Perhaps if you wrote in full English, with proper sentences, not these 10 line sentences, people would be able to understand what you are saying. Half the things in your reply seem to be misunderstandings I've had when trying to read your comments. Please tell me you don't write the same way with your guides. You might have the best guide in the world but if no one can understand it what's the point?

But enough on that.

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No that's not how newbies are meant to be taught. My friend has seen so many newbies go through to level 30 using the same build they got off the net, that when they go ranked they are unable to adapt to the situation and end up feeding because the build they are using can't combat the enemy effectively. They need a guide that tells them this is the core items you get in every game and here is a list of situational items that you buy depending on what situation you have (i.e. 5 Tanks, Fed APC/ADC etc)



Doesn't say that in your guide.



Warmog's Armor is a nice item, but my personal preference is to get it late game. Unless someone is crazy fed I lean towards grabbing additional armour and magic resist which will make a larger difference. Stacking HP is more of a late game thing where damage is high but health pools are low. In addition this item you recommend is quite expensive (2.8k). You are going to be left with very little sustain for a long time till you get the item. Perseverance is good as it increases effectiveness the lower you get. Perseverance for me is a early game sustain, Warmog's a late game.



Going to make this one real simple. The only free wards are trinkets. So there are two ways to clear this up. You either log in and got to where your item sets are and click on the Vision & Trinkets checkbox and select the ward trinket and have a read or you follow this link Warding Totem.



So this wouldn't count as insulting: ur english is so bad (or u r so lazy) that readin' this guide is difficult and exhaustin' as well.

Or this: go back to the kitchen instead of makin' fun of my favourite champion or at least get any serious experience bout both the game and champions u wanna try makin' guides bout as makin' guides is not the best way to become well known

Sounds to me you insulted my skills with my native tongue/work ethic, you also insult my integrity by insinuating that I make guides to be "famous". Deep down yes there is part of me that would like to be recognised. Same with you and every other guide maker. We like being praised for our hard work -DUH!

Also you can't really be serious when you insult my English skills right?



That comes from your spell's chapter.

I count 8 errors just in that sample. Or maybe you were just lazy.

P.S I'm done. I'm not interested in having a flame war in my comments section. Don't say I started this cause I didn't. My original comment was polite. I said I disagreed on some things and why and on things I agreed with. Your down vote and subsequent comment was unfounded and uncalled for. Your second reply whilst with more merit doesn't make up for that earlier spat. Please refrain from commenting on anyone's guide in the future like that and more how you commented the second time round.

To other user please refrain from referring to these comments between myself and this user. Thankyou very much in advance.

If u make a guide u should give an idea how can she be played effectively, not how can she be played in general as A. this way makin' a Nidalee, Lee Sin, Nunu or Kaylee guide u'd have to build 4-5 guides in 1 B. u do not give enough specific pointers bout the very champ u wanna help people play as. Also as i said guides r read by people that wanna check out a new champ or just (or mostly) newbies that wanna learn how to play at all or this or that champion cause they heard it's cool or looks cool for them and that means they need precise guide.

All Sejuani's skills scale with AP, that is true, but still half her damages come from her W (except for against heavy HP tanks, while Q comes into play as well) as this scalein' is pretty nice, even though i still miss ability to deal 1.8k damages with just this one skill, others r more for CC than damages except for very early in the game and HPs make her also survive much longer and give her more time to deal those damages and much easier to use her skills multiple times in a teamfight even though only her W has low cooldown.

Runic Blessing is not the only thing u r missing as this IS a good tool to help her early, but not against poke heavy opponents i wont even try to fool any1 bout it, that's not what i'm here for, while Tenacious is pretty much useless for any tank and for CC heavy tank especially, as A. it's only 15% difference which u won't even notice while most CC work for less than 1.5s and B. even if enemies r CC heavy as well with all those AoE slows and AoE stun she has, she can still make it even and her job is not to kill every1 (even though she can 1v1 nearly every1 without target HPs based damage or insane life steal / spell vamp if played well and target is not insanely overfed) but to control teamfights. The most important things u miss r Resistance as she already gets bonus armors from her passive there should be sth to balance this and she doesn't need armor masteries for mid and late game thx to this, Evasive as in teamfights most enemies will just keep throwin' their AoE damages to try and kill as many people as possible and Recovery which is no longer based on HPs missing and is very important for both top lane and jungler. Also goin' fleet foot is kinda useless for her given the fact her natural movement speed is not even close to be high and she passively slows enemies even without throwin' her spells.

