Tank dps...... All else fails

[quote=Joobieo#41288][quote=Searz] You can outplay a team of tanky DPS. Morde needs to farm and when he farms he pushes his lane and is very open to ganks. I think Rumble is kinda similar to Morde, but I haven't played against him yet. [/quote] Explain how you beat a Morde who is farming lol. Hes almost impossible to gank...[/quote]

[quote=Joobieo#41288][quote=Visfarix] Good postioning, proper itemization, and CC are still so much better than Tanky DPS. [/quote] I disagree. Say you take two teams of equal skill, one is CC based other is tanky dps, who will win more times than not ? Be honest.[/quote]

[quote=Searz]Impossible to gank? You so funny XD[/quote]

[quote=Rudmed]Well if one is CC based they can include a number of champion for example for the CC team you can have an Amumu or Shen. Who can taunt/Entangle multiple people. Then Cass, who can stun a number of people as well, while everyone can drop one or more people. While in the middle of that you have a Kat ult in the middle of it then you can just about destroy the other team.[/quote]

[quote=Visfarix]If Morde is farming he will be using skills, if he is using skills he will be pushing, if he is pushing he will be right at the edge of your tower. If you have a jungle and/or a roamer it will be very easy to gank morde(unless he is packing ghost and flash). Especially if you have some good CC on your team. Anyway Morde isn't even that strong of a champion. I can easily outfarm a morde with caitlyn or straight up beat Morde in a 1vs1 laning situation with anivia. In a fight of Tanky DPS vs team with crap load of CC I would say crap load of CC is going to win 80%. Only case where they wouldn't win is if Tanky DPS also has a crap load of CC, but in that case it's more Crapload of CC vs Crapload of CC.[/quote]

[quote=Joobieo#41288][quote=Visfarix] If Morde is farming he will be using skills, if he is using skills he will be pushing, if he is pushing he will be right at the edge of your tower. If you have a jungle and/or a roamer it will be very easy to gank morde(unless he is packing ghost and flash). Especially if you have some good CC on your team. Anyway Morde isn't even that strong of a champion. I can easily outfarm a morde with caitlyn or straight up beat Morde in a 1vs1 laning situation with anivia. In a fight of Tanky DPS vs team with crap load of CC I would say crap load of CC is going to win 80%. Only case where they wouldn't win is if Tanky DPS also has a crap load of CC, but in that case it's more Crapload of CC vs Crapload of CC. [/quote] In a team fight where everyone is fighting all at once tanky dps wins. In a team fight where your focus firing one at a time that's a different story but how often do fights like that happen ?[/quote]

[quote=JunSupport]I personally think Havoc needs a buff. It only scales with Burst damage, making the offensive mastery tree inferior to the defensive tree. It should scale with total attack/ability power. This would naturally make building damage more effective.[/quote]

[quote=Lazukin]So stubborn >_< You win the teamfights late game because you win the solo fights early game. Tanky-DPS is only invincible or whatever you call it if they get fed or farmed. If you don't let that happen, have fun winning. Also. Madred's Bloodrazor (or just Kog'Maw)[/quote]

[quote=JunSupport][quote=Visfarix] If Morde is farming he will be using skills, if he is using skills he will be pushing, if he is pushing he will be right at the edge of your tower. If you have a jungle and/or a roamer it will be very easy to gank morde(unless he is packing ghost and flash). Especially if you have some good CC on your team. Anyway Morde isn't even that strong of a champion. I can easily outfarm a morde with caitlyn or straight up beat Morde in a 1vs1 laning situation with anivia.[/quote] False slippery slope analysis. A good mordekaiser will clear your minions, then back off. Early on, he'll be patient because he's low level, and let your wave push the lane. Naturally, around level4~5 he can counter push without problems. Your jungler and roamer isn't worth squat. Especially if his team has a jungler and roamer. Then you're screwed. Also, Caitlyn is a direct counter to Mordekaiser do to her amazing lane control with a big AA-range, long range skill shot, and rooting traps that limit enemy movement. Other champions don't technically fair so well.[/quote]

[quote=Visfarix][quote=Joobieo] In a team fight where everyone is fighting all at once tanky dps wins. In a team fight where your focus firing one at a time that's a different story but how often do fights like that happen ? [/quote]In solo queue, where almost everyone is disorganized and pretty much fighting on their own, I can see this happening. Verse a well organized team where people understand positioning and communicate well(and the teams are even in terms of gold and items), Tanky DPS will lose 90% of the time. Do you watch high ELO streamers and tournament streams? How often do you see teams that only use Tanky DPS comps winning tournaments? [quote=JunSupport]False slippery slope analysis. A good mordekaiser will clear your minions, then back off. Early on, he'll be patient because he's low level, and let your wave push the lane. Naturally, around level4~5 he can counter push without problems. Your jungler and roamer isn't worth squat. Especially if his team has a jungler and roamer. Then you're screwed. Also, Caitlyn is a direct counter to Mordekaiser do to her amazing lane control with a big AA-range, long range skill shot, and rooting traps that limit enemy movement. Other champions don't technically fair so well. [/quote]Interesting. Now this is mostly from personal experience, but this means that I no longer play against good Mordekaisers because every Morde I directly lane against sucks. I remember pre-nerf Mordes would win laning phase against me in mid pretty much 100% of the time regardless of who I played(unless they were terrible). Now it's almost the exact opposite and I win against any morde daring enough to go mid and against most at top lane. Does this mean most of the good Mordes no longer play Mordekaiser? I wonder why they stopped?[/quote]