terrorizing the small - Champion idea

[quote=Sporner]original post: [spoiler] i first want to excuse all the spelling and grammar mistakes i'll probablydo, as englisch isn't my mothertongue i came up with the idea of making a champion whichuses the own minions as a resource. this extends to the point of killing them before the enemy does. i didnt do too much thinking about most of the abilitys, so if anione has better ideas than mine ill think about them. however they should include some damaging or throwing minions around. anything like that. the thing i spent most time on is the passive and i dont really want to change it too much. PASSIVE: Champ gets a stacks through his active abilities, depending on the abilities. The stack capacity is twice the champion level. upon being hit by a stun, silence, slow or beeing immobilized, part of the effects duration is dealt to a nearby friendly minion insead, ammounting to (((18+S)/(20+C))*(S/C))*100% of the duration, where S equals the number of stacks and C is the current champion level. as some of you will notice there are cases wheremore than 100% of the duration are transferred to a friendly minion, which means that the minion is longer affected than you are. if balancing allows it id like to add some bonus that you get for managing to be that mean to your little friends: id like to give him (as i dont want the whole champ to end up as some weird domina...) a heal from minions affected, like (((18+S)/(20+C))*(S/C)-1)*(C^3)/100 percent of the minions health, which should be a maximum of 107.43% of the minions current health. Q: champ picks up a targetted minion, throwing it towards the cursor upon second activation (edit: champ can walk or use his other abilities between picking up and throwing). the minion will cling to an enemy champion hit, slowing him depending on the size of the minion (the range of the throw as well). the minion cant attack while clinging to the champion and a percentage of the damage it takes is dealt to the champion as well. if you dont hit a champion the minion deals true damage for 5 seconds. when a minion dies while under the influence of this ability the champ gains one stack. W: The champ steals some of the hp of a minion (or neutral monster) to heal. the steal should depend on ability power, champion level/max hp and the skill points in this ability. if a minion is killed by this ability this champ gains one stack. edit: alternate W: PASSIVE: the champ spawns quite useless minions over time (capacity = skill level). these minions will follow him everywhere, blocking incoming damage by chance. ACTIVE: sends away one of the minions (quite fast) to explore the terrain ahead (maybe he sends them by kicking them?) E: consumes one stack. The champ uses the energy of all nearby friendly minions to teleport towards the cursor. all nearby friendly minions are damaged depending on the traveled distance, ability power and their current health. there will be an ammount of damage to be displayed if the minions dont have enough energy the remaining damage will backfire at your health (or probably at your mana, not shure wether he should use mana). the champ gains a stack from each minion dieing of this ability. R: All stacks are consumed to summon some private army. Depending on the design it could be ravens or ghosts or skelletons etc., one entity per stack. each privat minion disappears after beeing hit once (ability/auto attack). they revolve around their master blocking all attacks and abilities directed towards him (by chance). enemy champions colliding with one of his servants suffer magic damage (champ level X ability level X one percent of ability power) and cause the servant to disappear. the diameter of the circulating entities should be quite small. second activation causes all servants to fly away into one direction. [/spoiler] "the undead king" (or "the ruined king" if you'd like to include a special quote when crafting "blade of the ruined king") first Rework: [spoiler] PASSIVE: being dead to begin with he can't suffer too much from bleeding or being poisoned. all damage ofer time effects are ineffective and result in a 20 percent slow for the same duration they would actually take effect instead. Q: diabolic feast Passive: this champ heals for 5 hp every time anything dies near him Active: leaps towards an enemy, neutral monster, dead champion or friendly minion, dealing 10 percent of targets maximum health physical damage (or dissolving the corpse) to heal for the damage dealt. both this champ and the target can't move for 0,5 seconds after the impact. W: PASSIVE: the champ spawns quite useless skeletons over time (capacity = skill level). these minions will follow him everywhere, blocking incoming damage by chance. ACTIVE: sends away one of the minions (quite fast) to explore the terrain ahead. E: champ picks up a targetted friendly minion, throwing it towards the cursor upon second activation. the minion will cling to an enemy champion hit, slowing him depending on the size of the minion. the minion cant attack while clinging to the champion and a percentage of the damage it takes is dealt to the champion as well. if you dont hit a champion the minion deals true damage for 2 seconds. explanation: [spoiler] champ can walk or use his other abilities between picking up and throwing. the damage percentage is dealt, because you can't hit the minion without hitting the champ as well. the slow dissapears after a certain range the enemy travelled, so the bigger the minion is the longer it takes to get rid of them, as the slowing effect is bigger as well. the range of the throw depends on the minions size as well, meaning it is quite hard to hit an enemy if the minion is too big. minion sizes from smallest to biggest: own skeletons - mage minions - normal minions - siege minions - super minions - tibbers [/spoiler] R: ??? [/spoiler] second Rework: PASSIVE: this champ spawns skelleton minions that keep close to him, trying to stand between him and incoming skillshots. when your mana drops below 100 (-5 x champion level) all skelletons crumble. your basic attacks cost mana. [spoiler] spawns one every 30 seconds (minimum time between minion death and respawn is 20 (-champion level) seconds. the base capacity is 1 (+1 at level 9). skelletons have 100hp (+15 x champion level), 20 armor, 500 sight range, meele auto attack (only attack enemies who meele attack their master, attack value equals 10 (+2 x champion level)), 200 (+15 x champ level) movement... [/spoiler] Q: diabolic feast Passive: -skelleton capacity +1 -champ heals for 5/7/10/15 hp every time anything dies near him Aktive: one of the skelletons jumps on the target dealing 50/80/120/200 physical damage (10 percent true damage, 100 percent lifesteal). both the target and the minion are stunned for 0,5 sekonds. when the skelleton returns, the master heals for the skelletons hp. [spoiler] the skelleton can jump 600/700/800/1000. if the skelleton is killed you get no heal. [/spoiler] W: Passive: - skelleton capacity +1 - skelleton range of sight + 50/100/200/350 Aktive: sends a skelleton ahead with +10/20/30/40 movement speed. the skelleton can see hidden units/champs/objects while travelling away. when the minion returns you immediately gain 100 (+50 x skill level) mana. [spoiler] the skelletons should have low enough range of sight to be killed before seeing too much (help with the numbers please). the skelleton travels to a preset position, like a marked area within 2000 paces of the champion. iff the skelleton is killed you dont get the mana. [/spoiler] E: skelleton capacity +1 champ picks up a targetted friendly minion, throwing it towards the cursor upon second activation. the minion will cling to an enemy champion hit, slowing him depending on the size of the minion. the minion cant attack while clinging to the champion and a percentage of the damage it takes is dealt to the champion as well. if you dont hit a champion the minion deals true damage for 2 seconds. [spoiler] champ can walk or use his other abilities between picking up and throwing. the damage percentage is dealt, because you can't hit the minion without hitting the champ as well. the slow dissapears after a certain range the enemy travelled, so the bigger the minion is the longer it takes to get rid of them, as the slowing effect is bigger as well. the range of the throw depends on the minions size (as well as on the skill level), meaning it is quite hard to hit an enemy if the minion is too big. minion sizes from smallest to biggest: own skeletons - mage minions - normal minions - siege minions - super minions - tibbers [/spoiler] R: Passive: - skelleton capacity +1 - skelletons get all item boni the champion gets (need some help with that, see spoiler) Active: champ transforms into one of his minions for 6/8/10 seconds. all his minions go aggro and deal bonus magical damage compareable to their masters auto attack and slow the enemy for 20 for 2/3/4 seconds on hit (stacks up to five times). if the minion controlled by the summoner is killed the summoner gains controll over the skelleton with the highest hp on the field. when the ability ends, the minion controlled at the moment transforms back into the champion. [spoiler] I want all skelletons to get a massive boost depending on the playstyle (Itembuild) of their master. im not shure wether unique effects like banshies veil could be implanted like that. for balancing id figure those unique effects should only be granted to the minions while the Ult is active. all skelletons should individually have the ability to jump at enemies like with the Q while aggro and have true sight like with the W. the controll skip would give you the ability to play reckless but you cant afford to stand in the middle of the enemy team when the Ultimate ends. however, your minions will act randomly so your abilitie wont be too useful for your team if you stay out off the fighting. [/spoiler][/quote]

