Talon Build Guide : Supersaiyan Talon - The mightiest glass cannon of all time.

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Dislike that Skill Sequence, Rake is optimal, for, of course, Harassing people out of lane and your Cheat-Sheet is questionable, but, aside from taking odd little bits from Vapora's guide, given you linked it at the bottom of your guide anyway, and you credited him, so that's all cool.
You explain your Runes, Masteries and Cheat-Sheet well enough I guess, though I found the comments easier to find out about your Cheat-Sheet that wasn't a hindrance... But, you are not getting everything you could out of Talon like this, but it could work with tweaks. But you spend too long in combat with this current Build.
No Vote. For now. ~~
~ Reo.

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Wheres the Blood thirster? And why start doran blade when you can start Long Sword + 2 pots for faster brutalizer which will win you the lane?

The bloodthirster is non existent. I am going to look into some more after 3Radication pointed out the fact that you can only proc Trinity Force twice in the 3 seconds. However the blood thirster isn't required. You could replace the swiftness boots with a if you wish and this will increase your damage by 500 extra damage. However I myself put survivability over anything else.

Furthermore I don't really agree on the . I've seen it on a few builds but I really don't think it's useful on specifically being an assassin. It is perfect on bruisers but assassins... I'm not so sure. I did mention that you could start with long sword and 2 pots in the Starting Items section and use it to rush your ravanous hydra. I myself am unsure about this start still... However I am gradually starting to like it more and more.

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Err, I don't think that you can proc 3 trinity forces in 3 seconds, in case you don't know it has a 2 sec cool down and u may be able to proc 2 but not 3

Well that's a good point. You will still do a hefty amount of damage from the combo if you can get those 2 trinity force procs in the 3 seconds. Well even with only just one you will do around 2800 damage.
Though that is a wonderful point which I completely missed. I will put some thought into this and see if I can improve my combo. Thanks for pointing this out! =D

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Nope. This doesn't work. -1

Did you try it? And did you actually read the guide...? And which part doesn't work?

" grants you 100% crit chance. With an you are then Criting at 250% Damage + 5% from . 150% from . Now you're doing 405% damage. +25% from 's abilities and ultimately you are getting you to 430% damage finally +2% from . 432% damage from auto attacks. Generally at full build I have around 280 attack damage. 432% of 280 is 1210 AD. When you have 3 auto-attacks you have around 3630 damage being put onto the enemy. "

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With further consideration, I understand your combo. However, it just seems unnessisarily complex. It's more expensive than the "standard" Talon build, (I think, but am not certain since you didn't mark anything as a Core Build while building the guide) it gives less raw stats, and it doesn't function until it's up and running. That to me is the biggest issue. It's a really fancy combo, but I'd even argue that Talon is one of the champions that doesn't need (another) combo to be lethal as hell. If you've ever played card games such as MTG, it's exactly like a combo deck. Sure, it's a free win if you pull it off. But up until that point, other decks are much stronger to a game winning degree. I stand by my review, although I apologize for the way I put it.

Fair enough. With the SotD you at least get +200% extra damage. I'd say initial items should be Ravenous Hydra and SotD. Even with these 2 items alone you will do a huge amount of burst damage. Perhaps it is a fancier combo than usual but it works, as far as I'm aware. I also do understand that other simpler combos can often deal enough damage to kill an ADC for sure. However, I believe that this combo is the most damaging out of all combos I have come across so far.

In the end people play differently to other people. My way may be fancy and difficult to master however once it is mastered I believe that it is worth it =) But this is just my opinion. Thanks for the apology and thanks for stopping by never the less =)

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Wheres the Blood thirster? And why start doran blade when you can start Long Sword + 2 pots for faster brutalizer which will win you the lane?

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I myself would disagree. Sure gives a bit of armour pen, damage and cdr, Though grants you 100% crit chance. With an infinity edge you are then Criting at 250% Damage + 5% from . Then we add in trinity force. Now you're doing 405% damage. Add in talon's E and passive +25% Damage ultimately getting you to 430% damage finally +2% from . 432% auto attack. Generally at full build I have around 280 attack damage. 432% of 280 is 1210 AD. When you have 3 auto-attacks you have around 3630 damage being put onto the enemy.

Replacing sword of the divine would remove that 250% Garanteed damage. This is what we end up with 5% from , 150% from +25% from 's abilities + 2% . 182% Damage. 280+ = 310*182% = 564 Damage.

I know which one I'd suggest is more worth it. Though your post has influenced me to put a comparrison in the guide =) Thanks.

Err, I don't think that you can proc 3 trinity forces in 3 seconds, in case you don't know it has a 2 sec cool down and u may be able to proc 2 but not 3

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Nope. This doesn't work. -1

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With further consideration, I understand your combo. However, it just seems unnessisarily complex. It's more expensive than the "standard" Talon build, (I think, but am not certain since you didn't mark anything as a Core Build while building the guide) it gives less raw stats, and it doesn't function until it's up and running. That to me is the biggest issue. It's a really fancy combo, but I'd even argue that Talon is one of the champions that doesn't need (another) combo to be lethal as hell. If you've ever played card games such as MTG, it's exactly like a combo deck. Sure, it's a free win if you pull it off. But up until that point, other decks are much stronger to a game winning degree. I stand by my review, although I apologize for the way I put it.

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I'm too tired to pay attention. Stupid deadlydave

Tehehe =D No problem man =D Sent the message to Vapora and waiting for his response. If he replies with any discouragement I will remove them and attempt to write my own =).

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