I never said puttin' her out of jungle is gonna take away the issue called bad early game, that's just overinterpretin' or a try to make fun of me. What i say is that jungler MUST HAVE a strong early game as he will lose more HPs than lane champions most of the time, and life steals / spell vamps r important for junglers both early which i stated many times before and for late game, cause junglers job later in the game is to jump on enemies carries and stop them from throwin' free damages on ur carries and as Sejuani doesn't have those they'd just throw free damages at her instead of backin' of when u go out so deep away from ur carries and with ur healthless builds it won't take them much time to kill u anyway and u won't have DPS. the "inbuilt sustain" as u call it is a requirement for junglers even more than for top laners, and not only Health Regen is the part of sustain, as so r armor and magic resist but apart from that, lane Sejuani can instantly build Warmogs Armor to get much more regens than she'd get from perseverance while jungler needs Ninja Tabi to not to let monsters instantly force her base (that's what own ways to quickly regain HPs r for as well for jungler), gold generator (some spirit most of the time) and Spirit Visage to not to die before reachin' opponent while gankin' AP bully lane and highly increase ur ability to regain HPs, before u can start buildin' other things ur champion scales well with.

I never said u should forget bout placein' wards but that ur opponent would have to forget to do this in fervor of the fight cause Sejuani can't safely farm jungle as she'd lose too much HPs or u'd lose too much gold for tons'o'pots and as she can't go stealthy she is very vulnerable to enemies wards, which for free r for 90s/3mins, 180s/3mins or 180s/2mins not 60s and 120s as u try to state. So the situational role for Sejuani is not top, mid or support, but ur so praised and protected jungle role as she needs enemies to be crazy, blind or simply dumb to not to become insanely underfed.

Also i'm sorry if u felt insulted as that was not what i wished to do, my intentions were clearly protectin' newbies from sth that can't help them and Sejuani from beein' abandoned by competitive players and rework again as the last one came in with mostly (not all of those were like it but bout 85%) absurdaly bad changes and nerfs ... even her lore was changed from "i'll survive everythin'" into "i'll destroy everythin'" :( oh and do not poke my followers, i'm not the same guy SourGrapes is .... why would i be sayin' i wouldn't follow my own guide entirely? o.O and look at the date he posted it, he wrote it before i was forced to archieve the guide for over half a year after rework nerfed her so much ... thx God those s4 changes brought so many items boosts and masteries changes (even though ultimate defence mastery is useless) as one can work successfully with Sejuani again.

Here's the difference between my guide and your guide. Your guide on Sejuani locks in how you play her. My guide gives people a wide variety of options on how she can be played, as in this case with an AP spin, as she scales AP on all her abilities and bonus health on Flail of the Northern Winds. You state I missed some masteries, but don't actually tell me what they are. If your talking about Runic Blessing , then your out of your mind. Whilst the extra 50 hit points is nice early game it's nonexistant if your stacking HP. I prefer grabbing Tenacious to be more effective against enemy CC.

As for her early game. Yes it sucks. But you seem to be making the insinuation that putting her into a lane other than Jungle is going to take away that issue. Apart from a situational mid or support she can't do any other lane effectively. ADC she cant cause she's melee not because her abilities don't scale AD. Vel'Koz is used as a ADC on occasion and Ashe is a ADC but only one of her abilities scales AD.

You say she has no natural way to regain HP yet you recommend her to top, where the requirement is to have an inbuilt sustain. But that's also why I took Perseverance in the tank build to have that sustain. In the fighter build I grab items that give me spell vamp so I can easily sustain quite well. So that's your point mute.

You say I should forget about placing wards. I place 1 Vision Ward which can last all game. You recommend the Stealth Ward, which lasts 1 minute and 2 minutes when you reach level 9. A ward that lasts all game is a better long term investment.

