Ellodere
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Your first post
Your recent post (this one).
You are obviously repeating something from your last post and your problem isn't a very big deal to be honest. You are just having a hard time because you need to learn more about the game and improve on your own way through tons of practice, which I admit is hard at first.
I don't think you should blame "smurfs" because like you said in your current post, "why would people even start over for the sake of playing in co-op vs AI".
Co-op vs AI isn't that difficult to play against, trust me, 29-0 is easy considering that the AI isn't very smart compared to you and other players, it's kind of archaic at this point in my opinion, I haven't really seen any improvements or a more variety of difficulties on it so it's hard to say for sure if it's actually hard to do it. Anyway, I don't want to treat your post as an elitist jerk who says "OH ITS SO EZ, YOU JUST AINT GOT MAH SKILLZ". The reason you are getting "kicked in your ***" is because there are some underlying dynamics in the game and many other things that come into play when you fight an opponent, this applies to both AI games and normal games alike, because even if the coding of the AI is as mentioned above pretty archaic, it still shows some of the very basics of the game.
What you really should be focusing on right now is mastering playing as the role of a tank. Tanks are generally the ones who engage and soak up all the damage and mostly protect their adc or dive the backline where the enemy AP mid is or the adc is standing.
That's one thing I would recommend you to try if you want to even out the odds when you play against level 30's. You just gotta keep practicing and not care so much about them, that's the only true way you can achieve improvement, by focusing on yourself and not on how unfair the matchmaking is.
I've been there where you are, about 3 years ago I was introduced by a friend to the game on my first ever account, and because we were playing not so seriously back then, we switched servers a lot so I made different accounts on other servers because I sometimes forgot the password of the first one or even the name (LOL). So technically, I was also smurfing, but I wasn't even level 30 yet on those accounts, just about 10-20 in level, did I complain a lot? Of course, I was beaten up horribly because I played ap warwick and got stomped on because I didn't farm enough or because I went on tilt. I kept playing though, mostly because I was naturally a social wreck who didn't have any real friends at the time, I got bullied a lot and really had a really bad addiction to the game, kind of like when someone is on drugs.
But it wasn't just to wash away my problems, I actually started loving the game for how fun it was and how complex it actually is on the inside, sure it wasn't Broodwar in terms of difficulty, but it sure was (and still is) really fun.
One thing you will learn is, even if you blame or hate people for doing what they do, like smurfs or more experienced players playing against you or others who aren't as experienced at the game as them, you will still not really get a satisfaction from that way of thought.
Just keep playing, but don't let your gameplay turn into an addiction, or a love hate relationship where you wanna suffer (like I once did, which again is pretty LOL. Sorry for my dark humor). Just enjoy your time there and be happy about what you do, you will learn more as you go.
Sirnikolai wrote:
It doesn't matter what you go into Pvp Classic ARAM and such. Mostly every lv 20 has lv 3 Runes already. Which the matchmaking comes into play with these players. Heck i remember getting my but kicked against lv 30's and yea they had Lv 3 runes. I tried to avoid classic all together because it so unpredictable.
You thoughts community?
You thoughts community?
Your recent post (this one).
Sirnikolai wrote:
Lv 30 summoners with lv 3 runes KICK my *** in any Mode.(they like have 5 or more Rune pages full of lv 3 runes like wtf.
I don't have lv3 runes and takes FOREVER just to save up.
Co-op vs AI always LV 30's WHYare they here I'm not getting in practice or any kills it's HIGHLY ANNOYING & it's taking longer to save up for lv3runes.
Can't Lv 30's become restricted to Co-op vs AI, because it' just unfair. I know league can't stop smurf accounts, but why would people even start over for the sake of playing in co=op vs AI which obviously if you see a lv5 in co-op vs AI going 29- 0 yea what the hell no fair.
Like if you need to pratice on different champions & such Make a custom game with your friends or by yourself vs AI that's where you should go professional summoner's
I don't have lv3 runes and takes FOREVER just to save up.
