Ashe - the most underrated and abused champion...

[quote=DuffTime][quote=Temzilla] [quote=Arcanitum] I would completely disagree with Temzilla. First look at the stats of my recent games (click on the bronze text). The burst is incredible. Lightning fast crits take down ANY champion in seconds. Plus the ulti is really awesome. It can easily kill any fleeing or serve as a great opening to a team fight or 1v1. [/quote] Ashe is the weakest of any of the Ranged AD carries. Tristana, Corki, Caitlyn, Vayne, TF, Kog'Maw, Urgot, Ezreal, Miss Fourtune, and Graves ALL synergize with an AD carry build better than Ashe does. [/quote] I whole heartedly agree, except I think Urgot is the one champ who may not use a standard AD build as well. Ezreal does well because of his passive, but I think Urgot should go tankier personally. :P Also I actually think TF is a worse AD carry than even Ashe. He does more damage but his range is just inexcusable horse shit :P So - TF and Urgot I agree 100% with this. ^_^[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=DuffTime] [quote=Temzilla] [quote=Arcanitum] I would completely disagree with Temzilla. First look at the stats of my recent games (click on the bronze text). The burst is incredible. Lightning fast crits take down ANY champion in seconds. Plus the ulti is really awesome. It can easily kill any fleeing or serve as a great opening to a team fight or 1v1. [/quote] Ashe is the weakest of any of the Ranged AD carries. Tristana, Corki, Caitlyn, Vayne, TF, Kog'Maw, Urgot, Ezreal, Miss Fourtune, and Graves ALL synergize with an AD carry build better than Ashe does. [/quote] I whole heartedly agree, except I think Urgot is the one champ who may not use a standard AD build as well. Ezreal does well because of his passive, but I think Urgot should go tankier personally. :P Also I actually think TF is a worse AD carry than even Ashe. He does more damage but his range is just inexcusable horse shit :P So - TF and Urgot I agree 100% with this. ^_^ [/quote] I was mainly saying that because ashe's kit doesn't synergize at all with a standard BT+LW+IE+BV+Berserker's Greaves+PD build. Where as even urgot and TF have some synergy with it. Ashe just has a really weak kit compared to either of them. I agree though, TF, and Urgot have better builds. Also, I play Ezreal as a Trinity tank.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]lols rly xD Ye but she has zero synergy with it, just a quick AS.[/quote]

[quote=JEFFY40HANDS]i used to consider ashe as an amazing carry. But her outdated mechanics keep holding her back.[/quote]

[quote=JMastiff]Is there some math behind her passive E viabilty? I mean in theory she would be kind of worse than ie. Vayne (mobility, poke) in lane or teamfights but shouldn't it work like she could overcome this by getting more money from farm resulting in getting stronger earlier?[/quote]

[quote=th3BlackAngel]I have to agree. I used to be a diehard Ashe player. But then RIOT decided to nerf her down (to the level of other AD carries) and just made her shit.[/quote]

[quote=Rudmed][quote=JEFFY40HANDS] i used to consider ashe as an amazing carry. But her outdated mechanics keep holding her back. [/quote] Its okay guys. I'm sure Riot will address these problem champions eventually (AKA 2 years from now).[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=DuffTime] lols rly xD Ye but she has zero synergy with it, just a quick AS. [/quote] Trinity + Last Whisper is pretty good on him, rest tank items. He has a good anti-carry kit in my opinion. He's meh vs true off tanks and such, but he destroys people like Caitlyn and Vayne, or anyone that relys on auto attacks. W+Frozen Heart shuts down AD Carries really hard, and his W and E have really good base damage. I build something like [url=http://leaguecraft.com/builder/Ezreal/?items=76,28,70,36,33,61&runes=38,38,38,38,38,38,38,38,38,63,63,63,63,63,63,63,63,63,112,112,112,112,112,112,112,112,112,102,102,102&masteries=1300400010000000013304001000332010000000000000000&level=18]this[/url] usually. It's not entirely effective to be honest, and it's been awhile since i've played him, but it works pretty well.[/quote]

[quote=Freddy Shopan]I think you guys are looking at it from the wrong way... No one ever played Ashe because she had the best damage of an ad carry, because she never did. But she brings so much utility to a team... Free cv, a buttload of slow, and a global arrow (which is still one of the best initiators in the game)? I'd say that's pretty good.[/quote]

[quote=Nighthawk][quote=Freddy Shopan] I think you guys are looking at it from the wrong way... No one ever played Ashe because she had the best damage of an ad carry, because she never did. But she brings so much utility to a team... Free cv, a buttload of slow, and a global arrow (which is still one of the best initiators in the game)? I'd say that's pretty good. [/quote] Current metagame is pure damage > utility and that's why she isn't played. LoL also used to have this thing called a tank and had dual AP, not an offtank. Ashe let you not have an offtank because your dual AP would just burst shit down while they are stunned and your tank well...tanked and improved chances of bursting them down. Also, no Sivir? I am disappoint, Sivir is SUPER good atm.[/quote]