to the target. since you can apply it in less than 3 seconds and OTHER PEOPLE BENEFIT FROM THE ARMOR SHRED HELPING THEM KILL THE ENEMY FASTER THAN THEY COULD WITHOUT YOU, why do you have ANY ARMOR PENETRATION IN YOUR RUNES.

Any jungler. ANY JUNGLER. any JUNGLER should take movement speed quints. you want to gank OFTEN, that is your number one concern, and being faster helps you gank often AND helps you maneuver in a fight in a more advantageous way, AND as VI PARTICULARLY, helps you stick to your opponent. PLEASE GET THEM.

Also, I don't think you realize how little 5.1% attack speed is, that is the equivalent of how much you gain from gaining a level.

IT IS VERY LITTLE. PLS PUT 9 AD REDS, BECAUSE YOUR ABILITIES SCALE REALLY HARD AND SACRIFICING THIS DAMAGE THAT HELPS EVERY ABILITY YOU HAVE AND YOUR AUTOATTACK IS NOT WORTH ADDING A MAXIMUM OF .016 ATTACKS PER SECONDS TO YOUR AUTO ATTACKS ONLY.

9 AD reds, 9 armor yellows, 9 flat MR blues, 3 move speed quints.

I'm ****ing begging you xD.

gj on the guide. but pls improve it using my advice. TRY OUT MY SUGGESTIONS YOURSELF. YOU WILL HAVE THE BEST VI GAME YOUVE EVER HAD. I GUARANTEE IT.

I would prefer you explaining why they suck, instead of just saying they are bad
Iceborn is useful in teamfights, and, in general, are great for sticking to an opponent, not to mention the fact is has built in armor so you can go for banshee's instead of a GA
Lifesteal items are sucky? Bloodthirster fully stacked gives 100 damage and 18% lifesteal, and blade of the ruined king already has 15% lifesteal and is mostly for increasing the attackspeed, when fighting bulky opponents.


Let me start by saying, than you for this constructive criticism, unlike the post above you.
What better choices are there than iceborn? There are no other items that I know of, that have armor and a slow when attacking. I'm assuming you would replace this with trinity force, but then you wouldn't be able to go for banshees veil, but stick with GA for both armor and magic resist. This is sub-optimal as your blast shield is reliant on your health.
What suggestions would you make instead of lifesteal? It's necessary for some sustain, and bloodthirster is one of the hardest hitting items in the game when fully stacked.

-Changed preferred build to show banshees, as you already have armor from the iceborn, randuins becomes unnecessary

i have to agree with vyn. q max is pretty much the way to go 90%+ of the time. just gives you so much more than leveling E. swifties are not optimal imo. iceborn is okay but other choices better imo. i don't get the life steal stuff when you don't really do enough damage to really take advantage. better off building MR item like banshee's. no mention of trinity force?

lot of work left to get this guide to be a legit guide. good luck.

Q max is mandatory and your build sucks, swiftness boots, iceborn and all the lifesteal items are quite sucky.

Let me start this off by saying thanks for your comment
-I've tried Q first, have found that it works pretty well, but I still prefer to start with E.
-I've moved the Lore down to the bottom of the Guide, but haven't put it into a spoiler because for some reason, I cant use the spoiler button on my phone and ipod.
-Will add jungling tips and other item options later when I have time

Thanks for the feedback :)

Personally I prefer maxing Q first. Also, you should put the Lore in a spoiler tag since it takes up a bunch of room and doesn't really contribute anything. Some more explanations on runes, item options, and jungling tips would also add quality info.
But a pretty good guide so far, +1