The other half of your post is just insults. If it makes you feel better, I didn't actually downvote your guide. It's another Sejuani guide so me voting would be too biased. If I do vote it will be a +1 as I would have found it informative.

But I thank you for your comment, and I will make an increased effort to improve upon my English skills as you have pointed out.

U just threw in some random items and runes just to make it as many as possible instead of stickin' to those that realy make sense and work, missed some core masteries to both cover her cons and make use of her pros and even tried to make offensive page which is realy bad as she both has bad early game and gets half of her damages from boostin' HPs (even after those s3 nerfs to Northern Winds) and what's most important u r again tryin' to force her into the jungle even though she has such bad early game, no natural way to quickly regain HPs and so is all based on how bad opponents do and how often they forget bout placein' wards ... which r for free now ... after all this, ur pointers r so general that every1 that plays LoL for more than 2 weeks already should know it and ur english is so bad (or u r so lazy) that readin' this guide is difficult and exhaustin' as well... go back to the kitchen instead of makin' fun of my favourite champion or at least get any serious experience bout both the game and champions u wanna try makin' guides bout as makin' guides is not the best way to become well known, remember that most of those that read guides r newbies that wanna learn sth and the way u did it u r sure to make some of those abandon Sejuani or even LoL itself

RL has delayed me somewhat (interviews for jobs etc), but I should be able to start working on some graphics, videos and dividers to chunk the guide a bit better. The spoilers I may have gone over the top on and will tone that down a little.

hey you really improved in a short time. this guide looks much better and it has pretty good information. I disagree with wraith tho, I like to play sej AP heavy a lot but she still needs a lot of tankiness IMO and the best way to get that is with golem item and ninja tabi. It helps out a lot. I think I'd be afraid to get the wraith.



nice job on presenting your information. maybe you could add a few custom graphics to make it a top notch guide.

I understand the feeling, which is why I tried to break it up as much as possible. I will have a look at the Coding Guide on how to do headers, pictures and graphic bb-coding and implement that into the guide. I will also see if I can summarise my more larger blocks of text to make it more easier to read.

Thanks again for the comment. Please check again in a few weeks. I should have it completed by then.

Thankyou for the comment.

I checked the wiki and used Wight as it was spelt there so it must be wrong on the wiki. Will try Wright.
The matchups will be a while off, as I don't get the luxury of playing JG every match, usually support. I did originally have Sorcerer's Shoes listed, but must have made a mistake somewhere because it should be there for the AP Fighter. 9/21/0 is indeed viable and will add that as an option for people in the guide. Will also review Greater Quintessence of Health runes.

this guide was pretty daunting to read... so i didn't :(

try headers, pictures and more graphic bbcoding... anything BIG is what i think will make it look better. it very much feels like a wall of text despite your efforts to avoid this problem. good intentions, bad execution.

the effort is totally there, i'm sure you'll have no problem in making it look better ^_^

Guide seems nice to me and it has much information, give you a +1, but I'll mention a few things:
-Turn on C2V to prevent troll votes and it will force people to explain why'd they upvote/downvote your guide.
-Put more icons to make your guide look better.
- wright >>> wight
- Sorcerer's Shoes is also mentionable since this is AP Sejuani
-Maybe add a Match-ups and/or Synergies Chapters? :3
-I think 9/21/0 Mastery is also mentionable.
- Greater Quintessence of Health is also mentionable.

Good Luck on your guide and don't forget to turn on C2V ^^

Thanks for the comment. I will review what you've said and make the necessary changes.

First, thanks for making a unique guide. AP Sejuani isnt exactly normal, and I can't testify of it's greatness, but at least it's something new. Some of the info isn't really that correct and I'm going to point out some inconsistincies. If you're going to be making an AP guide, don't claim that a "PRO" is that her abilities scale off health when you're telling everyone to build AP items and 0 hp items. And if you're telling people to buy an Athene's, don't put mana dependency as a con.
Athenes is a pretty terrible item on Sejuani or junglers in general. If you need mana, that's what blue buff is for. Don't dump 3k+ into an item that's completely unnecessary. The MR is even more useless in the jungle.

The coding is nice though