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Thresh guide. I went to investigate and I want to tear off my eyes now. I went to take a further look at support guides overall and gjeez...
Most of those 1# or 2# guides are voted up so much, that it can't even be brought down and are really hard to be passed by other authors. The quality is so bad and I wonder how on earth they ever could get that many upvotes.
I'll demonstrate;
1# Sona guide:
http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/support-sona-only-you-can-hear-me-summoner-75003
* Runes ?
* Starting items ? Core item = Rush philo ?
* Basically suggesting every support item there is and other bad items
1# Leona guide:
http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/leona-solar-flare-234730
* Runes ?
* Missing information on items (Not so bad, but not super good either)
* Sightstone mentioned not to be taken at all and is taken as 4th
1# Thresh guide:
http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/chaining-kills-aggressive-support-tank-in-depth-2-5-296633
* Just the items section is wtf
1# Soraka guide:
http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/your-friendly-neighbourhood-support-87171#chapter10
* Same as Sona guide pretty much... For 1# guide it should be much better.
1# Nami guide:
http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/nami-under-the-sea-271343
* First build a little off, but the second one suggested is really meh.
"Aggressive support Nami - Picks Heal" - This is enough I guess lol.
1# Alistar guide:
http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/the-great-barrier-an-alistar-support-guide-223656
* Items, runes, max E ?
Looks like a hater or *****y post, guess it is a little, but the quality of 1# guides of supports is terrifying in my opinion. No offense to the authors trying to help players to understand the champion, but seriously the quality is really poor in some guides and especially for to be 1#. I see no credibility from the users or just something that convinces me, that it is the better way of playing and building than other guides.
Of course there are differences on "what is optimal", but I don't think I'm alone here. Some of the guides mentioned above don't have that bad quality, but still makes me wonder how did it get the 1# spot. I see some really good guides below the "best" guide, but harsh fact is that the first guide gets all the views and then people go wondering why mobafire guide quality is so bad "Look at this thrash Thresh guide, mobafire is full of noobs etc etc.."
There has been improvement on giving credits for scouted, high elo and special guest guides, but people always go for the guide that is regocnized as the best by googling or from the build search, which appears as first guide.
Decreasing vision on unconventional and really bad top guides would be necessary in some cases in my opinion. - I don't mean that unconventional guides should be trashed. I don't mind unconventional guide being in top guides if it is done well and still can work. (GMD) has a topic about this also considering unconventional guides, so I'll leave that matter.
Thresh guide. I went to investigate and I want to tear off my eyes now. I went to take a further look at support guides overall and gjeez...Most of those 1# or 2# guides are voted up so much, that it can't even be brought down and are really hard to be passed by other authors. The quality is so bad and I wonder how on earth they ever could get that many upvotes.
I'll demonstrate;
1#
Sona guide:http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/support-sona-only-you-can-hear-me-summoner-75003
* Runes ?
* Starting items ? Core item = Rush philo ?
* Basically suggesting every support item there is and other bad items
1#
Leona guide:http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/leona-solar-flare-234730
* Runes ?
* Missing information on items (Not so bad, but not super good either)
* Sightstone mentioned not to be taken at all and is taken as 4th
1#
Thresh guide:http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/chaining-kills-aggressive-support-tank-in-depth-2-5-296633
* Just the items section is wtf
1#
Soraka guide:http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/your-friendly-neighbourhood-support-87171#chapter10
* Same as
Sona guide pretty much... For 1# guide it should be much better.1#
Nami guide:http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/nami-under-the-sea-271343
* First build a little off, but the second one suggested is really meh.
"Aggressive support Nami - Picks Heal" - This is enough I guess lol.
1#
Alistar guide:http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/the-great-barrier-an-alistar-support-guide-223656
* Items, runes, max E ?
Looks like a hater or *****y post, guess it is a little, but the quality of 1# guides of supports is terrifying in my opinion. No offense to the authors trying to help players to understand the champion, but seriously the quality is really poor in some guides and especially for to be 1#. I see no credibility from the users or just something that convinces me, that it is the better way of playing and building than other guides.
Of course there are differences on "what is optimal", but I don't think I'm alone here. Some of the guides mentioned above don't have that bad quality, but still makes me wonder how did it get the 1# spot. I see some really good guides below the "best" guide, but harsh fact is that the first guide gets all the views and then people go wondering why mobafire guide quality is so bad "Look at this thrash
Thresh guide, mobafire is full of noobs etc etc.."There has been improvement on giving credits for scouted, high elo and special guest guides, but people always go for the guide that is regocnized as the best by googling or from the build search, which appears as first guide.
