MOBAFire Lend me your Wisdom! ~Comprehensive...

[quote=Beeswarm17][quote=Virtus] Honestly, that is my main problem against a Gragas [{ <-- is this supposed to be Zilean? }]. His double bombs do 290 damage when he is level 3 can't be countered because the skill is applied instantaneously and has good range. He is squishy but then again so are all AP carries but he is better off due to his ult. He does fall off late game but if you can end the game before he falls off he is gold (Reginald and his Zilean a demonstration of this). [/quote] Brackets. Is that the right name?[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=Nighthawk] @ Searz Nasus actually is a bit of a soft counter to most melees, especially Tryn. :c[/quote] Yea, exactly. I dunno where we draw the line in this thread tho.[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=Virtus] Anivia counters Annie because she has a greater range (skills) than Annie and has normal attacks with range comparable to Annie (laning phase factor). Brand does pretty well (better than other AP carries) against top-lane bruisers due to his passive and spaminess. Cassiopia early game forces people to path very randomly and therefore miss CS or take lots of damage from Q. This can deny CS and therefore she counters champions who rely on farm (Jax, Anivia, Irelia, etc.). Ryze counters many top lane bruisers because he has high sustained damage while also being beefy. Malzahar can go toe-to-toe with Gragas because he can push as hard as Gragas can while maintaining his mana, while also countering Gragas's natural tankiness with Null Zone. LeBlanc counters AP carries in mid except for Kassadin (bad experiences there) due to her huge burst combined with a silence+burst on low CD with Q. Honestly I don't really think Morgana is a counter to AP carries. She can negate some of their damage, but sustained AP carries do alright against her (Brand, Ryze, Vladimir). Vladimir along with his pool can escape from the wrath of many AP carries with non-instantaneous skills (Brand, Annie, Anivia, Karthus ult) and sustains himself well in lane versus heavy harrasment (Katarina, Rumble, Karthus) Early-Mid game Zilean can rape everyone's health with double bombs so can counter other AP carries mid.[/quote] Wow.. Pretty much all this is wrong.. [quote]Kog'maw counters Tanky DPS due to his W and with a Madred's Bloodrazor.[/quote] No, but he's good against champions with a lot of HP (obviously). [quote]Olaf counters Alistar because he does true damage (aka he can kill Alistar during Alistar's ult and Olaf's ult makes him invulnerable to CC). [Irelia with maxed Hiten style can also penetrate Alistar ult very well]. However, I really wouldn't pick Olaf just as because the other team had Alistar.[/quote] Anyone with true damage is good against Alistar. I think Vayne is the only real counter to Alistar's ult. [quote]Kassadin counters AP carries (long-range low CD silence nuke+blink ability to avoid damage). [/quote] He counters SOME AP casters, but far from all..[/quote]

[quote=Nighthawk][quote=Virtus] [quote=Nighthawk] Err what? Tryn kinda counters Karthus's ult, Malz doesn't really counter Gragas since he's tanky and is tanky with his damage reduc, doesn't really need to build tanky to be tanky. Zilean doesn't rape anyone's hp with double bombs as I see it, his damage is nice but he's so squishy and his damage still isn't as nice as a true AP carry. [/quote=Nighthawk] Should have been more specific with the first one: Karthus can catch Tryndamere easily after Tryn escapes with ult. Its pretty much the reason I play Karthus at all. For Gragas he naturally has more health than most other AP carries, and I was thinking more along the lines of Gragas can pretty much destroy a creep wave with a Q+E after even a decently leveled Q, which can make opponents lose farm to the tower. Malzahar can counter push this better than other carries because he has mana regen with E, countering Gragas mana regen. Honestly, that is my main problem against a Gragas. His double bombs do 290 damage when he is level 3 can't be countered because the skill is applied instantaneously and has good range. He is squishy but then again so are all AP carries but he is better off due to his ult. He does fall off late game but if you can end the game before he falls off he is gold (Reginald and his Zilean a demonstration of this). [/quote] All I hear when I read this post is "buy QSS/hexdrinker"[/quote]

[quote=XamuraiShogun]I would too but please keep this post about Champion counters not items ;p Thanks XamuraiShogun [quote=Nighthawk] All I hear when I read this post is "buy QSS/hexdrinker" [/quote][/quote]

[quote=XamuraiShogun]Hey Summoners! There are alot of unsettled ground and such champions that aren`t getting the shed of light they need. Searz, You seem to know alot about countering and have some conflicts with other people about thier choices, care to elaborate? I will be making a rough draft soon for download so you can see the progress we are making. I need more insight and I need MOAR. Thanks XamuraiShogun[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=XamuraiShogun] Searz, You seem to know alot about countering and have some conflicts with other people about thier choices, care to elaborate?[/quote] The conflicts with other people here are mostly because they're wrong or they think something counters something better than it actually does. It's usually because they're bad/inexperienced. (no offense to those guys tho) I'm just a smart 1500elo guy who is aiming higher (and I'm 100% sure I can do it if I play more) and I make sure to remember the things I hear from good players. I'll go through the list quickly later and see if I can contribute some. I think Evil Dice could provide us with a lot of good info too.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Olaf counters the entire meta game right now trolooloolo[/quote]

[quote=XamuraiShogun]MetaGame chaanges in LoL do contribute to some of the counters in champions But I still don`t see Olaf outshining alot of the other champs, Enlighten me Oh Dufftime,[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Hard to explain. Tanky DPS that can't be CC'd is scary in a meta game with squishy Carries and AoE CC.[/quote]