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On your build. IMO the only reason to start with boots is for the health pots and move speed to dodge someone. If you want mana go build dorans ring cause its much more effective. I personally would go TP flash if im running solo top to shut down someone like garen, or ignite flash if im solo mid. IMO its not really an aggressive build. Seems pretty standard to me other than you dont get will of ancients and you pick up Rylais which is not needed at all. Rylais is only needed for champs with no built in CC. Getting Rylais is useless on morg due to the fact she can pin someone down with her q already. You only benifit from 15% slow from w and r. I guess it would help for her ult, but i wouldnt see the point of getting it over will of ancients or void staff even. Im no pro morg player, but this is what i think about her.
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She doesn't need health pots if she gets the extra mana though. She's got the spell vamp, and she can mass cast on creeps(which is what makes it aggressive. The fast pushing). And dorans ring I feel isn't needed /= I mean, the Rod of Ages gives me enough mana and regen to keep me going until my mana naturally builds. And the Rylasis Scepter is better than Will or Void for how I play. It gives more AP than the Will or Void, and I can throw down a W farther than my ult and it's easier to hit than my Q, so it can help me run people down and get a clearer shot for my Q / in range of my R. I mean, it's not much, but I don't really care about spell pen. on the Void since I have 30, which is around what most champs have naturally, and if they go more, they're weak to my teams ADs because they couldn't go armor(they could go both, but tanks can't kill me, they're just annoying). And no matter how much MR they're still able to be stunned, and if I stun them by a lvl 18 AD and they have mo Armor, tadaaa And the Will, again, less AP, and the 30 ap is ****. The spell vamp, well, that's okay. But I have my own, and I like the hp from the scepter more xD
Though... Since Will can stack, if you're at a stand off of some sorts, it wouldnt be a bad idea for you and a teammate to each grab one. 50% spell vamp stacked w/ mine, PLUS all the AP damage would be pretty OP.
Though... Since Will can stack, if you're at a stand off of some sorts, it wouldnt be a bad idea for you and a teammate to each grab one. 50% spell vamp stacked w/ mine, PLUS all the AP damage would be pretty OP.
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The purpose of boots is to outsustain your enemy. I guarantee if match a morg of the same skill level against another, the one who goes boots 3 hp will win against boots 3 mp. Also, the dorans would win against boots 3 mp most likely due to boots 3 mp being like dorans - 100 hp - 15 ap and not permanent mp regen.
If you think dorans ring is not needed then why not go some other viable path such as health pots? The hp clearly work compared to mana pots. Mana pots essentially give morgana another skill, just 1. Morgana's mana ratios are insane. 1 soil does not equal a health pot. If you play her duo, your not even supposed to be soiling anyway.
like i said, mana regen is dorans. In fact, half the time when i play morg, i skip rod and stack a few dorans instead. Its much easier for mana regen. Rylais does not give you more damage than Void due to magic pen. There is a reason AD carries get LW fairly earlier and not as their final item. Pen makes your damage go up a lot. Rylais gives the same AP as will and will gives an aura so idk where your getting your info from. If you cant hit skill shots you shouldnt really be playing Morgana to start with IMO. Shes 100% reliant on q. Also, did i mention rylais only gives a 15% slow? That is ALMOST NOTHING if you think about it. Most champs only have 30 cause your playing with people who only know 1 build at this point probably.
Technically what you are saying is you want to be carried by someone instead of doing the work. This is probably why you chose duo morgana. From what you said id say you should go play someone like sona or janna if you wanna get carried.
Morgana offers no potential in lane as support in the meta. Her shield does not fend off AD damage while her pool actually pushes the lane. Her q is a nice root but there are other supports which do that better such as taric.
At lower levels, i used to think all dorans were **** due to missing out on potions, later i relieze you get much more benifits by buying the dorans. 1 HP = 200 hp. 1 mana pot = 100 mp. Say you were to buy a meki pendant and one of each to spend all your money. You would have essentially, 200 regainable hp, 100 regainable mp, and 7 mana regen. Dorans ring gives 100 blocked hp, 15 ap, and 5 mana regen. 5 mana regen vs 7 is almost nothing, you probably wont even notice the difference. 200 regainable hp is gone once you use it once, you will always have the 100 blocked hp until you sell the ring. 15 AP is a pretty large bonus in damage. Heres an example. A tristana with dorans blade will hit 55 damage at level 1 vs no dorans blade at 45 damage at level 1. That is a HUGE difference if you think about it. The extra damage will set you apart from your opponents.
You may not agree with the above, but at least dont go boots 3 mp and expect to go duo morgana. That is just silly IMO. Less sustain, less mana regen, only benifit is move speed. The rylai sept is pretty much ignorable, just later you will reliese your just buying 500 hp and 80 AP. With hourglass you don't exactly need that HP. With will of ancients you will heal off the damage MUCH faster. With Void staff you will be able to break through that pesky magic resist. Just try it once, get rid of the rylais and at least swap the mp pots to hp pots. mp pots give no purpose due to only equaling 1 skill per 20 seconds (takes 20 seconds to use)
If you think dorans ring is not needed then why not go some other viable path such as health pots? The hp clearly work compared to mana pots. Mana pots essentially give morgana another skill, just 1. Morgana's mana ratios are insane. 1 soil does not equal a health pot. If you play her duo, your not even supposed to be soiling anyway.
like i said, mana regen is dorans. In fact, half the time when i play morg, i skip rod and stack a few dorans instead. Its much easier for mana regen. Rylais does not give you more damage than Void due to magic pen. There is a reason AD carries get LW fairly earlier and not as their final item. Pen makes your damage go up a lot. Rylais gives the same AP as will and will gives an aura so idk where your getting your info from. If you cant hit skill shots you shouldnt really be playing Morgana to start with IMO. Shes 100% reliant on q. Also, did i mention rylais only gives a 15% slow? That is ALMOST NOTHING if you think about it. Most champs only have 30 cause your playing with people who only know 1 build at this point probably.