Co-op vs AI always LV 30's WHYare they here I'm not getting in practice or any kills it's HIGHLY ANNOYING & it's taking longer to save up for lv3runes.
Can't Lv 30's become restricted to Co-op vs AI, because it' just unfair. I know league can't stop smurf accounts, but why would people even start over for the sake of playing in co=op vs AI which obviously if you see a lv5 in co-op vs AI going 29- 0 yea what the hell no fair.
Like if you need to pratice on different champions & such Make a custom game with your friends or by yourself vs AI that's where you should go professional summoner's
You are obviously repeating something from your last post and your problem isn't a very big deal to be honest. You are just having a hard time because you need to learn more about the game and improve on your own way through tons of practice, which I admit is hard at first.
I don't think you should blame "smurfs" because like you said in your current post, "why would people even start over for the sake of playing in co-op vs AI".
Co-op vs AI isn't that difficult to play against, trust me, 29-0 is easy considering that the AI isn't very smart compared to you and other players, it's kind of archaic at this point in my opinion, I haven't really seen any improvements or a more variety of difficulties on it so it's hard to say for sure if it's actually hard to do it. Anyway, I don't want to treat your post as an elitist jerk who says "OH ITS SO EZ, YOU JUST AINT GOT MAH SKILLZ". The reason you are getting "kicked in your ***" is because there are some underlying dynamics in the game and many other things that come into play when you fight an opponent, this applies to both AI games and normal games alike, because even if the coding of the AI is as mentioned above pretty archaic, it still shows some of the very basics of the game.
What you really should be focusing on right now is mastering playing as the role of a tank. Tanks are generally the ones who engage and soak up all the damage and mostly protect their adc or dive the backline where the enemy AP mid is or the adc is standing.
That's one thing I would recommend you to try if you want to even out the odds when you play against level 30's. You just gotta keep practicing and not care so much about them, that's the only true way you can achieve improvement, by focusing on yourself and not on how unfair the matchmaking is.
I've been there where you are, about 3 years ago I was introduced by a friend to the game on my first ever account, and because we were playing not so seriously back then, we switched servers a lot so I made different accounts on other servers because I sometimes forgot the password of the first one or even the name (LOL). So technically, I was also smurfing, but I wasn't even level 30 yet on those accounts, just about 10-20 in level, did I complain a lot? Of course, I was beaten up horribly because I played ap warwick and got stomped on because I didn't farm enough or because I went on tilt. I kept playing though, mostly because I was naturally a social wreck who didn't have any real friends at the time, I got bullied a lot and really had a really bad addiction to the game, kind of like when someone is on drugs.
But it wasn't just to wash away my problems, I actually started loving the game for how fun it was and how complex it actually is on the inside, sure it wasn't Broodwar in terms of difficulty, but it sure was (and still is) really fun.
One thing you will learn is, even if you blame or hate people for doing what they do, like smurfs or more experienced players playing against you or others who aren't as experienced at the game as them, you will still not really get a satisfaction from that way of thought.
Just keep playing, but don't let your gameplay turn into an addiction, or a love hate relationship where you wanna suffer (like I once did, which again is pretty LOL. Sorry for my dark humor). Just enjoy your time there and be happy about what you do, you will learn more as you go.
When I started playing this game (Sept. 2010) we didn't have no stinking co-op vs AI.
I also was playing with four level 30s, so the games were heavily stacked against me. I dealt with it.
I also was playing with four level 30s, so the games were heavily stacked against me. I dealt with it.
Be cool man, believe or not everyone was once in the same situation you are. But then as you progress in the game you realize that there is no way that a rune page can kick your ***, you are just being outplayed and you shouldnt rage about it.
Runes just give a little edge when the players are equally skilled, because runes give a small boost in the early game not so relevant mid and late game.
My advice to you is if you check that your opponent starts the game with +20 AP over you or something like that, just play safe and try to outfarm him, dont engage or risk yourself to be engaged.
