Ranked Games

[quote=Scrax]I must agree on this. When I win, I gain around 15-20 ELO, when I lose.. I lose normally 40 ELO. Funny how I was climbing out of 1.3k, then *bam*, had to begin anew? Damn solo queue and it's crap players :D[/quote]

[quote=hypershatter][quote=TheWorldAsunder] [quote=hypershatter] k/d/a means nothing. my main has a k/d/a of 6:1 in ranked, u dont see me in 2000+ elo. better work on your other skills and start dying more. [/quote] I do think K/D/A should be accounted for as far as elo goes. I also think that the entry games (before you are ranked) should be weighted far less. Before I was ranked, I was required to play people who I'm not good with, (like singed.. all my tanks get banned in low elo except him, and nobody ever wants to tank.) Despite this, I kept a positive KDA with him, and lost those games. I finally get to play 2 games in a row of morgana (who I've been maining for a while now) and look: [img]http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/5241/kdaexample.png[/img] Lolwat. If I'm able to get scores like that, I probably shouldn't be playing with the people I'm playing with. (Enemy team as well as mine) Yet I barely raise in elo for these games :/ Performance should be somewhat weighted, even if not too heavily. The only problem I see is someone playing a tank and going 3/5/20 and losing elo for it. All they'd need to do is weight assists better. Yeah, I realize, I should be able to play more than one character. (I CAN!) but all the tanks I have unlocked get banned, and my team will force me into a tank role. :/ Sometimes I feel like I should just ignore them and lock in whoever I want. [/quote] congrats. u played 2 games with that character. try playing 100 see what ur k/d/a is.[/quote]

[quote=Visfarix][quote=Svingas] Ok I will first explain my most recent ranked game to display how much I honestly cannot do anything more to help my team. We were playing against nocturne, ashe, heimerdinger, amumu, and mordekaiser. My team was me as sivir, cho-gath, kassadin, morgana, and alistar. At the beginning I already knew it was bad news because I was pretty much the only ad. So I midded against ashe and he was alright, but we were pretty much even. I was consistently closer to my turret because they had a jungler and we didn't so I didn't want to get ganked. As the laning phase is starting to end, within about five to ten minutes ashe is now 15/0 and some number of assists. Our Cho-gath would consistently run up to attempt to kill turrets by himself when he couldn't even see where the enemy champions were on map. He ended with about 13 deaths I believe. Our Kassadin would use his ult to chase down fleeing low health champions right into the other team. And at one point when I was at the other side of the map defending our tower against two or three champions, the rest of my team decides to chase a practically full health and shielded Mordekaiser under and behind his turret. They killed him, but then all four die. What am I supposed to do at this point? I still get kills every once in a while, but there is no way to make up for a team like that when they get worse as the game progresses not better. Any time I tell a teammate to play more defensively or ask them to switch lanes when I am not mid-laning they respond with something along the lines of I'm not a chicken, but a different word in play of that. Apparently, I'm not a chicken means I want to give the opposing team more than five early kills. [/quote]That's one game. If you can show me that over 50% of all your ranked games are like this, then we can declare you to be a truly unlucky person and matchmaking hates you. You might want to consider duo-queuing then. [quote=Scrax]I must agree on this. When I win, I gain around 15-20 ELO, when I lose.. I lose normally 40 ELO. Funny how I was climbing out of 1.3k, then *bam*, had to begin anew? Damn solo queue and it's crap players :D [/quote]Weird. In all my ranked matches I gained more ELO per win than I would lose ELO per loss. Maybe ELO system matched you weirdly so that all your opponents had a lower ELO then you so if you won you got less ELO for beating "weaker" opponents and if you lost you lost more ELO for losing to "weaker" opponents. I dunno if that makes sense? I'm tired.[/quote]

[quote=Svingas][quote=Visfarix] That's one game. If you can show me that over 50% of all your ranked games are like this, then we can declare you to be a truly unlucky person and matchmaking hates you. You might want to consider duo-queuing then. [/quote] Well I cannot actually show you that all of my other games were like that because I do not have the memory to tell you what each of my teammates did and how they fed. But it's very easy for me to remember that in at least 75% of my games played as Sivir, at least 2 of the other players on my team had a record of 1/5 or worse by the end of the laning phase or even earlier. I have resigned myself to the opinion that matchmaking does hate me so I am probably going to just do duo-queuing at least for a while. The main point of this thread is to point out that the whole elo system just majorly stinks for those of us who have unlucky first games where people dc and then we get stuck in a downward spiral with feeders and our elo is then pretty much killed.[/quote]

[quote=Jvstm]I don't mind duo queueing with you if you play US, and tell me about what time you play.[/quote]

[quote=eXecute]Since this is a team game, it makes getting a higher ELO much harder. This is why most RTS games have 1v1 ladders, for those who want to find out who the best player is, without having to rely on teammates. Basically, you have to constantly carry your team if you want to achieve a high ELO.[/quote]

[quote=TheWorldAsunder][quote=hypershatter] congrats. u played 2 games with that character. try playing 100 see what ur k/d/a is. [/quote] I did preface it with: "I finally get to play 2 games with morgana and.." I'm consistently getting scores like this outside playing singed. Yet my elo gets consistently worse, because I can get some kind of super carry score and still lose. Why? Because I'm playing with people who don't understand what risks they are taking. They don't understand that they should counter things like Kat ult with a silence or a stun. They don't understand that they shouldn't be running off to steal a red buff when we are already down two, and fighting 5 at tower. That, or they don't speak english. And don't tell me, "You should tell them in chat," because I DO. I will tell people in character select, "Hey, they just picked mundo, we need an ignite" or "Hey, they've got kat, we need someone who can get her out of ult" and if they don't pick it anyway, I have to. If I'm not in the middle of doing something important like defending our mid inhib tower, I will type out, "Tryn, reb buff is a bad idea, we can't defend with Singed+LeBlanc only. I'm constantly telling people when they ping baron, "that's risky as hell." and they will do it anyway, to get caught in the middle or have it stolen. Saying something along the lines of, "get better," isn't going to help. Not when I have people buying things like lichbane + T.Force.[/quote]

[quote=mobrebel]Don't bash on Lich Bane or Trinity Force... rofl. Unless they are getting it on champions that it isn't good on. But, I understand what you mean by trying to tell them something and they won't listen. I hate trollers.....[/quote]

[quote=Xaioli]Oh ranked games, they're so fun. Just kidding. Tryhards everywhere. (I confess to being one) I got myself out of elo hell on my own, and duo queueing with a buddy is great for 1300+. Even though my elo decays/I lose some games, I never fall below 1350 :]. Mainly On Topic: To earn the right to play ranked games, Riot technically implemented it that requirement, but they failed (imo). Before you play games, you must be level 30. Also, to get your ELO, you must play 5~ games to get your elo. You will be placed in XXXX elo once you have placed those 5~ games depending on your Wins and Losses. That's a great way to sort people by skill level. However, a lot of good players decide to play ranked but get caught with a lot of bad players during the "ELO Finding" phase. That's something Riot has to fix, but tbh, I think what they've done is the best they can do.[/quote]

[quote=TheWorldAsunder][quote=mobrebel] Don't bash on Lich Bane or Trinity Force... rofl. Unless they are getting it on champions that it isn't good on. But, I understand what you mean by trying to tell them something and they won't listen. I hate trollers..... [/quote] Lich bane AND trinity force. They don't stack, yo.[/quote]