Technically what you are saying is you want to be carried by someone instead of doing the work. This is probably why you chose duo morgana. From what you said id say you should go play someone like sona or janna if you wanna get carried.
Morgana offers no potential in lane as support in the meta. Her shield does not fend off AD damage while her pool actually pushes the lane. Her q is a nice root but there are other supports which do that better such as taric.
At lower levels, i used to think all dorans were **** due to missing out on potions, later i relieze you get much more benifits by buying the dorans. 1 HP = 200 hp. 1 mana pot = 100 mp. Say you were to buy a meki pendant and one of each to spend all your money. You would have essentially, 200 regainable hp, 100 regainable mp, and 7 mana regen. Dorans ring gives 100 blocked hp, 15 ap, and 5 mana regen. 5 mana regen vs 7 is almost nothing, you probably wont even notice the difference. 200 regainable hp is gone once you use it once, you will always have the 100 blocked hp until you sell the ring. 15 AP is a pretty large bonus in damage. Heres an example. A tristana with dorans blade will hit 55 damage at level 1 vs no dorans blade at 45 damage at level 1. That is a HUGE difference if you think about it. The extra damage will set you apart from your opponents.
You may not agree with the above, but at least dont go boots 3 mp and expect to go duo morgana. That is just silly IMO. Less sustain, less mana regen, only benifit is move speed. The rylai sept is pretty much ignorable, just later you will reliese your just buying 500 hp and 80 AP. With hourglass you don't exactly need that HP. With will of ancients you will heal off the damage MUCH faster. With Void staff you will be able to break through that pesky magic resist. Just try it once, get rid of the rylais and at least swap the mp pots to hp pots. mp pots give no purpose due to only equaling 1 skill per 20 seconds (takes 20 seconds to use)
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Well, I can understand the Rylai part, but if you really want that magic pen from Void+Boots, you're better off going abyssal scepter earlier, no? It gives you the same magic pen(it evens out anyway. 40% of what you had, w/ Sorcerer's Boots will get you to the same place as -20 magic resist to them), the same ap, some magic res, plus your allies get some of the benefit.
Oh! And that build was meant for a solo Morg, if it wasn't I would have got some more Aura type items. Someone told be I should just solo a few pages back, because that's where her potential is or something.
Oh! And that build was meant for a solo Morg, if it wasn't I would have got some more Aura type items. Someone told be I should just solo a few pages back, because that's where her potential is or something.
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What's the point of getting Will if I'm the only one there? If I want spell vamp that bad, I can get the same amount of it cheaper. I shouldn't have to pay for that Aura **** when nobody's using it =/ I mean, the Crystal Scepter gives me 500hp and more AP than the Will. I have my own spell vamp the AP will help :p
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its the SAME amount of AP, what are you talking about? Auras effect yourself too. 50+30 = 80. 80 = 80. I dont think 80> 80? You practically double the amount of spell vamp you get. What can you buy for cheaper that gives the same spell vamp and AP? 500 hp shouldnt make a difference if you spell vamp 2x the amount previously making yourself have the ability to sustain before team fights much easier.
If you dont understand the point of %magic pen then there is no point in explaining. You will eventually figure it out.
Im gonna stop posting. If you disagree and still think that crystal scepter is worth it without the slow then i probably shouldnt bother explaining this to you. Not to mention that scepter costs 1k more and if you want flat AP there are better options such as Will of ancients (stated), even lichbane due to passive, or Evil tome which i would never recommend since it doesnt do any ground breaking changes but gives 20% CDR which is better than some useless passive. Void staff only gives 10 AP less than rylais but gives a ton more damage.
According to your logic i would stack RoA's due to them being more effective than crystal scepter.
If you dont understand the point of %magic pen then there is no point in explaining. You will eventually figure it out.
Im gonna stop posting. If you disagree and still think that crystal scepter is worth it without the slow then i probably shouldnt bother explaining this to you. Not to mention that scepter costs 1k more and if you want flat AP there are better options such as Will of ancients (stated), even lichbane due to passive, or Evil tome which i would never recommend since it doesnt do any ground breaking changes but gives 20% CDR which is better than some useless passive. Void staff only gives 10 AP less than rylais but gives a ton more damage.
According to your logic i would stack RoA's due to them being more effective than crystal scepter.
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I just want advice from a good Morg player, I don't really care what my build page is like, I don't want a review, I just made it so I could show the OP Morg players how I did things. I posted it here and in the build thread and you both said it isn't the place so idfk.
Generally, you want to build morgana either as a tanky CC bot, or as a crazy nuke mage.
My usual morgana build.
My AP morgana build.
Those have the new trees as well.
Will is an amazing item, Rylai's is kind of meh, but i didn't want to RoA stack.
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On SR, you can correctly shut champions down, and there isn't really "OP", per se (and honestly, I only think a few champions are borderline OP, and they are easy to counter, there's no truly gamebreakingly OP ban or lose champions like on TT), it's just powerful or better than others.
Saying Heimerdinger isn't viable in ranked is either trolling, or you clearly not knowing what you're on about and building pure AP Heimerdinger.
On TT, it's the exact same lulz. Name me a champion who can't be countered on TT and is gamebreaking.
Go ahead. Name me one.
Heimerdinger was an example, I don't play Heimerdinger at all and idgaf about whether's he's viable.
Anyways, go ahead and name me a champion that can't be countered on TT.