[quote=Sporner]have fun thinking about the balance[/quote]

[quote=luizdeh]Seems like he wouldn't be able to do shit without minions around and would lose an incredible amount of time getting stacks trying to find them while everyone is fighting. He could be completely OP in lane and unplayable after as well. Engage in dragon pit? Good luck finding minions. Also, his ultimate should summon these minions: [img=http://static4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130806040136/despicableme/images/5/5d/Minions.jpeg][/quote]

[quote=Sporner]some rework done...[/quote]

[quote=Isolanporzellator]Really appreciate the rework, some great work has been done here. I am a bit uncomfortable with his passive anyways, as it is imo too matchup dependant (It would totally counter [[Swain]] for example, while being useless against many other champs except for their [[ignite]]). How about moving the passive part from the W in your passive (summoning your minions over time/when you cast abilities or whatever) and then making the W a controllable minion that can not only scout, but also damage enemies and infecting them with some slowing disease. This would also give more cc. For the Q, I believe it would fit better if his skeleton minions would jump to the target to... euhm, yeah... eat it? My reason for this is that I think he is meant to be a control mage type or something like that, and having to jump to a target to deal damage would make him too vulnerable (cuz mages/necromancers are somewhat squishy). Not sure about the E. Think it should probably stun or snare to give better escape and chase ability to make up for his lack of a gapcloser. He can throw his skeleton minions with this, right? For the ultimate - how about marking some enemy and letting all nearby creatures go aggro on him, aswell as putting your skeleton minions in an aggro state, where they can deal strong damage, jump and literally rip their target apart. Basically to add more burst to your kit. After all, bursting out of position enemies is what AP Casters do, and I think these mad skeletons jumping on an enemy and ripping him to bloody pieces would look insanely badass ;).[/quote]

[quote=Sporner]i'll try to include your points in the next rework, however the ability to jump by himself could also be used as an escape as it can be applied to own minions and corpses of your allies on the field as well.[/quote]

[quote=Isolanporzellator]Hm, then why do you even add damage? In a teamfight or 2v2 fights or often even in 1v1 jumping towards an enemy for the damage is suicide. Better let him get stronger with a resistance buff or heal when he jumps, this would fit the role of escape spell better. Btw you should add scaling to the passive Q effect so it doesn't get useless lategame.[/quote]

[quote=Double_E][quote=Isolanporzellator] For the ultimate - how about marking some enemy and letting all nearby creatures go aggro on him, aswell as putting your skeleton minions in an aggro state. [/quote] This seems like a good ultimate. Unique and interesting. However, it seems like it would be a bit underpowered in the late-game. Particularly since most team fights would take place out of lane. To add some late-game utility to it I would add that it adds a damage multiplier for enemy champions, similar to Poppy's ult. Not too much, maybe something like 15-20%. This would allow it to be cast on enemy carries to be wiped out, or tanks to be taken down even quicker in teamfights, while not being too overpowered in lane.[/quote]

[quote=Sporner]second rework up, but still far from perfect. iff you think it cant be balanced i might just pick up your suggestion for the ultimate[/quote]