Learn to last hit under turret, it goes like this
Melee minions: Turret hit - Turret hit - You
Ranged minions: You - Turret hit - You
Runes just give a little edge when the players are equally skilled, because runes give a small boost in the early game not so relevant mid and late game.
My advice to you is if you check that your opponent starts the game with +20 AP over you or something like that, just play safe and try to outfarm him, dont engage or risk yourself to be engaged.
Learn to last hit under turret, it goes like this
Melee minions: Turret hit - Turret hit - You
Ranged minions: You - Turret hit - You
It's only a problem if you really care. So really, we can't help you. You just gotta get better at the game. Nothing's going to stop me from smurfing to lower levels and beating the **** out of you just because you believe it's 'unfair'.
Stop buying champs and save up on runes. Then you'll be the big bully with tier 3 runes beating up pre-level 30s.
tl;dr, idgaf
Stop buying champs and save up on runes. Then you'll be the big bully with tier 3 runes beating up pre-level 30s.
tl;dr, idgaf
sirell wrote:
It's only a problem if you really care.
Not really a nice comment but besides that I disagree. I started playing Nosgoth recently and while I really don't care about the game at all, getting matchmade with level 40's as level 10 player is super annoying. You can laugh it off for a few games but constantly losing and falling behind every game IS really annoying.
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Vynertje wrote:
Not really a nice comment but besides that I disagree. I started playing Nosgoth recently and while I really don't care about the game at all, getting matchmade with level 40's as level 10 player is super annoying. You can laugh it off for a few games but constantly losing and falling behind every game IS really annoying.
Uhm, Nosgoth is in so many ways different from league that I'm afraid your point is a bit negligible in some ways, because the two games are so different that a loss there isn't very important to us who don't play third person games like Nosgoth, hence why you said (I really don't care about the game at all). But you do in fact answer the OP very proffesionally, the analogy of "newer player vs experienced player" is very common in all games who have a multiplayer option.
Yet I disagree with your disagreement, sirell is really right about what he says, it's a very arrogant way of thinking to say "if you care, it's a problem", but it's true for league at many aspects.
You lose against a level 30? It's only a problem if you care
Your team dies 8 times over and over? It's only a problem if you care
You lose a game? Who cares, let's start a new one.
I think that's what Sirell is getting at and I do believe it's the very essence of playing league and getting over the "getting on tilt" situation when you come to face loses.
It is different but in this instance it doesn't matter a thing. If anything, it's only WORSE in league due to the snowballing effect - if you **** up once you're stuck with a bad game for at least 20 minutes. The thing about saying "it's only a problem if you care" is that it doesn't help at all. It is - knowing human nature - absolutely impossible to deny that winning is more fun than losing.
Besides, if you hit the point where you're not caring about winning or losing (or doing well for that sake) you're also inherently losing a certain amount of excitement in this game; one of the things people tend to enjoy most is the feeling of accomplishment from making a big play and especially the latter is impossible if you're super far behind due to runes. So essentially you can stop caring, but it also means you WILL lose interest in the game long-term.
Besides, if you hit the point where you're not caring about winning or losing (or doing well for that sake) you're also inherently losing a certain amount of excitement in this game; one of the things people tend to enjoy most is the feeling of accomplishment from making a big play and especially the latter is impossible if you're super far behind due to runes. So essentially you can stop caring, but it also means you WILL lose interest in the game long-term.
Vynertje wrote:
Not really a nice comment but besides that I disagree. I started playing Nosgoth recently and while I really don't care about the game at all, getting matchmade with level 40's as level 10 player is super annoying. You can laugh it off for a few games but constantly losing and falling behind every game IS really annoying.
Well, I got my *** handed to me the whole of Season 2 when I began and I still enjoyed playing the game. I was playing Titanfall for the first time and the matchmaking was (and still is, in some regards) pretty indiscriminate for teams and I lost a lot at the beginning (and even after regens). Didn't stop me from playing for two regenerations though.