Decreasing vision on unconventional and really bad top guides would be necessary in some cases in my opinion. - I don't mean that unconventional guides should be trashed. I don't mind unconventional guide being in top guides if it is done well and still can work. (GMD) has a topic about this also considering unconventional guides, so I'll leave that matter.
Here I did a calculation about why I like to rush Philosopher's Stone and why I don't think it is worse than rushing
i'm surprised that you have been around since 2011 and haven't experienced the uhmm...hmm i would say directness or unrelenting opinions of the usual voting crew.
The main reason is because by that point it would make no difference. The guides would have thousands upon thousands of positive votes. There was no point adding our opinion. The most we did was just downvote and leave it at that.
I mean, as far as top rated guides, I really have to give kudos to Vapora Dark. He was the only one I know to have legitimately shelved his old guide and reposted a new one so the guide would accurately reflect the votes. On the other hand, old guides like the previous pre-rework
The same is true of this
@Halipupu - if you think what you're doing is correct and right and obviously going to be popular, shelve your old guides with their 1K outdated votes and remake a new guide. If people still think it's good, it will rise again.
But I'm guessing you're too narrow-minded and afraid to do this, when it's actually the correct and logical thing to do.
Just to say, I initially used your guide way back when I started Leagues and it got me onto the path to being a support main. However, as I played more and more, I gradually found that your guide wasn't anywhere near as effective as alternative guides for teaching me support. And now I'm so familiar with the support role that I can pretty much tell what's right and what's wrong at a glance (if not, then I usually understand after someone explains to me).
Honestly, you have been ridiculously over-sensitive and have 'read between the lines' to the point of paranoia.
Your arguments are not arguments at all.
I don't think you got their point because you don't want to get their point. If you get their point, then you will archive that guide and make a new one for Season 4 (provided a hard reset isn't made anyway).
This blog just stated the current status of support guides on mobafire.
Not only support guides are affected by this but many others aswell.
As you are now, all you do is srsly just hog to the #1 and don't give a ****.
'It works for me' and 'many other people'
-these many other people are people who just looked at the top rated guide, and upvoted it. It is a snowballing effect, and I guess you know that.
Having a #1 guide must always have a reason, but to stay #1 you have to prove it.
You can't just sit on the #1 without doing anything and thinking that is okay. And right here the Mobafire system is flawed. I can really just hope for any kind of reset to improve the quality of guides here.
Tho, I do not want it to be like solomid etc., where only chosen people can write guides.
The ability to write your own guide is mobafire's strong point, and I hope it stays like that.
Last but not least, although I tried to go towards you, you showed some srsly annoying and *****y attitude. Calling this blog 'trashtalking' and you could 'read between the lines'.
What do you expect? This post is about the quality of top guides, which is lacking. Obviously this is a rant / analysis of what is wrong...
I am not part of the gangrape-crew or whatever there is out there.
But I call upon thee to show no mercy on this one lol.
Go ahead and quote whoever called your guide **** or ******** or anything similar
I can read between the lines in the blog. Terrible quality = **** in my vocabulary.
And for the last time: i get your point about Sightstone and going back early, but it's still my guide and even though your way (full wards) has definitely it benefits along with rushing Sightstone, my way has it benefits for me and many other players as well. I like to go back early and it doesn't cost me anything if the lane is pushing, but if I'd rush Sightstone ofc I'd start with wards and potions so that I can stay on lane still i have enough money for major items. I just have a different playstyle and having diverse players shouldn't be a bad thing.
Now pls, dear Plats, Diamonds, whoever commented on this, please give it quits. I got your point and I hope you got my point. When Season 4 comes, I'll update my guides again after playing long enough to find out my preferred way to play. Then we may talk/argue/fight about this issue again if you wish. -.-
Good night.
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Calling people's guides ******** and **** like in the blog isn't really constructive critisism.
Go ahead and quote whoever called your guide **** or ******** or anything similar
Calling people's guides ******** and **** like in the blog isn't really constructive critisism.
Nobody said it was ******** or ****. Criticizing one thing as non-optimal =/= ****. I'm sure there's a lot of good information in your guide. You're high gold so I'm pretty sure you overall have a good idea of what you're doing.
i'm surprised that you have been around since 2011 and haven't experienced the uhmm...hmm i would say directness or unrelenting opinions of the usual voting crew. the most active members pretty much all conform to the expected meta..better yet the play/build/etc of diamond/pro LoL players. this is not really a bad thing, but does certainly take away a good deal of creativity. i lean on the fence when it comes to this..there is typically a more optimal approach to every champ and that approach should be the one the majority of people see especially for people just starting...so not people like yourself...however i also fear that this will pigeon hole every champ to a particular build/runes/etc.
