Bloodrazor deals target's maximum HP, as opposed to BORK's current HP damage. I'm guessing it's either that or the fact that it's faster to get Bloodrazor for a quicker powerspike.
Also lifesteal only benefits from armor/mr, not plain health. Actually, I think building lifesteal on a high HP build is counterproductive, since the idea of having lots of health is to avoid needing to constantly sustain during a fight.
Also lifesteal only benefits from armor/mr, not plain health. Actually, I think building lifesteal on a high HP build is counterproductive, since the idea of having lots of health is to avoid needing to constantly sustain during a fight.
Main reason is that Bloodrazor is rushable (and much cheaper) while BotRK is not, and Shyvana wants her first item to be an AS item and her next items to be tank items. So Bloodrazor just makes more sense to build, since if you're going Cinderhulk then it really weakens her clear times and overall influence over the early-game.
Vapora Dark wrote:
Main reason is that Bloodrazor is rushable (and much cheaper) while BotRK is not, and Shyvana wants her first item to be an AS item and her next items to be tank items. So Bloodrazor just makes more sense to build, since if you're going Cinderhulk then it really weakens her clear times and overall influence over the early-game.
So just to be clear, I build BOTK and dont finish my jungle item (other than upgrade to red or blue). I usually build the cinderhulk jungle item after BOTK and Titanic. The clear times are still insane, I usually finish every game with the highest CS even though I'm objective oriented and dont afk farm.
Lastly, how do you forsee Shyv's early game impact? Without ult its hard to gank unless the enemy is overextended and/or doesn't ward. (meaning I feel like I have a far greater early game impact as Vi/Xin/Udyr)
I used to care about KDA, now I care about CS and Objectives.
Ixtellor wrote:
So just to be clear, I build BOTK and dont finish my jungle item (other than upgrade to red or blue).
Shyvanna main here:
Jungling is more about efficiency than the other roles, you have to move, clear, and secure as cleanly as you can. Shyvanna can do this with ease in the PvE nature of the jungle. she simply lacks a decent means to gank pre-6 without CC from the allies.
Blade of the Ruined King grants 40% Attack Speed as well as the 10% Life Steal and 25 AD. deals 8% current HP as bonus damage on hit costs a total of 3400G
Skirmisher's Sabre - Bloodrazor Grants 50% AS, 10% Lifesteal against Jungle Mobs as well as 25 bonus damage on-hit and Health Regen for your DPS (that includes spell damage from Burnout and Flame Breath) and deals 4% Max HP as bonus damage and costs 2625.
Hands down it's Bloodrazor. You get more AS and more sustain out of the jungle, which is where the bulk of your gold is going to come from. The blanket AD and LS doesn't help. 10% of a bit is not much (maybe 20 HP on hit max) especially next to 3000 HP. the 40% AS boost is dwarfed by Bloodrazor's 50% and the blue smite is only marginally worse than a BotRK active.
It's all about effeciency, and Bloddrazor has BotRK beat.
Lastly Early game impact is there if you know what to do, most times it's not in lanes but instead, seen the jungle. Shyvana's excellent early clears means she can have the run of both sides of the Jungle if you are smart enough to work it. Red smite let's this happen even more by both increasing your damage and reducing incoming damage from the target. And in lower Elos most laners are not to keen to watch the map.
Jungling is more about efficiency than the other roles, you have to move, clear, and secure as cleanly as you can. Shyvanna can do this with ease in the PvE nature of the jungle. she simply lacks a decent means to gank pre-6 without CC from the allies.
Blade of the Ruined King grants 40% Attack Speed as well as the 10% Life Steal and 25 AD. deals 8% current HP as bonus damage on hit costs a total of 3400G Skirmisher's Sabre - Bloodrazor Grants 50% AS, 10% Lifesteal against Jungle Mobs as well as 25 bonus damage on-hit and Health Regen for your DPS (that includes spell damage from Burnout and Flame Breath) and deals 4% Max HP as bonus damage and costs 2625.Hands down it's Bloodrazor. You get more AS and more sustain out of the jungle, which is where the bulk of your gold is going to come from. The blanket AD and LS doesn't help. 10% of a bit is not much (maybe 20 HP on hit max) especially next to 3000 HP. the 40% AS boost is dwarfed by Bloodrazor's 50% and the blue smite is only marginally worse than a BotRK active.
It's all about effeciency, and Bloddrazor has BotRK beat.
Lastly Early game impact is there if you know what to do, most times it's not in lanes but instead, seen the jungle. Shyvana's excellent early clears means she can have the run of both sides of the Jungle if you are smart enough to work it. Red smite let's this happen even more by both increasing your damage and reducing incoming damage from the target. And in lower Elos most laners are not to keen to watch the map.
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I have been playing Shyvanna jungle going botk first item, then getting full tank with a cinderhulk Jungle and titanic hydra.
My thinking was that BOTK does the job of bloodrazor just as well or better because of the lifesteal and the cinderhulk benefits massively from the HP tank items.
But I see higher ranked Shyvanna's going bloodrazor and full tank.
What is wrong with my thinking?