Like I said, you just got to get better at the game. Save up for your own runes and it's a completely even playing field. All you can play after that is your own lack of skill. It might be different in, say, Hearthstone where you need to grind dust and gold for your decks and other people have an advantage having played longer in that regard, but in LoL one can even say runes don't really matter all that much as the game progresses.
Heck, I went on a 20 ranked game losing streak in Gold I-IV and I didn't do two rant threads about it. Dude's just making a mountain out of a molehill.
If you find it frustrating to lose, you only have the option to keep grinding and get better or stop playing the game (even if temporarily).
But to ask the question again, what does OP want us to do about it? It's not as if any of the measures he's asking for are realistic or even sensible. The thread is pointless; no discussion to be had.
Edit: In fact, there's already a thread for this kind of thing called the QQ thread.
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Vynertje wrote:
It is different but in this instance it doesn't matter a thing. If anything, it's only WORSE in league due to the snowballing effect - if you **** up once you're stuck with a bad game for at least 20 minutes. The thing about saying "it's only a problem if you care" is that it doesn't help at all. It is - knowing human nature - absolutely impossible to deny that winning is more fun than losing.
Besides, if you hit the point where you're not caring about winning or losing (or doing well for that sake) you're also inherently losing a certain amount of excitement in this game; one of the things people tend to enjoy most is the feeling of accomplishment from making a big play and especially the latter is impossible if you're super far behind due to runes. So essentially you can stop caring, but it also means you WILL lose interest in the game long-term.
Besides, if you hit the point where you're not caring about winning or losing (or doing well for that sake) you're also inherently losing a certain amount of excitement in this game; one of the things people tend to enjoy most is the feeling of accomplishment from making a big play and especially the latter is impossible if you're super far behind due to runes. So essentially you can stop caring, but it also means you WILL lose interest in the game long-term.
It does matter because:
1. Nosgoth is a third person game and not a moba in any sense or regard, so the dynamics, mechanics and gameplay is therefore different than that of LoL and so getting mad about it would be a whole different type of "tilt" than the one you have in LoL.
2. Vampire is dank op, they get an advantage bigger than the eiffel tower because they can jump everywhere and anywhere and surprise buttsex you. So the dynamics of the game is slightly in favor of the vampire race and the humans are at a disadvantage by default, and it's a whole lot different types of skills that you have perfect to play the human race or the vampire race than in LoL, completely different. Even if you can aim with things, it's not from the same overview perspective that LoL has. I COULD agree to Nosgoth have a bit of similarities to Smite, but not to League.
Hitting the point where you are not caring about winning or losing is not going to make your excitement for the game go away, that's not how it was for me before and neither how it is now. Getting the feeling of accomplishment? True accomplishment? Then we aren't talking about winning here, we are talking about succeeding with an aspect in your gameplay that was before bad but now has improved, take all the skills in league that are affected by how skilled you are and how much game knowledge you have, succeeding on improving that is true accomplishment. A win is nothing more than some IP, a more attractive match history and maybe a promotion if we would include ranked aswell.
Like sirell said
sirell wrote:
Like I said, you just got to get better at the game. Save up for your own runes and it's a completely even playing field. All you can play after that is your own lack of skill.
Couldn't agree more.
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I don't have lv3 runes and takes FOREVER just to save up.
Co-op vs AI always LV 30's WHYare they here I'm not getting in practice or any kills it's HIGHLY ANNOYING & it's taking longer to save up for lv3runes.
Can't Lv 30's become restricted to Co-op vs AI, because it' just unfair. I know league can't stop smurf accounts, but why would people even start over for the sake of playing in co=op vs AI which obviously if you see a lv5 in co-op vs AI going 29- 0 yea what the hell no fair.
Like if you need to pratice on different champions & such Make a custom game with your friends or by yourself vs AI that's where you should go professional summoner's