i myself am not a guide writer but i do review a lot of guides on moba...the guides that succeed the most and are the best are the ones that consider/attempt what the comments in the guide discussion provide...so yes the way you present your guide might work well for you, but that doesn't mean it works well for everyone or is the most optimal. always be open to others opinions and test suggestions. the majority of people who have commented in this blog are trying to look out for the majority of people who use mobafire which are lower elo people just looking for a good way to play a champ. protect the ignorant from being ignorant sort to speak....like the warning on hair dryers that says "do not use while sleeping"
i really don't think this is a personal attack though...it is just a topic that has been brought up before in regards to guides that sit on the top of the throne for a given champ that will likely never give up their seat because of the system that mobafire uses. i could name off a number of other guides that fit this topic...don't feel like you are being singled out or treated differently in some way...there are far worse guides on moba than yours for sure.
~hugz :)
You do know I didn't ask to get the "throne" for Soraka guide? I made a guide that was different and people liked it because of it, got to 75%. Next time when I come back it has 100+ votes and 90+%. Same with my Sona guide, it had 70% for 2 years, then suddenly 88%. I have added stuff people have recommended into my guides if I have found it good, but really this the 1st time someone complains so much about my starter items.
And no, I haven't met "hatemail" previously, because I don't start fights with people. I like different stuff and I'm open to new stuff rather than sticking to metagame strickly.
My god dude you're the exact cliche everyone was just talking about in general discussion. People give you some legitimate criticism, you respond with "it's how I play" and become angry and defensive thinking that people are launching a personal attack when it's not at all that way. Please calm down and stop being melodramatic, no one here has attacked you in any way.
The fact that you accuse people of being narrow-minded while refusing to consider or counter their argument in any way is pretty amusing too.
Calling people's guides ******** and **** like in the blog isn't really constructive critisism. I don't need to (or want to) counter your arguments, because I don't think there is anything wrong with starting out with only wards or potions and rushing Sightstone. It had it's advantages, but it's just something I don't do because I prefer sustain over HP and I get it fast enough after Philo. I never said what you guys recommended is bad, just that stop being so narrowminded about my playstyle. I like to be different and doing this my way. LoL is too metagame obsessed.
Ofc I'm hurt for people attacking me for no reason. I don't need this ******** in one of the few places where I'm actually happy and appreciated so yeah, I'm sad. I never thought moba community is so incredibly mean to people. I didn't even do anything to piss off you guys.
For the other commenter: I'm a girl and I do need a hug, thank you.
i'm surprised that you have been around since 2011 and haven't experienced the uhmm...hmm i would say directness or unrelenting opinions of the usual voting crew. the most active members pretty much all conform to the expected meta..better yet the play/build/etc of diamond/pro LoL players. this is not really a bad thing, but does certainly take away a good deal of creativity. i lean on the fence when it comes to this..there is typically a more optimal approach to every champ and that approach should be the one the majority of people see especially for people just starting...so not people like yourself...however i also fear that this will pigeon hole every champ to a particular build/runes/etc.
i myself am not a guide writer but i do review a lot of guides on moba...the guides that succeed the most and are the best are the ones that consider/attempt what the comments in the guide discussion provide...so yes the way you present your guide might work well for you, but that doesn't mean it works well for everyone or is the most optimal. always be open to others opinions and test suggestions. the majority of people who have commented in this blog are trying to look out for the majority of people who use mobafire which are lower elo people just looking for a good way to play a champ. protect the ignorant from being ignorant sort to speak....like the warning on hair dryers that says "do not use while sleeping"
i really don't think this is a personal attack though...it is just a topic that has been brought up before in regards to guides that sit on the top of the throne for a given champ that will likely never give up their seat because of the system that mobafire uses. i could name off a number of other guides that fit this topic...don't feel like you are being singled out or treated differently in some way...there are far worse guides on moba than yours for sure.
~hugz :)
I don't know.
But I guess the ''^^'' smiley was taken offensively..
You do realize, that I am prolly the only one left, actually being nice and giving you reasonable statements ._.?
@astrolia,
nvm I mistook your signature, it's actually just fox tits, yes.
I didn't mean to be rude either, just saying I'm not neglecting my guides anymore than I already have. I've just been busy with personal stuff IRL and even though I'll be even more busy with work projects until next February, I'll at least update them for Season 4 after playing enough games to know what I'm talking about. It's just not very nice that when I do come to update my guides, all I face is very rude behaviour saying everything I've done is wrong -.- And I know, sub-potential. No need to tell me again. In most of my guides I have mentioned the other starter items and why I don't like them, but nobody apparently reads beyond the cheat sheet. Np, some of them had such walls of text I didn't read them either so that's why there was old info.