League of Legends (LoL) Question: Train wreck of ally junglers (from the perspective of a support)
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Train wreck of ally junglers (from the perspective of a support)
I'm a support main who usually plays caster supports like Nami, Sona and a little bit of tanky ones like Alistar and Braum. Whenever I have an incompetent jungler in my team, I get severely affected by that situation. Either they're not coming at the right time or they're not coming at all. Whenever I try to inform them about global objectives, they are not cooperative at all.
I considered playing jungle myself, but it gets boring too quickly and I can't even play it at ranked. I'm fully aware that it's too hard and the pressure by your own team is too high.
I'm just wondering, how do I alleviate that ally jungler situation apart from being a jungler myself?
I considered playing jungle myself, but it gets boring too quickly and I can't even play it at ranked. I'm fully aware that it's too hard and the pressure by your own team is too high.
I'm just wondering, how do I alleviate that ally jungler situation apart from being a jungler myself?
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So no, changing your role is not a solution to getting screwed by teammates throwing, raging, or generally not playing the game. Whatever role you play you'll have that problem with another role. Jungle is just as team dependent because if your teammates don't follow up on your ganks you can't play.
So no, play the role you like, put your team of feeders on your back and 1v9. There's no other way.
In fact a bad ADC is far, far more harmful than a bad jungler. Because with a bad ADC you'll always lose the 2v2, while with a bad jungler you just have to deal with gank pressure while still having a strong lane.
In those cases just farm under tower for 15+ minutes and ward every gank path (adapt to the enemy jungler, e.g a Kayn won't use the same path as a Nunu, junglers are very predictable). With plating now you can defend your tower for a massive amount of time. You know people will gank you hard so you can respond to it. Bait people to dive you, CC/ignite the one with aggro under tower,
Bot lane is probably the least affected lane when the jungler is bad since you can pretty much take care of yourself, just ward properly that's all.
I am main support secondary jungler (gold-high gold).
The main job of jungler is to put pressure in the right place for getting objectives or achieving a lead. (Or make the other team take less if it counter/defensive gank).
What can you do when your jungler don't come bot or just farming his camps?
1) First remember it a team game and sometimes you will have someone who not play good as the team, accept the situation that you can't win every game.
But we still try to win, these is how:
2) As support, your role is not to support just the ADC is to support your whole team. You can do it by Roaming, Vision and stick to the carry (it may be mid or top).
A) Roaming - support can and should roam mid when he have the possibility. You do it while your ADC dead/recalling and you don't need to recall yourself. While you are the wining lane and you just pushed the enemies under tower. And while your lane behind and your ADC farming under tower. In addition check the mini map and your tab menu to know if a gank in mid will end the way you want, even force pressure or sumonner spells it enough.
B) Vision, Your jungler not that good so their team would probably have more pressure on the map. So you would want to use deep wards to know where their jungler is for counter his ganks and inform your team(good places are need his camps, blue buff or wolfs). Or ward need objectives like the dragon river (near the crab ward) so you would know if the enemy team do it or mid roam.
C) You can follow a player that win hard his lane to force objectives and kills. If your top lane is 6/0, and your ADC is 1/3 you usually would want to swap to follow top lane so your ADC will get more EXP alone, he would try to farm more while you do something helpful. And all your team will get gold or bonuses from global objectives. (you may get flamed for it in low elo)
Remember every lane would be happy to get help even if they wining to make the gap bigger, if your jungler don't do it they may need so support ^_^.
Good luck :D
1) True, not every game is winnable. But some people take it the wrong way around.
2) Personally, I usually follow who benefits me the most. That usually causes me to "abandon" ADCs. My vision score is way above the average.
A) As a caster support, roaming is a weak option. Most of them aren't as fast as tanky folks. It has 2 major risks: getting assassinated by the enemy jungler on the way and leaving the ADC alone for a considerable amount of time if that roam fails. Tunnel vision effect plays a big part in that situation.
B) As I said before, my vision score is above average(I can cite my source if you request). But, there is still room for improvement for me. My deep warding is bad and I can put the wrong kind of ward at the wrong place.
C) That's what I usually do if my ADC is hopeless. However, if that ADC becomes hopeless in the early game, I still have to be with that ADC as other laners would insta-kick me whenever I show up at their lane.
Ward placing is a big matter of practicing it and see what favor you more, you need to try to put the deep wards even if it mean you die, after some times you will learn when it safe to put the wards (usually after you know the enemy jungler position). In addition a way for a safe roam is knowing where the enemies are, map awareness and pathing.
Not very recommended but i some time stick to other lane even if they tell me to go away, half of the time it worth it, and half it wouldn't matter if i would be any where else.
If you don't have much to do you can try to kill the scuttle crab so you would get vision, gold, and the less camp your jungler have the more he would gank.